The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

achimspok, ideologues make the worst investigators EVER.

You must have been in kindergarten in 2001 if you don't understand why Bin laden HAD to say he didn't do it at first. No matter what was said subsequently, no matter how many investigations were done, how many books were written, no matter what Bin Laden's own words said a hundred times since, you decide to take a single statement made for a specific reason and build a world view around it.

You are irrelevant.
 
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With respect, our friend the 9/11 inside job conspiracy theorist is all over the place. Moreover, the methodology, such as it is, is sub-level awful. And it would be as awful if his/her preconceived notions were in support of the accurate conclusions with regard to what actually transpired along with those truly involved.
 
Ooh, I left a few out.

Kill everyone on the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Kill everyone on demolition crew-killing duty so they won't talk.

Kill everyone who killed the killers of the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Repeat until nobody talks.

That reminds me about the story of Atilla The Hun's burial. They wanted to keep it secret but realized that they would eventually have to kill everyone in the land. They solved the problem with a camel.
 
...a used dolt, now dead. Even a hooligan is more convincing when talking about his obsession.

Still no evidence?
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/view

Does it make any sense to commit a terror attack and not to claim responsibility immediately? ...or ever after?
Mom Dad, me, I did not do it. (lies to take time to HIDE) Good one, bring out the UBL did not do it. Darn, he takes credit, and his boys did it. Darn, there goes your parenting skills, down the tubes. They lie, little boys lie sometimes so they can change their story, make up a story, or blame someone else. Good for you.

OOPS, you posted proof UBL is a suspect and he is wanted directly for world-wide terrorist acts. Guess what world the WTC is in. Which part of world-wide are you unable to grasp today?

No wonder 911 truth has failed for 9 years. Good luck.

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I will elaborate on that a little later.
OH boy. wowzer


... humiliated? No, Beachnut, no one is laughing at your torture. You just expose how stupid you really are. I hope you can read. Here are spme exerpts from the Red Cross Report:

Waterboarding
Stress standing
Beating
Nudity
Sleep deprivation
Cold temperatures
Prolonged use of Handcuffs and shackles
Threats
Food
etc. pp.
Conclusion
Where is the beat to a pulp, beheading, and rape? Guess who I want to torture me? I do not condone torture, but we don't do torture, we run a conutry club when it comes to torture. But then you have not been trained as a prisnor of war; you have no training you gather your information from the Internet. This could be the reason you have no clue what happen on 911. Where is the beheading and rape?

Threats, gee that is bad, I pick beheading.
Food, no don't do it to me, behead me, please.
Water-boarding, no don't make me hold my breath and pass-out, please behead me.

Stress standing- don't make me stand, cut off my head with a rusty sword. (really, standing... who failed to have a big brother)

Beating - skip the beating. (I pick nude torture)

Nudity - Wow, never, cut off my head first! (really, torture)

Sleep deprivation - don't keep me up, behead me. (you mean I have to stay up until I have hallucinations while in prison?)

Cold temperatures - not the cold, please never. (I like cold, born in Pennsylvania, played in the snow in my underwear - close to being the nude torture - two tortures at once! )

Prolonged use of Handcuffs and shackles - wow. In the nude?

I never said I want the US to torture, I said it is pathetic torture. Go pick torture by other countries, or pick the US; where taking away your cell phone or making you walk to school are "torture". And you posted proof of how weak torture in the USA is. Good job.

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If you want to uglify the Internet, I suggest you leave our forum alone and create your own hideous web site.
Please not the nude torture, no not the nude stuff! Beat me, pull off my fingernails, but not the nude torture! please not the nude torture... Wow, now that is terrible. Bet that nude torture got them speaking - "where are my pants!", "socks?", ...

Torture is a waste of time, sort of like suicide terrorists. I am against torture, but if I was going to be tortured I pick the USA to do, and since I can hold my breath and swim 6 lengths of large pools of water (for minutes), all I need now is acting skills to fake the drowning part, and I will need a lot of work; I pick Water-boarding! Please.
 
"Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please," ... "Only please, Mr CIA idiot man, please don't water-board me."
I am against torture, it is not a good idea to do it. Knowing what the other side does, is great incentive to avoid being captured.

... I guess he dropped hand granades. Then he walked down in the basemente and watched the video.
They threw grenades into the basement after warning anyone hiding to come out - throw grenades into basement - large explosion takes place in basement - seconds after the blast a dog comes running out of the basement. Video in WWII, good one, no wonder you have problems with 911.


...How many intact paper from the cockpit was found on the lawn of the Pentagon? Help me, I forgot!
You don't watch many lawyer shows do you?
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...How many intact paper from the cockpit was found on the lawn of the Pentagon? Help me, I forgot!
Btw, that plane hit at an angle. Good chance for paper! AA11 hit almost perpendicular.
Typical 911 truth failure, you make up what you think will happen, and forget to do real research to find things can survive big upsets. Did you make up this one on your own? Typical 911 truth tactic, make it up, why waste time with research and physics, when you can make up your own stuff.

Objects are ejected and survive. It is a fact, you deal with fantasy, in your world your opinions are weighted too heavy over reality. You can't grasp objects surviving high speed impacts, that is your lack of knowledge and failure to research showing.

Things are ejected from high speed impacts, it is a fact, things can survive. 911 truth does not deal in fact, 911 truth prefer nonsensical fiction.


...OMG, I hope your investigation wasn't that important to others.
Our investigation was important. Unlike your failed delusions on 911.

... Just explain to your audience how any force will push that freakin' 492mph passport out of the cockpit before it entered the building AND how that passport shows no sign of "impact" to anything. We have to find it at Vesey St. Where did you find the Space Shuttle paper? What did the cockpit of the Space Shuttle impacting?
You investigated fatal accidents? Bicycle? LMAO!
I don't have to explain objects survive impacts, the fact is objects have survived aircraft crashes at MACH1 into the ground, into buildings at 600 mph. The space shuttled impacted the air, without shielding everything burns up, but things did survive. Sorry, you forgot about air being something to impact, but your attention to detail leaves much to be desired. Make fun of people being killed and my job, good for you.
 
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If you want to uglify the Internet, I suggest you leave our forum alone and create your own hideous web site.
Oops, did I disturb your torture applauding hideous "conspiracy forum" by citing the Red Cross Report? I'm sorry. It was so cosy hateful and arrogant around here.
 
achimspok, ideologues make the worst investigators EVER.

You must have been in kindergarten in 2001 if you don't understand why Bin laden HAD to say he didn't do it at first. No matter what was said subsequently, no matter how many investigations were done, how many books were written, no matter what Bin Laden's own words said a hundred times since, you decide to take a single statement made for a specific reason and build a world view around it.

You are irrelevant.
I wasn't in kindergarden. But maybe I missed something. Can you show me any UBL statement. Something like "I did it"? The FBI would be very interested. And please don't go and cite the wrong Pentagon translation.
 
Mom Dad, me, I did not do it. (lies to take time to HIDE) Good one, bring out the UBL did not do it. Darn, he takes credit, and his boys did it.
Same question to you: Can you link any statement of taking credit? Please do!

Darn, there goes your parenting skills, down the tubes. They lie, little boys lie sometimes so they can change their story, make up a story, or blame someone else. Good for you.
Which part do not fit for the CIA, daddy?

OOPS, you posted proof UBL is a suspect and he is wanted directly for world-wide terrorist acts. Guess what world the WTC is in. Which part of world-wide are you unable to grasp today?
Strangely enough he was successful with car bombs and rubber boats. Why? Because he can handle it from the desert.

No wonder 911 truth has failed for 9 years. Good luck.
The FBI has no evidence. If you have it, dive it to them! Sure, you have nothing but 9 years of a growing fairytale.

Where is the beat to a pulp, beheading, and rape? Guess who I want to torture me? I do not condone torture, but we don't do torture, we run a conutry club when it comes to torture. But then you have not been trained as a prisnor of war; you have no training you gather your information from the Internet. This could be the reason you have no clue what happen on 911. Where is the beheading and rape?
You don't need to proof a second time how dumb you are. You country club plays killing 183 times a month. And in the meantime the detainee may stress standing 5 days at a strech without sleep, food in his own **** and urine while threatenig to rape and kill the children.

Here is your country club:

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Threats, gee that is bad, I pick beheading.
... and I will need a lot of work; I pick Water-boarding! Please.
Pick it!
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Try the News at the Amnesty International web page. I remember days when they wrote about South Africa.


http://www.amnesty.org/en/campaigns/counter-terror-with-justice
 
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I wasn't in kindergarden. But maybe I missed something. Can you show me any UBL statement. Something like "I did it"? The FBI would be very interested. And please don't go and cite the wrong Pentagon translation.
The FBI suspects UBL of 911, and it is clearly stated in evidence you provided. Typical, 911 truth debunks itself.


OSAMA BIN LADEN: As we mentioned before, Allah ordered us in this religion to purify Muslim land of all non-believers, and especially the Arabian Peninsula where the Ke’ba is. After WWII, the Americans became more aggressive and oppressive, especially in the Muslim world.
He hates Americans as much as he does Jews - Bin Laden a Hitler for Islam. Purify is a code word for murder. Looks like you teamed up with a real winner. 911 truth and Bin Laden, both the personification of failure for eternity.


Good job posting torture, which the soldiers responsible were punished. Do those things and go to prison, good for you exposing bad people go to prison for doing bad things. Super job. Please don't throw me in the brier patch.

I am against torture and terrorist flying planes into buildings. When will you provide proof UBL did not aid the 19 idiots who committed suicide on 911? Never? In 10 years? Next week? Any goal on this issue?

Still in the dark on objects surviving aircraft crashes? Got physics?



Hostility toward America is a religious duty, and we hope to be rewarded for it by God. To call us Enemy Number One or Two does not hurt us. Osama bin Laden is confident that the Islamic nation will carry out its duty. I am confident that Muslims will be able to end the legend of the so-called superpower that is America.
UBL, talks like a truther, and shares the 911 truth goal, complete failure.


Did someone post mistreatment, and name it torture? Was that a photo of torturing the dead? Is that torture, posing stupid with the dead?
 
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Ooh, I left a few out.

Kill everyone on the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Kill everyone on demolition crew-killing duty so they won't talk.

Kill everyone who killed the killers of the demolition crew so they won't talk.

Repeat until nobody talks.

It didn't take that many people and those left are mute jews!
 
You country club plays killing 183 times a month. And in the meantime the detainee may stress standing 5 days at a strech without sleep, food in his own **** and urine while threatenig to rape and kill the children.

Here is your country club:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1119/abu2.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8016/abu3c.jpg

I wish I could show a photo of Danial Pearl just standing with his arms outstretched and in a stress position eating his own ****. I wish he was alive to tell us that he endured these things.

Alas the murderous *********** bastards videoed themselves sawing his head off instead. Does imageshack have those images too?

Unlike Beachnut, I do agree with the waterboarding and the stress positions and the sleep deprevation etc etc etc. I also agree with them getting some on their home soil. Keeps the ****ers out of my back yard and away from my kids!

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Oops, did I disturb your torture applauding hideous "conspiracy forum" by citing the Red Cross Report? I'm sorry. It was so cosy hateful and arrogant around here.

well, here is an off topic point, but an important one.

If someones hands were handcuffed above their heard for long periods of time, they would need to be amputated, due to the lack of blood in them, and all the dead tissue. Do any of your friends have amputated limbs since arriving at Gitmo et al?
 
Same question to you: Can you link any statement of taking credit? Please do!

Which part do not fit for the CIA, daddy?


Strangely enough he was successful with car bombs and rubber boats. Why? Because he can handle it from the desert.


The FBI has no evidence. If you have it, dive it to them! Sure, you have nothing but 9 years of a growing fairytale.


You don't need to proof a second time how dumb you are. You country club plays killing 183 times a month. And in the meantime the detainee may stress standing 5 days at a strech without sleep, food in his own **** and urine while threatenig to rape and kill the children.


Try the News at the Amnesty International web page. I remember days when they wrote about South Africa.

"We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."

Does that sound like taking credit to you?

From The Telegraph:

OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.
In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that "history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".
In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were "blessed by Allah".

The reason why the Twin Towers terrorist attacks aren't mentioned in Osama's wanted poster has nothing to do with the idea the FBI has no evidence to link him to that. "There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."

David N. Kelley, the former U.S. attorney in New York who oversaw terrorism cases when bin Laden was indicted for the embassy bombings there in 1998, said he is not at all surprised by the lack of a reference to Sept. 11 on the official wanted poster. Kelley said the issue is a matter of legal restrictions and the need to be fair to any defendant.

"It might seem a little strange from the outside, but it makes sense from a legal point of view," said Kelley, now in private practice. "If I were in government, I'd be troubled if I were asked to put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed, no matter who it was."
 
Looks somehow damaged, right? was it found in the rubble or on the lawn? I

ABCNEWS sources identify another hijacker as Satam Suqami, a Saudi national on American Airlines Flight 11, whose passport was recovered in the rubble.
http://www.abcnews.com/

New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said Sunday a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago several blocks from the crash site by a passerby. Based on the new evidence, the FBI and police decided to widen the search area beyond the immediate crash site. (CNN, 16.09.2001)
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/gen.america.under.attack/index.html

Authorities investigating Tuesday's attack on the World Trade Center found a passport belonging to one of the hijackers three blocks from the demolished 110-story buildings, New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said. Officials declined to say to whom the passport was issued, but a government source said that it was a Saudi passport. (Washington Post, 17.09.2001)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A41070-2001Sep16&notFound=true

Last week, a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was found in the vicinity of Vesey Street, near the World Trade Center. "It was a significant piece of evidence for us," Mawn said. (CNN, 18.09.2001)
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/inv.investigation.terrorism/index.html

BUT
The Hazmi brothers’ identifications were found in the rubble at the Pentagon and appeared genuine upon examination.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf
Btw...
The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu.

He said yesterday he had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/21/afghanistan.september112
The problem about Vesey St is the same problem like all the paper visible in this shots...
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...but you are claiming to be 1) USAF pilot 2) flying Boeings 3) being engineer 4) investigating aircraft accidents 5) listening to intelligence briefings prior to 9/11 and you see no physical problem to get this...
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...out of AA11 and back to Vesey St?

Well, that's the typical 911 truth debunker failure, you make up what you think will happen, and forget to do real research.

Instead you write loads of nonsense on "obscured internet forums" and feel annoyed by any research. And all the time you accuse everyone else to allegedly do exactly what you do.
... Typical 911 truth tactic, make it up, why waste time with research and physics, when you can make up your own stuff.

You take the paper that was blown out of the tower to tell me that this...
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escaped the cockpit impact and bounce back to Vasey St?
And you find more excuses for your physical nonsense. Indeed, your physics work as long as it fits the official story. That story is a nice fantasy and so your physics tend to be fit that fantasy whenever needed.
And then you are shouting like Rumpelsiltskin spouting your nonsense all over here. Example:
Objects are ejected and survive. It is a fact, you deal with fantasy, in your world your opinions are weighted too heavy over reality. You can't grasp objects surviving high speed impacts, that is your lack of knowledge and failure to research showing.
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I can grasp that your nonsense avoids to mention the change of direction or - in other words - a tremendous negative deceleration in a fraction of a second leaving no *********** scratch on the nice green surface of that fraudulent passport. Tell you what! It's a lie and a 5th grader can figure it out.

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Your entire investigation is a bad joke but you are unable to see it. It reads like:
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WOW no suspicious activity but the FBI had an informant who lived with them. DoubleWOW.

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No link to any hijacking plot but hey, the knew Hanjour and died in the plane crash. End of investigation.
BAD BAD BAD JOKE!
 
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You take the paper that was blown out of the tower to tell me that this...
escaped the cockpit impact and bounce back to Vasey St?
And you find more excuses for your physical nonsense. Indeed, your physics work as long as it fits the official story. That story is a nice fantasy and so your physics tend to be fit that fantasy whenever needed.
And then you are shouting like Rumpelsiltskin spouting your nonsense all over here.

I can grasp that your nonsense avoids to mention the change of direction or - in other words - a tremendous negative deceleration in a fraction of a second leaving no *********** scratch on the nice green surface of that fraudulent passport. Tell you what! It's a lie and a 5th grader can figure it out.
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Concerning the claim that the passports were planted: Why would they bother? What does it add to the story? There was no need to “plant passports”. We’ve never seen anyone say “they must have been on the planes because look, the NYPD found that passport”. It’s completely unnecessary, and is only ever used as evidence of an “inside job”.

But could the passport have escaped destruction? Explosions are unpredictable things, it’s surprising what can survive, and there are accounts of personal effects being retrieved from other passengers. Here’s one from Flight 175.

"Orange County, CA., Sept. 11 - Lisa Anne Frost was 22 and had just graduated from Boston University in May 2001 with two degrees and multiple academic and service honors. She had worked all summer in Boston before coming home, finally, to California to start her new life. The Rancho Santa Margarita woman was on United Flight 175 on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, when it became the second plane to slam into the World Trade Center...

Her parents, Tom and Melanie Frost, have spent two years knowing they will never understand why.

A few days before the first anniversary of our daughter's murder, we were notified that they had found a piece of her in the piles and piles of gritty rubble of the World Trade Center that had been hauled out to Staten Island. It was Lisa's way, we believe, of telling us she wasn't lost.

In February, the day of the Columbia tragedy, we got word they'd found her United Airlines Mileage Plus card. It was found very near where they'd found a piece of her right hip. We imagine that she used the card early on the morning of Sept. 11 to get on the plane and just stuck it in her back pocket, probably her right back pocket, instead of in her purse. They have found no other personal effects".

It’s a card rather than paper, and wasn’t ejected from the building, but this does demonstrate that not everything was incinerated. And it’s not alone. There are similar reports from the other crash scenes, including a drivers licence and luggage tag recovered from Flight 77 and even more from Flight 93.

From the Post Gazette:

"United Airlines Flight 93 slammed into the earth Sept. 11 near Shanksville, Somerset County, at more than 500 mph, with a ferocity that disintegrated metal, bone and flesh. It took more than three months to identify the remains of the 40 passengers and crew, and, by process of elimination, the four hijackers...

But searchers also gathered surprisingly intact mementos of lives lost.

Those items, such as a wedding ring and other jewelry, photos, credit cards, purses and their contents, shoes, a wallet and currency, are among seven boxes of identified personal effects salvaged from the site."

There’s some support for the idea from other crash sites, then, but of course surviving the initial impact is only one problem. Others ask how could one passport be recovered so quickly from the rubble of the trade centre collapses? Fortunately the answer is a simple one. It wasn’t. Here’s the official account of what happened.

The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC 2. The tower collapsed shortly afterwards. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11.
-Page 40 9/11 Commission.

The suggestion here is that the passport was found amongst the debris on the street.
Other accounts certainly suggest some parts of the plane were left outside the building.

On the ground, they saw an odd shape. Reiss looked closer: It was the nose gear of an airplane...

A part of the landing gear landed five blocks south
Page 20, “102 Minutes”
Jim Dwyer and Kevin Flynn

Meanwhile another story in the New York Times said at least two items of mail on the 9/11 planes were recovered:

On Oct. 12, it arrived inside a second envelope at Mrs. Snyder's modest white house on Main Street here, and the instant she took it out and saw it, she says, ''chills just went over me.'' It was singed and crumpled. A chunk was ripped out, giving the bottom of the envelope she had sent the look of a jagged skyline. Mrs. Snyder's lyrical script had blurred into the scorched paper. The stamp, depicting a World War II sailor embracing a woman welcoming him home, was intact.

Along with the letter was a note: ''To whom it may concern. This was found floating around the street in downtown New York. I am sorry if you suffered any loss in this tragedy. Sincerely, a friend in New York!''

Since then, Mrs. Snyder, a customer service representative at a grocery store, has discovered that she has one of only two pieces of mail known to have been recovered from the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. At least one auction house has contacted her, saying she could sell the letter for tens of thousands of dollars.

One Letter's Odyssey Helps Mend a Wound
New York Times
December 20, 2001
 
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It's stories like those above that really highlight how despicable the 9/11 truth (lie) movement is. They've turned an international tragedy into a meaningless hobby. A topic like this deserves much better than the ranting of the lunatic fringe.
 
I've written two symphonies. You?
Lot of music for bands, theater and film... You?

You could imagine all the ways it MIGHT have happened. Maybe robot zombies from the future materialized there and melted the support beams? However, most people figure that it probably had something to do with big chunks of concrete and steel raining down on the building from above. Once this is a given, there are all sorts of mechanisms for starting a fire that do not require covert ConEd impersonators or robot zombies.
Well, I don't need robot zombies. Wisely NIST excluded the damage due to big chunks of concrete and steel as a cause.
I have no problem with the "fire did it" claim as long as the described mechanism matches the visual evidence. It do not. Nevertheless, the described mechanism fits too perfectly the hypothesis that I bet my 455 they managed to make it fit. That's my problem because - even if they might be right - the investigation is a farce.
 
The FBI suspects UBL of 911, and it is clearly stated in evidence you provided. Typical, 911 truth debunks itself.
"suspects"? You debunked yourself right here.

He hates Americans as much as he does Jews - Bin Laden a Hitler for Islam. Purify is a code word for murder. Looks like you teamed up with a real winner. 911 truth and Bin Laden, both the personification of failure for eternity.
Your opinion is totally is - sorry to say that - irrelevant. You have no evidence, the FBI has no evidence, the FBI knows it, you don't.

Good job posting torture, which the soldiers responsible were punished. Do those things and go to prison, good for you exposing bad people go to prison for doing bad things. Super job. Please don't throw me in the brier patch.
What a laugh! The soldiers who shot those images were punished because of international outrage. But there is a good documentary about these soldiers including a lot of interviews. Sure, you never watched that. They tell you a little bit about how your torture country club works.

I am against torture and terrorist flying planes into buildings. When will you provide proof UBL did not aid the 19 idiots who committed suicide on 911? Never? In 10 years? Next week? Any goal on this issue?
Nice turn. You have no evidence that he is guilty that's why I should present evidence that he is innocent? Your torture-loving mind seems to be toasted in some way. How poor is that?
Do you ******* job! You say he is guilty. Present evidence!
Look at your FBI most wanted page for updates!

Still in the dark on objects surviving aircraft crashes? Got physics?
I explained it. Show me that you understand the basics while posing as "aircraft accident investigator".

Did someone post mistreatment, and name it torture? Was that a photo of torturing the dead? Is that torture, posing stupid with the dead?
That man was tortured to death during interrogation by the military intelligence.

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Concerning the claim that the passports were planted: Why would they bother? What does it add to the story? There was no need to “plant passports”. We’ve never seen anyone say “they must have been on the planes because look, the NYPD found that passport”. It’s completely unnecessary, and is only ever used as evidence of an “inside job”....

You use the victims as excuse for physical nonsense or the lack of evidence?

Thanks to your vulgar excuse I conclude that neither hip nor passport bounced back from the building (a claim that "No Planers" like). The reason for that is not a question of whether or not a passport might survive a plane crash. The reason for that is velocity, acceleration, inertia...
Even one engine of UA175 damaged a building several blocks away because it simply moved on.
In short, there is no freakin' way for a passport from the cockpit of AA11 to escape during the first 5 meters of impact and to bounce back sailing against the wind down to Vesey St. Who ever told you that story told you a blatant lie.

There was no need to “plant passports”? Really? ...because why?

Is it because Gonzalez relays that Ong is saying the hijackers from seats 2A and 2B are in the cockpit with the pilots? (That's recorded.)

Is it because Marquis later recollects that Ong said the four hijackers had come from first-class seats: 2A, 2B, 9A, and 9B? (That's not recorded and 9B was allegedly the seat of the killed passenger.)

Is it because Amy Sweeney gave for the hijackers at about the same time: 9D, 9G, and 10B but nothing about 2A and 2B? (That's not recorded too.)

She also says the hijackers have brought a bomb into the cockpit. Woodward asks Sweeney, “How do you know it’s a bomb?” She answers, “Because the hijackers showed me a bomb.” She describes its yellow and red wires.
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/planes_reconstruction.htm
That conversation is not recorded and contradicts Ong in several parts. Nevertheless, in the end we have allegedly 5 hijackers, mace in business class and the hijackers in the cockpit with the pilots.

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...makes 7 people in the cockpit, 2 stabbed, 1 killed, mace, evacuation.

Is it thinkable that 21 passengers from business class and first class were evacuated into the back rows of economy class and the people in the economy class still believe a medical emergency is taking place in first class?

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Would the people in economy still believe in a medical emergency even if the flight attendants talk about an erratic flight or a rapid decent? Is it thinkable that the passengers were quite all the time? ...even if no message from the cockpit reached the passengers because high-precision pilot Atta pushed 3 times the wrong button?
...answering the question of Boston Center by repeating his address to the passengers?

Boston: "American 11, are you trying to call?"
Voice: "No body move! ... you endanger yourself and the airplane."



Do you really want to know something about that voice? No, I guess you are not interested because you think you already know it all.



 
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The problem about Vesey St is the same problem like all the paper visible in this shots...
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You do realize that this wall was specifically designed to resist an impact, right? IIRC, it was for a nuclear power plant.

Not to mention that the wall is like 3' or so thick? Made of steel and concrete DESIGNED to resist an impact.

WTC's were not designed to do that.
 

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