Who started both World Wars?

[Craig4]

Ah 9/11 just to make it clear that after 105 pages the fact that Germany started ww2. Despite volumes of your lies, denial and making stuff up. That conclusion still stands and the internet supports it fully.

You have failed - but then those of us who understand history knew that when you started oh so long ago.

Well we you consider the blatant dishonesty of his Nazi heros in their rise to power why would we expect integrity from one of their bad copies? It's not as if these are honorable people we're talking about.

Beyond the internet, I would add that all the intelligent, competent scholarship supports it. This people are arguing 2+2=5.

 

[MG1962]

WW2 according to MG1962: Hitler, Goering and Goebbels were sitting in the Beergarten having a good time. 'You know what?', says Hitler, 'Let's start a world war, just for the heck of it. How about that?'. Goering: 'Jolly good idea if you ask me!'. Goebbels: 'Wunderbar! First Poland, then the rest of Europe, then the USSR, then Souts-America, Antarctica, Australia and finally the USA'.

Swap Hess for Goebbels and thats pretty much what happened

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch#The_Putsch

 

[dafydd]

To all concerned.

I was in the Netherlands recently and encountered many very friendly enlightened people. I wish to add this lest anyone get a bad impression of the country based on the example of its citizenry we have here with us today.

I have many Dutch friends,I played for years in a Dutch band. All sane,intelligent,tolerant people. Nein 11 is in a tiny,tiny,minority.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Swap Hess for Goebbels and thats pretty much what happened

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch#The_Putsch

Show us where in that link of yours we can conclude that the Nazis planned for world conquest. Just a simple quote will do.

 

[TSR]

Show us where in that link of yours we can conclude that the Nazis planned for world conquest. Just a simple quote will do.

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You first: show us where, in the document *you* cited, Lebensraum is even mentioned.

*Then* you can explain why you did not check any of the *5* sources you had been given for the quote I offered, preferring instead to lie that none had been.

*Then* you can apologize for saying everyone else was lying about the quote.

And only *then* do you have the right to demand we continue to give you citations which you have shown you will just ignore anyway.
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[Uzzy]

Actual historians would look at the debate between the Continentalists and the Globalists, especially the idea of the Stufenplan, from Andreas Hillgruber.

Nein/11, on the other hand, probably thinks that the common historical explanation for WW2 is indeed Hitler, Goebbels and Goering sitting around drinking and cackling like cartoon villians over world domination plans.

 

[9/11-investigator]

To get an idea of the magnitude of Anglo hypocrasy have a look at this map of the extension of the British empire:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/British_Empire_1897.jpg

All this territory was invaded and conquored by these Brits in their insatiable greed for 'Livingspace'. 25% of the planet in total. This map btw does not show the maximum extent of that empire.

Now is their anybody here who can find back the German city of Danzig on the map? Of course not. It represents maybe 0.00001% of the planet's surface, and in contrast to India, Canada, Africa, etc. it was German. It had been taken from Germany by the Anglos after WW1, a war fought to smash Germany because this new state had become a threat for Anglo trade. After all made in Britain never really was a selling point as opposed to made in Germany. Who wants for instance a British car? Oh, the UK does not produce cars, sorry for that. So the French and British decided to downsize the German (and Austrian) empire's and subjected Germany after they had killed 1 million Germans in a hunger blockade. The loot continued with 'reparation payments' which brought Germany to it's knees financially. Finally enough was enough and somebody came along to free Germany from it's tormentors. The goal was to liberate Germany from the extortion racket that Versailles was and to reunite all Germans in one nation, nothing more. Danzig was the last missing item. Germany already had accepted the existence of a Polish state, even with German territories like Posen. It was just about Danzig, a city that wanted to return to the Reich. And deep in his heart Chamberlain, who really represented the interests of Britain and it's empire, found the demand not unreasonable. But his problem was that he had the Jewish paid bloodhound Churchill in his neck, who demanded from Chamberlain to take a stand against Germany. Churchill had been paid by the AIPAC du jour Focus Group to become PM of Britain and bring Britain into war with Germany. The entire press in Britain was shouting for the war garantee. Chamberlain had no choice. Germany meanwhile had become military strong enough to show Britain the finger and took back what always had been theirs. Britain, knowing full well that a war would ruin them and their empire, hesitated in making good on the (empty) promisses they had made to the Poles. After all, committing suicide over a city that was German anyway, is a little bit much. But than Churchill became impatient and organized the invasion of Norway. That turned out to be a big failure as many earlier Churchillian military adventures as well, but at least they forced the Germans to react and the Focus group had the war it wanted and Churchill PM. The goal was reached and Focus was dismantled.

50 million Europeans had to die because Britain wanted to prevent a German town going back to Germany. At some point they will be presented with a bill of gigantic magnitude for the incredible damage they have done to European civilization.

 

[Corsair 115]

50 million Europeans had to die because Britain wanted to prevent a German town going back to Germany.

I think you meant this:

50 million Europeans had to die because Germany wanted to have a town go back to Germany and was willing to go to war to do so.

 

[MG1962]

911 you realise Churchill became PM until Germany invaded France - now lets think about that for a minute.

What had France and Britian done till the 10th May 1940 in the war - absolutely nothing. So why did Hitler push his luck and invade West? Great question glad you asked.

He wanted to secure his western boarder for the eventual invasion of Russia

Oh dear - what have we here - premeditated proof that Hitler was thinking about the eventual attack on Russian 14.5 months before the Russian were going to invade him (according to 911 unnamed sources)

And Danzig wanted to be German, well cry me a river. Should not have started WW1 and lost - Then Danzig may have had a chance to remain German.

And help me out - Austrian wanted to return to Germany? Really - So what was the war in 1866 all about Germany had about much claim on Austria as I do of claiming the British Crown

 

[TSR]

One such remark more and you go on ignore for wasting our time.

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Speaking of wasting our time, have you found where, in the document you cited, it even mentions Lebenstraum?

Or are you still consulting any of the five sources for the quote you lied that you had not been given?

*Then* we can go back and pull up some other ... ummmm ... let's be charitable and say errors you have made in this thread...

And BTW, I believe MG1962 refers to the fact that there was very little of that pesky actual, you know, *fighting* on the side of the Allies until 1940 -- although in the interests of fairness, I would argue that that side of things began in April of that year with the Norwegian Campaign.
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[9/11-investigator]

What had France and Britian done till the 10th May 1940 in the war - absolutely nothing.

Unbelievable moronic statement!

They had declared war on Germany in september 1939!!!!!!!!!!

 

[uke2se]

Unbelievable moronic statement!

They had declared war on Germany in september 1939.

As I said:

*woosh*

Way to miss the point, Nein11.

 

[Uzzy]

To get an idea of the magnitude of Anglo hypocrasy have a look at this map of the extension of the British empire.

*snip*

Hypocrisy. It's spelt Hypocrisy.

As for the rest of your post, that's just trolling. Words devoid of content or meaning or logical thought.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I think you meant this:

50 million Europeans had to die because Germany wanted to have a town go back to Germany and was willing to go to war to do so.

They were willing to go to war with Poland about it. Hitler gambled that Britain would not live up to the promisses they had made to the Poles and was bluffing, just like they had accepted earlier reversals of Versailles. Hitler thought Britain would not commit suicide. But they did.

No you are gleefully going to say, that Britain did live up to the garantee imposed on Britain by these American Jews, who wanted to use the Danzig issue to get a foot between the door of European politics and, just like Stalin did, use an anachronistic 19th century internal European balance of power struggle to destroy the largest power on the European continent and replace Europe as the number one address on this planet by dividing the loot between them and the Soviets and terminate all European global colonies.

So thanks to you, the US and USSR won, and Europe and Britain lost.

Congratulations. We Europeans do not like it but you had your way. Although Britain was the biggest loser of them all, at least the Germans lost, and that is the most important thing a Brit can achieve in life.

But there is a little problem here for you. The US soon will go the way of the USSR. That means you Brits will be alone with us Europeans. And we certainly are going to have a second look at you and your behavior in the 20th century. And it does not look good at all for you.

Talking about America going the way of the USSR, here another tell tale sign that the NWO is dead. Our vice prime minister Maxime Verhagen has said today:

In navolging van drie andere Europese prominenten heeft vicepremier Maxime Verhagen fel uitgehaald naar de multiculturele samenleving. Tijdens de opnames van College Tour, dat donderdag wordt uitgezonden, liet hij weten dat het idee om allochtonen en autochtonen naast elkaar te laten leven, compleet mislukt is.

He says that multicult is dead. He goes even further than Merkel, Sarkozy and Cameron. He literally says that the idea that Dutch and allochtones living next to each other door to door is a complete failure.

Now, how about that! What next? Is brave Maxime going to wear a brown shirt and starts kicking in door's SA-style in order to round up all these poor muzzies and ship them south in a container? Of course not. Maxime's solution: we all should take example of ... [drumroll]America![/drumroll]

You can't make this up. Read the mocking reader comments (500 and counting). America is a 'nation' of immigrants, Holland is not. We are being disposessed and we are not going to take it. Our political class of multicultis, spineless sissy xenophiles, holo-believers and falsifiers of history is finished, just like everywhere else in 'The West'. Egypt is just one incident away here in Holland. If a muzzie kills Greetje Wilders for instance, it probably means civil war. And the multiracial society is gone forever. Already most muslims say they want to go home (because they feel what is coming). We are not going to wait until we are outnumbered, like the Euro-Americans already are. The clashes are either going to begin in France, Belgium or Holland (my guess is in that order of likelyhood). Gerald Celente says between 2012-2016. I would not want to believe that before Egypt fell. But now, in the light of what Verhagen just said, I am inclined to believe Celente, this master forecaster.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Hypocrisy. It's spelt Hypocrisy.

As for the rest of your post, that's just trolling. Words devoid of content or meaning or logical thought.

If my English does not suit you, we can continue in either Dutch, German, French or Russian. Take your pick.

But you are unable to respond to my 'trolling post' in any meaningful way, right? That would require you to construct a piece of text larger than 3 lines. And the whole world knows that Anglos in general have trouble remembering more than 3 lines, even if they are paid tens of thousands of dollars for it. Let alone constructing a piece of text larger than 3 lines.

 

[uke2se]

They were willing to go to war with Poland about it. Hitler gambled that Britain would not live up to the promisses they had made to the Poles and was bluffing, just like they had accepted earlier reversals of Versailles.

Ah, so Hitler was trying to abuse the British withing to avoid war to expand his Lebensraum and it came back to bite him.

Hitler thought Britain would not commit suicide. But they did.

This is ironic when you think of who really committed suicide. In your world, Nein11, did Hitler put a bullet in his brain and take poison to escape the reality of him having lost the war, like he did in the real world?

No you are gleefully going to say, that Britain did live up to the garantee imposed on Britain by these American Jews,

American Jews signed to guarantee to Poland? Procure the document or admit you're lying.

who wanted to use the Danzig issue to get a foot between the door of European politics and,

You mean the same American Jews who Saggy informed us had wanted to go to war since 1933, but who never got their wish, the US only entering WWII when attacked by Germany?

just like Stalin did, use an anachronistic 19th century internal European balance of power struggle to destroy the largest power on the European continent

The USSR was the largest power on the European continent. Hitler gambled to expand German Lebensraum as per Nazi doctrines, and lost, badly. Why do you admire someone who was so badly trounced, Nein11? See a bit of yourself in him?

and replace Europe as the number one address on this planet by dividing the loot between them and the Soviets and terminate all European global colonies.

Is that why Hitler allied with Stalin?

So thanks to you, the US and USSR won, and Europe and Britain lost.

You mean, Nazi Germany lost. Everyone else - including Europe - won. On behalf of my fellow Europeans, I would like to thank those that fought against the evil that was Nazi Germany and utterly destroyed the regime, and who later helped build up Europe again.

Congratulations. We Europeans Nazis do not like it but you had your way.

Fixed that for you. Us Europeans like it just fine.

Although Britain was the biggest loser of them all, at least the Germans lost, and that is the most important thing a Brit can achieve in life.

Britain didn't lose anything to Germany. The Nazis lost everything, including Germany. Must be awful to be one of the few pom-pom swingers left rooting for the losing side of a war 65 years ago, Nein11. I feel for you.

But there is a little problem here for you. The US soon will go the way of the USSR.

Ah, you are now talking about your masturbatory fantasies. Well, masturbatory fantasies seldom have anything to do with reality, I'm sad to have to tell you. Heck, I often fantasize about Jessica Alba, but I don't expect the two of us to really ever be stuck in an elevator together. Perhaps you shouldn't expect your masturbatory fantasies to become reality either.

That means you Brits will be alone with us Europeans.

That's alright. By that time, you and your Nazi scum will have been "relocated to camps in the East" and us real Europeans will celebrate with our British European friends. See, I can dream too.

And we certainly are going to have a second look at you and your behavior in the 20th century. And it does not look good at all for you.

Just what are you and your twenty Nazi friends going to do against the rest of us Millions of Europeans?

[snipped bunch of stuff that doesn't mean what Nein11 think it means]

You can't make this up. Read the mocking reader comments (500 and counting).

Yes, "truth" by internet comments. Nazi scholarship at it's brightest.

America is a 'nation' of immigrants, Holland is not.

Oh really, where do you draw the line? Do you think humanity evolved in Holland? Let me be the first to tell you then: it was in Africa.

We are being disposessed and we are not going to take it.

Then you will have to get out of your basement, and as we both know that's not going to happen, you're going to have to learn to live with it or be consumed by your own hatred.

Our political class of multicultis, holo-believers and falsifiers of history is finished, just like everywhere else in 'The West'.

More of those masturbatory fantasies. THEY AIN'T REAL, NEIN11!

Egypt is just one incident away here in Holland.

You really don't know anything about your countrymen, Nein11. The vast majority of them hates you.

If a muzzie kills Greetje Wilders for instance, it probably means civil war.

Lol.

And the multiracial society is gone forever.

Unless they lose like they did 65 years ago, and chances are good. Nazis have shown themselves to be inferior to others, after all.

Already most muslims say they want to go home (because they feel what is coming).

No, they want to go home because of haters like you. Thankfully, there aren't many of you, so the Muslims can stay in peace.

We are not going to wait until we are outnumbered, like the Euro-Americans already are.

So again, what are you and your 20 skinhead bozo friends going to do about it?

The clashes are either going to begin in France, Belgium or Holland (my guess is in that order of likelyhood).

Masturbatory fantasies again. What a modern day Nostradamus you are, Nein11. Only dumber.

Gerald Celente says between 2012-2016.

And he's wrong.

I would not want to believe that before Egypt fell. But now, in the light of what Verhagen just said, I am inclined to believe Celente, this master forecaster.

Lol.

 

[uke2se]

If my English does not suit you, we can continue in either Dutch, German, French or Russian. Take your pick.

This is an English speaking forum and you will post in that language or kindly get out. You don't set the rules here, Nazi.

But you are unable to respond to my 'trolling post' in any meaningful way, right?

How do you respond to a Nazi troll in a meaningful way? You don't. You make fun of him, like we're making fun of you.

 

[little grey rabbit]

This is an English speaking forum and you will post in that language or kindly get out. You don't set the rules here, Nazi.



How do you respond to a Nazi troll in a meaningful way? You don't. You make fun of him, like we're making fun of you.

And you are making excellent work of it, uke2se. To me nothing says "making fun" than run arounding pleading with people not to click on a link.

That is the mark of true superiority.

 

[Uzzy]

But you are unable to respond to my 'trolling post' in any meaningful way, right? That would require you to construct a piece of text larger than 3 lines. And the whole world knows that Anglos in general have trouble remembering more than 3 lines, even if they are paid tens of thousands of dollars for it. Let alone constructing a piece of text larger than 3 lines.

More trolling. This amuses me.

If you want a meaningful response, you can look at any one of the previous 100 pages worth of them, which time and again you've ignored in favour of out and out trolling.

 

[uke2se]

And you are making excellent work of it, uke2se. To me nothing says "making fun" than run arounding pleading with people not to click on a link.

That is the mark of true superiority.

The reason I advice people not to click on your links, and why I have taken it upon myself to report every instance of you spamming them, is that you are a spammer out to make a buck. I have already advised you of this.