Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

[A W Smith]

Projected position. Ok, but for how many seconds? Hardly projected position from a whole hour into the past.

WTF are you talking about? "from a whole hour"? Are you a complete moron? You have no idea how flight explorer works, do you? flight explorer is not "radar data", it is the projection of where the flight theoretically SHOULD be given the last known radar return. You will need to show us a radar return and not a projection from flight explorer showing flight 175 BEYOND its impact location at the south tower, or concede you have no evidence of a continued flight.

What about the witnesses who watched both planes fly into the towers live?

You know what I think? I think you're a troll just jerking yourself off. Don't you get tired of being wrong your entire life? Don't you find it frustrating struggling through life making one bad decision after another? You are quite the study in abberent behavior. Im not here to try to convince you. Im here to expose you as the fool that you are and push your buttons. You are my entertainment during the slow times of my day. Its like channel surfing for cock ups.

All your god of the gaps logical fallacies have been exposed. All you have is incredulity, No evidence of any theory you propose. Not one. Just idle conjecture from a disturbed individual. Every single one of your talking points has been debunked years ago.

The engine that you claim was planted and explosively launched from the towers shows how disturbed and illogical you are. Any one can see from the scores of private videos how it followed the flight course of the aircraft and plummeted to the ground blocks north of the south tower, NO explosive can do that without blowing the entire top of the tower off.

 

[Anders Lindman]

WTF are you talking about? "from a whole hour"? Are you a complete moron? You have no idea how flight explorer works, do you? flight explorer is not "radar data", it is the projection of where the flight theoretically SHOULD be given the last known radar return. You will need to show us a radar return and not a projection from flight explorer showing flight 175 BEYOND its impact location at the south tower, or concede you have no evidence of a continued flight.

What about the witnesses who watched both planes fly into the towers live?

You know what I think? I think you're a troll just jerking yourself off. Don't you get tired of being wrong your entire life? Don't you find it frustrating struggling through life making one bad decision after another? You are quite the study in abberent behavior. Im not here to try to convince you. Im here to expose you as the fool that you are and push your buttons. You are my entertainment during the slow times of my day. Its like channel surfing for cock ups.

All your god of the gaps logical fallacies have been exposed. All you have is incredulity, No evidence of any theory you propose. Not one. Just idle conjecture from a disturbed individual. Every single one of your talking points has been debunked years ago.

The engine that you claim was planted and explosively launched from the towers shows how disturbed and illogical you are. Any one can see from the scores of private videos how it followed the flight course of the aircraft and plummeted to the ground blocks north of the south tower, NO explosive can do that without blowing the entire top of the tower off.

So, how often do you say Flight Explorer updates the positions of the planes? Surely the positions must be updated at least once a minute. Otherwise the program would totally suck.

No explosives being able to shoot out the jet engine and the landing gear without blowing off the top of the tower? I think you are mistaken here. Put a hefty chunk of dynamite behind the jet engine and you have a formidable cannon. Seriously! With most of the explosive power going sideways into the already exploding fireball of kerosene.

 

[TJM]

So, how often do you say Flight Explorer updates the positions of the planes? Surely the positions must be updated at least once a minute. Otherwise the program would totally suck.

No explosives being able to shoot out the jet engine and the landing gear without blowing off the top of the tower? I think you are mistaken here. Put a hefty chunk of dynamite behind the jet engine and you have a formidable cannon. Seriously! With most of the explosive power going sideways into the already exploding fireball of kerosene.

Anders, I believe A W Smith also said something about eyewitnesses. Care to explain them away?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Anders, I believe A W Smith also said something about eyewitnesses. Care to explain them away?

Many of the witnesses I believe say they saw a plane when in fact they didn't. Why? Because if they tell their family members and friends that they didn't see any plane, then people will think of them as being completely crazy because 'everybody' saw a plane fly into the WTC tower on CNN.

 

[Sunstealer]

SNo explosives being able to shoot out the jet engine and the landing gear without blowing off the top of the tower? I think you are mistaken here. Put a hefty chunk of dynamite behind the jet engine and you have a formidable cannon. Seriously! With most of the explosive power going sideways into the already exploding fireball of kerosene.

I thought this was a magic show not a clown show.

So now you are saying that the average magician's budget will stretch to a "jet engine cannon" powered with dynamite? Have you any ideaYou obviously have no idea how heavy the core and turbine sections of an engine are. Nickel based super alloys are very heavy. A PW4062 weighs 9,570 pounds (4,341 kg).

To transport one you need one of these

I think you are just trolling, no-one can be stupid enough to seriously suggest dynamite cannons for flinging atleast a tonne of metal about in order to plant evidence. Thanks for the lulz.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I thought this was a magic show not a clown show.

So now you are saying that the average magician's budget will stretch to a "jet engine cannon" powered with dynamite? Have you any ideaYou obviously have no idea how heavy the core and turbine sections of an engine are. Nickel based super alloys are very heavy. A PW4062 weighs 9,570 pounds (4,341 kg).

To transport one you need one of these

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?pictureid=4314&albumid=181&dl=1297700169&thumb=1[/qimg]

I think you are just trolling, no-one can be stupid enough to seriously suggest dynamite cannons for flinging atleast a tonne of metal about in order to plant evidence. Thanks for the lulz.

Not the entire jet engine. Only this relatively puny part: http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPhofDq1w2Yah9jjpWK3rcYQUcZshIlsblNGk6xvGvDp3xrWq5&t=1

 

[Anders Lindman]

I found some discussions about the jet engine on another forum: http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/2393287/1/

One interesting comment that I noticed was:

"Is this part of the engine? The NYS Museum doesn't know. See http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/wtc/recovery/aircraft.html

[Image of engine part:] http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/NYSMuseum_aircraft_part.jpg "



Unknown Airline Piece, the New York State Museum says. What the heck?!! Haven't the experts investigating the 9/11 attack even been able to identify a simple engine part? Sounds extremely suspect to me.

 

[twinstead]

LOL

 

[newton3376]

Not the airline but it could be a good idea to send an e-mail to some U.S. agency responsible for the 911 investigation and ask them directly. I need to do some more searches on the web first. I may have missed it.

Wait a second....

Aren't those "U.S. Agencies" involved in the conspiracy?

I don't get it....

When there ARE experts in relevant fields that comment truthers don't believe or trust them.

When there IS an "official" statement from anyone even loosely associated with the government (not even IN the government) truthers don't believe or trust them.

And now the fact that there is NOT an explicit official statement from some "U.S. Agency" on a specific detail is evidence of a conspiracy?

I'm just a tad bit confused.....

 

[Sunstealer]

I found some discussions about the jet engine on another forum: http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/2393287/1/

One interesting comment that I noticed was:

"Is this part of the engine? The NYS Museum doesn't know. See http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/wtc/recovery/aircraft.html

[Image of engine part:] http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu347/911conspiracytv/NYSMuseum_aircraft_part.jpg "



Unknown Airline Piece, the New York State Museum says. What the heck?!! Haven't the experts investigating the 9/11 attack even been able to identify a simple engine part? Sounds extremely suspect to me.

I have already seen that. Interesting to see that they are discussing HPC disks which mainly use dovetail roots and are trying to count blade numbers from some disks which clearly have fir-tree roots indicating that they are HPTs.

The only thing of note is the HPT 1 cooling duct assy, however, what's needed is a PW4062 comparison.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Wait a second....

Aren't those "U.S. Agencies" involved in the conspiracy?

I don't get it....

When there ARE experts in relevant fields that comment truthers don't believe or trust them.

When there IS an "official" statement from anyone even loosely associated with the government (not even IN the government) truthers don't believe or trust them.

And now the fact that there is NOT an explicit official statement from some "U.S. Agency" on a specific detail is evidence of a conspiracy?

I'm just a tad bit confused.....

I have posted a lot about that in other threads but not described much of it in this thread. The U.S. agencies are in my opinion NOT a part of the initial 9/11 attack BUT they, and big media companies and others in positions of power, were FORCED to start a massive cover-up after the initial attack. Because to tell the truth after the whole world had seen planes crashing into the towers on television was simply not possible without risking having the whole nation (and perhaps even the rest of the world) collapse socially and economically.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Many of the witnesses I believe say they saw a plane when in fact they didn't. Why? Because if they tell their family members and friends that they didn't see any plane, then people will think of them as being completely crazy because 'everybody' saw a plane fly into the WTC tower on CNN.

ROTFLOL, lots of people on the ground did not see the second jet as they were looking at the wrong tower.......but many did and reported it. You theory is just silly as all they would say is "I missed the second jet" or "I didn't see it" and no one would think twice about it.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I have posted a lot about that in other threads but not described much of it in this thread. The U.S. agencies are in my opinion NOT a part of the initial 9/11 attack BUT they, and big media companies and others in positions of power, were FORCED to start a massive cover-up after the initial attack. Because to tell the truth after the whole world had seen planes crashing into the towers on television was simply not possible without risking having the whole nation (and perhaps even the rest of the world) collapse socially and economically.

Today it may be safe to start to reveal parts of the cover-up (although even that is a bit doubtful), but during the time back in 2001 when the entire U.S. was completely traumatized it would not have been possible in practice to reveal the truth. (Da Twoof! )

 

[Anders Lindman]

ROTFLOL, lots of people on the ground did not see the second jet as they were looking at the wrong tower.......but many did and reported it. You theory is just silly as all they would say is "I missed the second jet" or "I didn't see it" and no one would think twice about it.

Show me some direct eyewitness report about a plane hitting one of the WTC towers and I will take a look at it (and expose the false testimony).

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I have posted a lot about that in other threads but not described much of it in this thread. The U.S. agencies are in my opinion NOT a part of the initial 9/11 attack BUT they, and big media companies and others in positions of power, were FORCED to start a massive cover-up after the initial attack. Because to tell the truth after the whole world had seen planes crashing into the towers on television was simply not possible without risking having the whole nation (and perhaps even the rest of the world) collapse socially and economically.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Show me some direct eyewitness report about a plane hitting one of the WTC towers and I will take a look at it (and expose the false testimony).

use the search function.......but for starters, The team that filmed the first plane (the Naudet brothers) and the Firemen who were with them. Are they all liars?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Today it may be safe to start to reveal parts of the cover-up (although even that is a bit doubtful), but during the time back in 2001 when the entire U.S. was completely traumatized it would not have been possible in practice to reveal the truth. (Da Twoof! )

Where is your evidence that any of what you say is true?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Where is your evidence that any of what you say is true?

Jet engine of wrong type found near Ground Zero.

 

[alienentity]

Show me some direct eyewitness report about a plane hitting one of the WTC towers and I will take a look at it (and expose the false testimony).

'83rd floor: saw plane from 3-4 miles out, describes approach until impact, firefighters made it up to the 83rd floor?
My name is Jeff Benjamin and I was visiting a client, Axcelera Specialty Risk, on the 83rd floor of the North Tower when we observed an approaching aircraft (American Airlines Flt.11)from a distance of aprox. 3-4 miles. At the time we initially spotted the plane, it appeared to be level with us. We could distinctly identify the American airlines insignia and my client commented that perhaps the plane had taken off from Kennedy and was experiencing mechanical problems. As the plane approached us it seemed to climb. I stood up from the conference table and walked over to the window assuming as everyone did that there was no imminent danger. As the plane came closer we could see that it was traveling at a high rate of speed and the sound of the engines intensified. Immediately before impact we could see images in the cockpit and the plane banked sharply. A split second later we heard an echoing shot, fell to the floor and observed a fireball followed by debris which struck the side of the building. At the same time you could feel the building sway every so slightly for a brief moment. We immediately retreated towards the main part of the office where we noticed a huge fireball shooting out of the elevator shaft which quickly disappeared'

'Jeff Benjamin of Manchester, N.H., was visiting clients on the 83rd floor of the World Trade Center when he saw the plane heading straight into the building.

"It slammed into the window," Benjamin said. "Debris spilled. I don't know how we got out of the there alive. All the lights went out. We walked down the flight of stairs." http://www.staugustine.com/stories/091101/ter_012.shtml'

http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethenorthtower%3Awitnessaccounts91-60

 

[tsig]

Do you think David Copperfield could get hold of real black boxes and program them with the correct flight data and voice recording? The perpetrators had not much more resources available to them than an ordinary stage magician is my guess.

My theory is that the initial 9/11 attack didn't require much resources except access to a Media Control Center in NYC where they could insert crude 2D graphics silhouettes of an airliner for a few seconds into the live (delayed only about 5 seconds to allow for the synchronization of the inserted computer graphics) video feeds from the 5 major television networks, plus access to say two floors in each WTC tower for planting explosives and kerosene for the fireball explosions together with tons of Thermite on at least one floor in each building (floor 83 in the South Tower if I remember correctly) and explosives mounted on the facade to create the 'cookie cutter' shapes of planes. And lots of explosives under the basements of the towers to emulate a severe earthquake to bring the buildings down (the WTC towers were designed to pancake like they did for safety reasons). The attack on the Pentagon and the alleged crash near Shanksville could have been separate events.

I didn't know stage magicians were also explosive experts. How many people do you think it took to pack in those tons of thermite plus install explosives on the facade all without the security forces or the maintenance staff noticing?

All this and they couldn't get the right engine?