Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

Anders Lindman said:
... And the one jet engine that was found some blocks away from ground zero looks suspiciously planted (for example too small engine and of wrong type some people say).
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Out of curiosity, I did some quick web searches to find out exactly what the official statement is about what type the jet engine had that was found a few blocks away from ground zero (on Church & Murray Street).

I didn't find any official statement about the type of jet engine found. Isn't that important to know? In order to match the engine to determine from which plane it came from and if it was an engine on the left or on the right side of the plane?

Picture of the jet engine found: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/images2/wtc16.jpg
 
Anders Lindman said:
I didn't find any official statement about the type of jet engine found.
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Now I made some more web searches, but still haven't found any official statement about the type of jet engine found near ground zero.

I did however find this interesting comment (I don't know how reliable this information is though):

"Nila Sagadevin, a seasoned airline pilot of over 20 years, examined photos
of the engine that was found at the Trade Center site. He stated, "The
engine found at the Trade Center was a CFM-56, which is not utilized on a
Boeing 767", confirming that the south tower was not hit by flight 175, but
by another plane that had taken its place."

From: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/98ed9cd274ca17f8
 
Anders Lindman said:
Now I made some more web searches, but still haven't found any official statement about the type of jet engine found near ground zero.

I did however find this interesting comment (I don't know how reliable this information is though):

"Nila Sagadevin, a seasoned airline pilot of over 20 years, examined photos
of the engine that was found at the Trade Center site. He stated, "The
engine found at the Trade Center was a CFM-56, which is not utilized on a
Boeing 767", confirming that the south tower was not hit by flight 175, but
by another plane that had taken its place."

From: http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/98ed9cd274ca17f8
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If they were going to plant evidence then why wouldn't they plant the right evidence?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Good point. Personally I believe no planes at all were used in the 911 attacks. See for example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186212

Where are the four jet engines from the two airliners (flight 11 and 175 if I remember correctly) that allegedly crashed into the WTC towers? Did three of the jet engines evaporate into thin air (like all the black boxes)? I don't think so. And the one jet engine that was found some blocks away from ground zero looks suspiciously planted (for example too small engine and of wrong type some people say).
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The reason you're confused is that you don't have the facts, nor do you appear to want the facts. So I guess I'm saying that you're deliberately confused. Or you could be pretending to be that way in order to get attention. Either way it doesn't flatter you in any way I can think of.

Multiple engines were found, multiple engines were reported to have fallen at the time the jets crashed into the buildings (check EMT and NYPD testimony) and one woman was apparently crushed under one such engine part.

Frankly, no planer beliefs are particularly stupid IMO.
 
alienentity said:
The reason you're confused is that you don't have the facts, nor do you appear to want the facts. So I guess I'm saying that you're deliberately confused. Or you could be pretending to be that way in order to get attention. Either way it doesn't flatter you in any way I can think of.

Multiple engines were found, multiple engines were reported to have fallen at the time the jets crashed into the buildings (check EMT and NYPD testimony) and one woman was apparently crushed under one such engine part.

Frankly, no planer beliefs are particularly stupid IMO.
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I haven't seen any official report about more than 1 engine found from the planes that are supposed to have crashed into the WTC towers. And the one engine they found, I still haven't seen any official statement about what the type/model of the jet engine is.
 
I wouldn't use Nila Sagadevin as a source for authority - a quick google shows that.
 
Sunstealer said:
I wouldn't use Nila Sagadevin as a source for authority - a quick google shows that.
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You may be right, I haven't checked the validity of that source. The other part remains for me however, that I haven't seen any official statement about what type/model/manufacturer of the jet engine found is. What if Sagadevin is correct? That the jet engine found near ground zero is a CFM-56?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Out of curiosity, I did some quick web searches to find out exactly what the official statement is about what type the jet engine had that was found a few blocks away from ground zero (on Church & Murray Street).

I didn't find any official statement about the type of jet engine found. Isn't that important to know? In order to match the engine to determine from which plane it came from and if it was an engine on the left or on the right side of the plane?

Picture of the jet engine found: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/images2/wtc16.jpg
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People think the engine is not from one of the jets? How stupid can they be?

It is the exact jet engine used on the plane that impacted the WTC. There is not need for an official statement, the engine can be shown by physics and timing to be the only possible event. You can get the RADAR data, you can get the video, photos, and with physics prove this is an engine from the jet that impacted. It is the correct engine type, the morons in 911 truth have to lie to keep their delusions alive. Nila Sagadevin is a liar, and a fraud and never flew heavy jet, or he is a complete moron. He hides his real name, and he has no clue you can hand fly a heavy jet without using the instruments on a clear day. Fraud.

It would be easy to prove the engine is not from flight 11 or 175. It would have happened on 911. Some people fail to realize the engine on the aircraft is much larger than the core you see on the ground in photos since the larger fan was destroyed on impact with other object, along with accessories and other junk that make the engine seem so incredibly large. By making false information about engines, 911 truth make themselves bigger morons.

The sad thing is the engine flew to ground, it dropped out of the air; now the NWO is magical. Planting evidence out of thin air.
 
Anders Lindman said:
... What if Sagadevin is correct? That the jet engine found near ground zero is a CFM-56?
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Nila has never been right on 911, he is a moron. He makes up a false statement, like all his work on 911, nonsense.

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Did you ask Nila if this tire and landing gear part is from one of the planes? Gee, if Nila could do physics, he could see the engine and landing gear part are exactly where they should be after being ejected from a 1300 to 2093 pounds of TNT kinetic energy impact with the WTC towers. 911 truth does not do math and physics, they manufacture lies to fool people who lack knowledge and logic.

Nila has no clue what plane he is talking about - do you?
Oops, if Nila was right, he would not be a liar. Nila is still a liar, or did he really commit to say the engine was not from one of the planes used on 911? Has he figured out which jet the engine was not from? How was the jet engine planted in his delusion? The other liars share a similar Bigfoot fate.
 
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Anders Lindman said:
You may be right, I haven't checked the validity of that source. The other part remains for me however, that I haven't seen any official statement about what type/model/manufacturer of the jet engine found is. ...?
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You have not looked.

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA060&rpt=fa

Engine type - Turbo Fan - gee, the engine looks like the core of a turbo fan
Engine Manufacturer - Pratt and Whitney - gee, the engine is a PW
Model/Series - PW4062 - gee, it is a PW4062

There is not a single PW engineer who disagrees.
 
beachnut said:
You have not looked.

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA060&rpt=fa

Engine type - Turbo Fan - gee, the engine looks like the core of a turbo fan
Engine Manufacturer - Pratt and Whitney - gee, the engine is a PW
Model/Series - PW4062 - gee, it is a PW4062

There is not a single PW engineer who disagrees.
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Those links do not point to any official statement of what type of engine it is that was found on Church & Murray Street near ground zero.
 
beachnut said:
You have not looked.

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA060&rpt=fa

Engine type - Turbo Fan - gee, the engine looks like the core of a turbo fan
Engine Manufacturer - Pratt and Whitney - gee, the engine is a PW
Model/Series - PW4062 - gee, it is a PW4062

There is not a single PW engineer who disagrees.
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So, if the Boeing 767 plane used PW4062, check this out: http://gorod.tomsk.ru/uploads/50838/1280329246/1685473.jpg

(From: http://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1280339872.php )

Compare with the engine found near ground zero: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/images2/wtc16.jpg

It looks puny in comparison!
 
tsig said:
The all powerfull cabal couldn't get an engine?
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A jet engine for a Boeing 767 is not something that they could buy at Walmart. I believe the perpetrators were a shadow group with access to and control over key areas such as some of the floors in the WTC towers and a centralized Media Control Center in New York City where the live video feeds from the 5 major television networks were manipulated for a short period of time, but not much more power than that and not access to many types of jet engines.
 
Anders Lindman said:
You may be right, I haven't checked the validity of that source. The other part remains for me however, that I haven't seen any official statement about what type/model/manufacturer of the jet engine found is. What if Sagadevin is correct? That the jet engine found near ground zero is a CFM-56?
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I started to do some digging. Basically what I've found is that the engine in the picture looks to be a P&W JTD9 - 7A/7F/7J due to the HPT 1 cooling duct assembly. The info on aircraft N612UA seems to be that it was flying with JT9D-7R4D. So there appears to be a discrepancy which is feeding the conspiracy nuts because they equate the JT9D-7R4D with a 767-200 and a JTD9 - 7A/7F/7J with a 747. The fact is that a JTD9 - 7A/7F/7J isn't exclusive to a 747 but can be used on a 767-200.

I don't think there will be any information regarding engine maintenance or changes on the net because this is proprietary airline information. Even if it was available I would expect it to be drowned out by a sea of truther crap.

It looks to me that either the aircraft had an engine(s) changed or there is a mod to the JT9D-7R4D HPT Stage 1 cooling duct assembly.
 
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