Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[AlaskaBushPilot]

One thing that has puzzled me about the 1951 Shipton Expedition is the (Yeti) trackway photo. These tracks look like giant ox hooves or dinosaur but they are forwarded as "Yeti tracks". Another photo shows a close-up of a track and it looks nothing like the ones in the trackway.

Has anyone said anything about the absurdly obvious differences and that the single-file trackway doesn't even look hominoid, let alone primate?


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That's pretty weird.

In a situation of terrain and snow like that a trackway can get pretty distorted by the sunshine melting the track.

Check the black rocks and how the snow around them has melted. You can guage the age of tracks by looking around to see how much distortion they have relative to the things you know are going to really heat up like those rocks.

When the snow is compressed it absorbs the sun better. If they're packed down to where the sun can radiate off the ground a little bit then the prints are going to get really big and look nothing like the originals.

But the picture with the climbing axe is very new by comparison. Kind of a C+ fake print on the scale from extremely stupid to 8th grade level foot-carving (the latter being the highest award level known to date).

 

[LTC8K6]

Michael Ward later said, “the photo of a trail was unrelated to the close-ups of a single print,” and claimed it was taken earlier the same day “and was probably the trail of a mountain goat.” Ward insisted that the confusion arose because these negatives of the trail and the footprint were filed together. Shipton, however, made no mention of there being two tracks. Many thought it was a practical joke–Shipton reshaping the print of a goat to give it toes.

http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/the-shipton-snowman/

 

[LTC8K6]

If the good track really was one track from a trackway, why didn't Shipton and Ward photograph more tracks, or at least take a photo of at least part of the trackway? Actually, the photo has often been reproduced together with a photo depicting a trackway (e.g., Heuvelmans 1995), the implication being that this trackway consisted of a whole string of tracks identical to the good one. But no, the tracks in the photo are amorphous and rounded (not subrectangular and with digit impressions), and were clearly not produced by a bipedal primate. Meldrum (2006) noted that the tracks were produced by a quadruped, and Eberhart (2002) stated that 'Shipton and Ward are said to have later admitted that the trail had nothing to do with the photographed Yeti print and may have been made by an Ibex (Capra ibex) or Himalayan tahr (Hemitragus jemlahicus)' (p. 611). So I conclude that the famous, iconic image is a fake. There are indications that others have thought so too: Edmund Hillary apparently 'chalked Shipton's tracks up to a runaway practical joke' (Meldrum 2006, p. 37).

http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/06/most_famous_yeti_track.php

 

[DennyT]

Wouldn't it be awesome if there are some hoaxers in the bunch, or coming in to hoax them?

If the Animal Planet producers are anything like MonsterQuest there will be rocks lobbed at searchers.

Apparently no Bigfoot was found. Moneymaker was there and had the searchers at arms length so very little ground could have been covered. Nothing like having an expert on the case. Any hunter could have made a better plan . They did find hair so i'm sure that will turn into an unknown primate. This was the area where Michael Greene the thermal imager recorded the zagnut candy bar grabbing primate.

 

[FuriousGeorge]

Apparently no Bigfoot was found. Moneymaker was there and had the searchers at arms length so very little ground could have been covered. Nothing like having an expert on the case. Any hunter could have made a better plan . They did find hair so i'm sure that will turn into an unknown primate. This was the area where Michael Greene the thermal imager recorded the zagnut candy bar grabbing primate.

The part I bolded is a bigger mystery to me than bigfoot. I'm sure it's been discussed may times (judging by your well put relaxed verbiage) but I've never thought about it until now. What kind of magical cult leader type powers does this guy have? My boss is the same way but his production rate is not at 0%. As soon as my boss's production dips below 90%, he's outta there. This guy is only middle management acting as head honcho. Why hasn't there been an overthrow from above or below? Is it a glutton for punishment thing? This guy should run for president of the world. I don't know him and sorry if I judged him incorrectly but I've never heard anyone outside of the organization defend him. It just seems to me like he is pulling an L Ron Hubbard.

 

[kitakaze]

From 4:00...



Just watch him go, man. Just watch him go.

 

[FuriousGeorge]

Lol good stuff. I guess I didn't judge him incorrectly. I've avoided acknowledging anything about this guy because of his bad rep. I would have lasted less than a minute in that car before I snapped. He didn't even buy the beer.


....... man, Saget was quick with that c-block line.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

That was pretty interesting.

What would you do if you were just off the road and saw food littered like that? It would obviouosly not be a food stash. That's the very last thing you would do if you were actually storing food, even for a very short time. You'd be putting it up out of the reach of animals.

It isn't someone's camp. No cars parked nearby. It isn't a picnic. It is illegal to bait animals in a lot of places.

I'd think a lot of people would clean it up.

Seems to me there's something missing though: A couple of big fatties. Bob Marley spleefs to round out the offering.

 

[xblade]

As far as intelligence compared to other animals, it's theororized that they would indeed be 'smarter' than typical large animals (including primates sans humans). It's extremely difficult to see wildlife in the wild. They're wired to run and/or hide at the first indication of something 'out of the ordinary'. I would think, that, if BF existed, it would know that someone is coming long before that someone would have a glimpse.....

Unless that someone is clip clopping loudly through a canyon on horseback.

Originally Posted by Cotter View Post
Basically, I've spoken with people I trust with my life, have never had any reason to doubt their honesty or sincerity in all of life's other facets. So what would cause this singular breakdown of honesty?

I discovered by accident 2 years ago that one of my friends is a registered sex offender. He never told me, and has no idea I know. He has no reason to doubt my honesty and sincerity, nor me his until that point, yet we've both in effect been lying to each other about it.

Once my mom found two joints in the glove compartment of my car. I looked her right in the eyes and told her they weren't mine, and that a friend had left them in the car. She believed me, and forbade me from ever hanging out with the guy again.

Another friend got divorced recently. Why? Because his wife was cheating on him with his brother. He had no clue until she was fired from her job for failing a drug test. Turns out she was not only sleeping with the brother, she was smoking crack with him too. The husband had no clue. He thought she was going to the grocery store, or shopping with a girl friend, or pulling an extra shift at the hospital.

People lie. Just because you think someone is honest doesn't mean they are.

 

[xblade]

But yeah, the skull/bones evidence (lack thereof) is one I cannot readily explain.

Sure you can. You just don't like the most probable explanation.

By the way, here's a vid that discredits the argument used by many bigfooters, including scientist Dr. Meldrum, that no one ever finds bones of animals.

But I do know the rarity of finding a carcass or skull of a Whitetail deer is considerable (maybe 4 skulls my entire life). And taking into consideration there are 43 deer per square mile (DNR estimated) in the area I hunt, this puts the probability of finding a BF skull or carcass very very small. (Population density, range of the creature, as well as intelligence (how smart do the 'experts' claim these things are? 10 year old human?)).

10 year old human? How can these creatures be so much smarter than man if they only have the intelligence of a 10 year old human?

 

[Crazyfish]

Much ado about greenz thermal cartoon.
Good money in myths. BatBoy is proof of that.
I wish I had thought of them first..

 

[HarryHenderson]

Much ado about greenz thermal cartoon.
Good money in myths. BatBoy is proof of that.
I wish I had thought of them first..

I wish you had thought of your post first. Me thinks your feeble attempt at humor wisdom insight regret cutesy-ness, lacks humor wisdom insight regret both the cutesy and the ness. You've been reading too many inane JREF Prog Pinko Shut-in™ threads in Politics and CE huh! I mean, we know you've not been reading this thread.

 

[DennyT]

Bigfoot is adopting Mafia methods in NC:

What the film crews did document was a find of a deer with an unusual break in its front leg which could point to the hunting methods of Bigfoot.
“We find a lot of deer carcasses,” Greene said. “We think that’s how they get most of their sustenance, and when they catch one, it seems they probably grab them by the front leg and twist and jerk it really hard to get a good, clean break.”
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[The Shrike]

What the film crews did document was a find of a deer with an unusual break in its front leg which could point to the hunting methods of Bigfoot.

. . . Or to the fact that a heckuva lotta deer get struck by cars. What are these people smoking?

 

[William Parcher]

"We find a lot of deer carcasses," Greene said.

Bigfoot believers aren't supposed to say something like this. Deer carcasses (or any dead animal) are supposed to be ultra rare in the wild. That's the support for "no dead Bigfoots are ever found".

"We think that's how they get most of their sustenance, and when they catch one, it seems they probably grab them by the front leg and twist and jerk it really hard to get a good, clean break."

Why would they want to break a leg instead of the neck? Does the Bigfoot then release the deer to watch it limp for a good belly laugh before going in for the kill?

 

[Drewbot]

Bigfoot is adopting Mafia methods in NC:

What the film crews did document was a find of a deer with an unusual break in its front leg which could point to the hunting methods of Bigfoot.
“We find a lot of deer carcasses,” Greene said. “We think that’s how they get most of their sustenance, and when they catch one, it seems they probably grab them by the front leg and twist and jerk it really hard to get a good, clean break.”
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Dear Mr. Greene,
In regards to the 'unusual break in it's front leg', I'd like to offer this;
When I am chasing four legged animals, I often bypass the rear legs, and run farther, and longer, in order to maim the front leg of the quadruped. "Poo" I say, to grabbing the rear leg, that is for pansies.

Sincerely,
Bigfoot
Raleigh, NC

 

[DennyT]

. . . Or to the fact that a heckuva lotta deer get struck by cars. What are these people smoking?

They'd be better off smoking something. I learned a long time ago that the line between lunacy and sanity is not always drawn in dayglo colors.

 

[GT/CS]

Dear Mr. Greene,
In regards to the 'unusual break in it's front leg', I'd like to offer this;
When I am chasing four legged animals, I often bypass the rear legs, and run farther, and longer, in order to maim the front leg of the quadruped. "Poo" I say, to grabbing the rear leg, that is for pansies.

Sincerely,
Bigfoot
Raleigh, NC

Now that's funny.

I'd love to see you post that on the BFF!

 

[DennyT]

Dear Mr. Greene,
In regards to the 'unusual break in it's front leg', I'd like to offer this;
When I am chasing four legged animals, I often bypass the rear legs, and run farther, and longer, in order to maim the front leg of the quadruped. "Poo" I say, to grabbing the rear leg, that is for pansies.

Sincerely,
Bigfoot
Raleigh, NC

Dear Bigfoot,
I believe you drive around in a car and hit them as they try to cross the road. But you don't want The Law to know because u have neither a license nor proof of insurance.
Sincerely
The shrike

 

[davefoc]

. . . Or to the fact that a heckuva lotta deer get struck by cars. What are these people smoking?

And who is driving the cars that strike all these deer? Are you so human centric that you just ruled out the possibility of bigfoot drivers without thinking about it?