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Afrocentric history...anything to this?

"Afrocentric History" - PFAH!!! Nothing more than lame attempts to re-write history co-opted from others.

"Black History Month" in the United States is the shortest month on the calendar. A list of scientific achievements made by Africans on the African continent would be very short.

Coincidence?
 
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"Afrocentric History" - PFAH!!! Nothing more than lame attempts to re-write history co-opted from others.

"Black History Month" in the United States is the shortest month on the calendar. A list of scientific achievements made by Africans on the African continent would be very short.

Coincidence?

St. Augustine was half black. It's on Wikipedia and everything.
 
And also because Greece and Romans were literate cultures, which means they can actually be studied from a historical perspective. The start of "history" of the British Isles actually starts with the Roman invasion; our only primary sources for the historical study of the Celts are Roman sources such as Tacitus.

Even if you broaden history, technically defined as "the study of the documented past," to include archeology, there's still several zillion times more artifacts of the Greeks and Romans than of the Celts and Germans. Name a major Irish city of 300 BCE, and I'll name a dozen of Greece.

True. But surely just a mention of what was going on, gleaned from Roman accounts, would be expected I think.
 
Rest assured that, say, Julius Civilis and the Batavians get a honoourable mention in Dutch history classes. :) But of course, as DrKitten already pointed out, there's a much bigger body of knowledge about the Romans than about the Germanic tribes. But I wouldn't expect an American highschool history curriculum to mention Civilis.

I'm an American who went to high school from 97-01 and have never heard of either of those two people. Your expectations are correct.

there's just far too much history to cover all, so you must restrict yourself to the "relevant" bits. And in that respect, yes, the Romans are relevant from a Dutch perspective, the Bantu expansion not.

Agreed. The point of history class for children is giving them a sense of how they got where they are culturally. In a western culture, that means understanding the origins and history of Europe and the Middle East to a much greater extent than other places, even if your own personal ethnic roots are in those areas.
 
"Afrocentric History" - PFAH!!! Nothing more than lame attempts to re-write history co-opted from others.

"Black History Month" in the United States is the shortest month on the calendar. A list of scientific achievements made by Africans on the African continent would be very short.

Coincidence?

‘Number of scientific achievements made’ being, of course, the single absolute and objective measure of cultural worth.
 
The real pity is that actual African history is interesting, but the people who have axes to grind about modern perceptions aren't concerned with what actually happened there.
 
What? It says no such thing. He was probably at least part Berber, but despite having a relatively dark complexion they're not what one would typically identify as "black".

I think one could reasonably classify Augustine as black today because of the one drop rule. Many prominent Egyptians were black at certain times and Nubia/Cush was a black civilization that made numerous contributions to society.
In the Biblical erotica Song of Songs(that's what they call pornography when it's from the Bible), a wife or concubine of Solomon writes that she is black. Some people take this to mean 'swarthy', but she mentions it when she also mentions Moses having a "Cushite", or Sudanese wife.
 
Okay, I'll bite...

How interesting is it?


Interest is a matter of taste. I like ancient history best, so I like Meroe and stuff. But I also like the Songhai Empire. And although it's stupid to take sides in historical conflicts, I can't help but like Ethiopia for kicking serious European ass when they tried pulling their usual conqueror crap.

The thing that strikes me the most about African history (and actually, all history in general) is that it seems to be taught in pieces. One place at a time, I mean, is what you learn. That gives the impression that all these cultures and civilizations existed in isolation and didn't interact with each other. But in reality there were enormous amounts of commerce (in both senses of the word) between everybody at all times. Everybody knew their neighbors, so while England might not have known much about Songhai, they knew about Spain, and Spain knew the Moors, and the Moors knew the Songhai. Which makes it funny when people "discover" each other when they've basically been living two doors down for centuries.
 
As I recall, much of this nonsense was started up by well-meaning individuals who wanted to lift the self-esteem of young Black children. The idea was to aggrandize their "heritage"... As it were.
However, the folks involved rapidly got carried away with ridiculous assumptions much in the manner of Von Danniken.
I recall one bit... In one of the Egyptian tombs a small bird-sculpture was found. This rapidly became a "glider", and there was even a children's book published showing "black" Egyptians flying around on hang-gliders....

Yeah, I remember seeing one of these idiots on TV about 10 or so years ago, claiming that black Africans knew how to fly thousands of years before the Wright Brothers, but somehow forgot, or something.
 
Yeah, I remember seeing one of these idiots on TV about 10 or so years ago, claiming that black Africans knew how to fly thousands of years before the Wright Brothers, but somehow forgot, or something.

I would have thought forgetting flight would be a much worse condemnation to levy at a people than not inventing flight to begin with.
 
do you know if most of sub Saharan Africa was primarily made of fairly isolated hunter gatherer societies prior to European colonization?
It was not. The Khoi-San have apparently always been hunter-gatherers, and their territory, particularly to the south, was larger back then, but in the east (Burundi, Rwanda, Kenya) cattle-herding was pretty standard, and in the kingdom of Congo (which extended south into Angola at the time), most of the landscape was farmed (although not all at once because they would deliberately leave some fields fallow for several years at a time), the people lived in villages which were part of a wide multi-layered net of social connections organized in a structure the Portuguese recognized as feudal, and there were a few population centers that could be called cities (although without huge stone monument construction). Of course, that leaves some of the region you asked about that I can't account for, but even just the limited examples I am able to give still cover probably at least a third or close to half of the region.

Also, the general reason that's given for why black people were able to expand and overrun whoever else was there first was because black people had food production (which includes plant farming and domesticated animal herding), which gave them several competetive or military advantages over hunter-gatherers, including greater population density, more reliable food supply, and iron weapons & tools. So, by the time whites got there, food production was certainly a part of the heritage that had been brought from the Niger-Congo-Bantu homeland when they expanded and migrated to dominate most of the land. So it's safe to say that, if any of them ended up not doing it in any particular little places I don't know about, it's because they had it before and then switched back only after arriving in particular places where they found out food production wouldn't work very well.

European and American children were taught a narrative that emphasized the progress of the 'white' races, and deemphasized the progress of the nonwhite races. It's a set of true facts, but it's a selected set... Afrocentric history also fails on this point... biased in the opposite direction. It is no more true, possibly less in that some of the folks looking for evidence to support it have used a very low standard of evidence
There's a problem with calling it "Afrocentric". If you just look at the parts the word is built from, it means centered on Africa. That would be fine. I expect French history lessons to be centered on France, Japanese history lessons to be centered on Japan, and so on. That's as it should be. But the kind of stuff that's described in the OP here is not just centered on Africa; it's also lying. Lies are not a matter of where something is centered, and going along with a label for them that deliberately makes it sound as if they were only helps the liar.
 
I would have thought forgetting flight would be a much worse condemnation to levy at a people than not inventing flight to begin with.

No, because forgetting flight is a legacy of colonialism, and therefore White People's Fault. When your culture gets overthrown or subjugated, a lot gets lost.

The whole point of the Rennaissance, for example, is the rediscovery of a lot of stuff that was known quite well to classical Romans.
 

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