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Arizona counter sues Feds over immigration.

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http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/raw:-read-arizona's-suit-against-u.s.

one of the counts:

The United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4, requires the United States to protect Arizona against invasion and domestic violence. The word “invasion” does not necessarily mean invasion of one country by another, but can mean large numbers of illegal immigrants from various countries

And

V. Count Five – 10th Amendment.
The 10th Amendment provides that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution . . . are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” While control of the border is a federal responsibility, illegal aliens who successfully cross the border and commit crimes in Arizona become an Arizona responsibility. By not doing its job, and using its alleged “preemption” rights to stop Arizona from performing its law enforcement obligations, the United States is violating Arizona’s 10th Amendment rights. Count Five seeks an injunction

This should be interesting.
 
I don't think Arizona will be happy until things flare up into an all out race war.
 
Seems to me that an order from a President is all it would take to control our borders. The laws are already there, he would only need to order his branches to enforce them.

But the GOP wants cheap labor, and the Dems expect new voters.

But in lieu of the feds enforcing immigration laws, can't the Arizona law enforcement people merely escort illegals to the Arizona southern border? Don't the local officers take an oath to enforce federal laws?
 
The State of Arizona wants the feds to prevent people from illegally coming into the state. And since the feds are demonstrably unable to do that, they want to be legally able to (try to) do it themselves. What horrible, evil, racists bastards.
 
I don't think Arizona will be happy until things flare up into an all out race war.
Why the need to villify fellow Americans? Do you think citizens of Arizona might be happy if the border was enforced? Is that too much to ask? When will Mexico be happy?
 
Seems to me that an order from a President is all it would take to control our borders. The laws are already there, he would only need to order his branches to enforce them.

So why didn't Reagan do that and win the war on drugs? And of course what are you stopping enforcing to free up the manpower?
 
Seems to me that an order from a President is all it would take to control our borders.

Yeah, that's right. That's the ticket. And he could do the same to end rape, robbery, embezzlement, and the failure of kids to listen up when their fathers talk to them.
 
WOW! I remember so many of you screaming how evil arizona was for trying to do it themselves and that they should ask washington to do it

Now they ask washington to do it and you villify them some more. I have a hard time finding any other explanation than that a lot of you are just plain bigots
 
WOW! I remember so many of you screaming how evil arizona was for trying to do it themselves and that they should ask washington to do it

Now they ask washington to do it and you villify them some more. I have a hard time finding any other explanation than that a lot of you are just plain bigots

..by SUING them. Yeah, that's sure a good way to do it.
 
I can't say it's impressing me, but then again, I'm also aware Arizona is trying to draw attention to their problem, and that draws more than other methods.

I don't think drawing attention is what they're after. Attention and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's.

They're doing some smart things and some really dumb things, because you've got the idiot fringe involved in the process.

The notion of attempting to decide, on a state level, who is and isn't a US citizen is bonkers and doomed in the courts, for example.

But the initial law, the one taken up by so many other states, was (and is) an attempt to move illegal aliens from the state system, where the feds were content to let them linger, into the federal system.

For many years now, the feds have been content to do very little about the illegal aliens and leave the states to deal with the problem. By requiring state and local law enforcement to check immigration status and hand illegals over to the feds, Arizona intended to move the illegal immigrants into the federal system.

Of course, that would overwhelm the federal system if all states did it, and so you get the push-back.

Yes, there are political points to be scored here, but the most pressing need is to offload the illegal aliens onto the feds.
 
I for one, might be cynically amused at the thought of Arizona government sending troops to guard the border against invaders we were also selling guns to.
 
Yes, I realize that. But there's no resources available and that's why I'm not impressed.

But you're not required to be impressed. Your state of impressedness/non-impressedness is irrelevant to the reality of the political fight that's going on between Arizona and the feds.

The fact is, it could very well be that Arizona will indeed get SCOTUS to agree that the feds have to accept a deluge of new cases offloaded to them from the states.
 
I for one, might be cynically amused at the thought of Arizona government sending troops to guard the border against invaders we were also selling guns to.

The Arizona government sold guns to nobody. Guns shops in Arizona have sold guns to individuals who were legally allowed to buy them and them illegally sold them to bad guys.
 
But you're not required to be impressed. Your state of impressedness/non-impressedness is irrelevant to the reality of the political fight that's going on between Arizona and the feds.

The fact is, it could very well be that Arizona will indeed get SCOTUS to agree that the feds have to accept a deluge of new cases offloaded to them from the states.

I'm just echoing my opinion. Ultimately, yeah, it's up to SCOTUS
 

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