• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

Status
Not open for further replies.
_______________________________

Dan,

The wooden door proper was probably never locked by the cops, and so was subject to being blown open by the wind. The accordion steel door was probably secured by the cops using a padlock. Using a police padlock would permit those---and only those---with authorization to enter the front door.

///


I don't find your theory remotely plausible even for ILE. There is no reason not to have locked the main door. They could have gotten a key from the landlord if for some reason they didn't want to use the key already in their possession. The fully tracked folding retractible security gate in this application would be equipped with a double cylinder lock so it could be used from either inside or out. I see no evidence of this presumed police padlock.

If the police wanted to use their own key to limit access, the gate lock most probably uses one of the standard euro cylinders that like the lock on the door can be replaced quite easily. Though since there is no mention of changing the locks I suspect it didn't happen.
 
The War Against Women / Update

Sabrina Misseri spends her 23rd birthday in prison. Accused of murdering her cousin, Sarah Scazzi.

Her last chance to get out of jail a month or two in the future, before the Supreme Court.

The prosecutors say they have strong evidence against her, stronger than accusations from her own father

See Here and English Translation

Edited by kmortis: 
Removed hotlinked image

Do not hotlink without the expressed consent of the hosting site.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis

///
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sabrina Misseri spends her 23rd birthday in prison. Accused of murdering her cousin, Sarah Scazzi.

Her last chance to get out of jail a month or two in the future, before the Supreme Court.

The prosecutors say they have strong evidence against her, stronger than accusations from her own father

Yes. They would say that. They have backed themselves into a corner and refuse to acknowledge any possibility that they are wrong. The pattern of coming up with a far fetched theory and making the evidence fit that theory continues, in my opinion.
 
Daily Mail.

A search for "Daily Mail" and "Amanda Knox" will turn up many of the articles published in this horrible so-called newspaper covering the arrest and imprisonment of Amanda Knox (Raffaele Sollicito gets a metion once or twice in them).

Most have comments enabled, and these comments can in turn can be 'rated' up or down, presumably with a restriction of one rating per comment per IP address.

But check them out. Every single comment will have dozens, even hundreds of positve ratings for AK/RS guilt advocates, and an equally large number of negatives for those comments which support AK and RS, or are critical of the Italian authorities (or should that be, simply, the authorities?)

Is there really such a clear cut "concensus" among those readinfg these articles and comments, or is there something a little fishy going on here?

For an example of concerted effort to skew 'polls' created onm the internet, search for "Israel" and "magaphone desktop tool".
 
A search for "Daily Mail" and "Amanda Knox" will turn up many of the articles published in this horrible so-called newspaper covering the arrest and imprisonment of Amanda Knox (Raffaele Sollicito gets a metion once or twice in them).

Most have comments enabled, and these comments can in turn can be 'rated' up or down, presumably with a restriction of one rating per comment per IP address.

But check them out. Every single comment will have dozens, even hundreds of positve ratings for AK/RS guilt advocates, and an equally large number of negatives for those comments which support AK and RS, or are critical of the Italian authorities (or should that be, simply, the authorities?)

Is there really such a clear cut "concensus" among those readinfg these articles and comments, or is there something a little fishy going on here?

For an example of concerted effort to skew 'polls' created onm the internet, search for "Israel" and "magaphone desktop tool".

Supernaut

Not sure I follow, how do polls influence what is happening?
 
Last edited:
If Nara heard a scream originating from the apartment at around 11:30 pm that night it would seem to indicate that Meredith Kercher's bedroom door was not yet locked, which then does lend slight credence to my own theory that it was later on, probably after the Domus nightclub had closed, that Rudy Guede re-entered the gals apartment, checked up on Meredith Kercher, sexually assaulted her, cleaned himself up a bit, locked her bedroom door, and split.

If so, I believe that someone else also entered the gals apartment open front door before Rudy Guede came back, and upon looking in her unlocked bedroom and seeing Meredith Kercher lying dead, without a duvet covering her, this person screamed loud enough that Nara Capezzali heard it at about 11:30pm, and this person(s) afterwards left fast also...

Could this have been possible? Do you have any thoughts on this?
Thanks for your opinion, RWVBWL

This is a very convoluted explanation for Nara's scream. The fact is that we don't know not only if she heard it, but also when. The 11:30 is a very arbitrary prosecution's speculation. Apart from this I don't think your scenario fits the physical evidence.
 
From what it sounds like Lifetime may be up for "the dingo ate my baby" award

Let them run it, itll be egg on their face later
 
A search for "Daily Mail" and "Amanda Knox" will turn up many of the articles published in this horrible so-called newspaper covering the arrest and imprisonment of Amanda Knox (Raffaele Sollicito gets a metion once or twice in them).

Most have comments enabled, and these comments can in turn can be 'rated' up or down, presumably with a restriction of one rating per comment per IP address.

But check them out. Every single comment will have dozens, even hundreds of positve ratings for AK/RS guilt advocates, and an equally large number of negatives for those comments which support AK and RS, or are critical of the Italian authorities (or should that be, simply, the authorities?)

Is there really such a clear cut "concensus" among those readinfg these articles and comments, or is there something a little fishy going on here?
.

Most likely a selection effect having to do with the kind of people who read the Daily Mail.
 
suspect analysis with respect to the clasp

To all,

First, my most recent message on the DNA on the bra clasp is here. A proper analysis of the bra clasp would include an identification of the stutter peaks, which are mentioned in the message linked above. It also contains some references to the problem of subjectivity in the interpretation of DNA mixtures. Second, here is a good discussion of how to minimize observer effects in DNA forensics. Note that the proposal indicates that the investigator should not have access to the reference samples. In other words, one wrong way to analyze an evidence sample would be to lay reference samples on top of it and look for matches. As far as I am aware, it would be OK to do so after the analysis were complete, simply to present the data.

Third, here are some thoughts on the “Professor Tagliabracci then maintained that this suspect-centric method was detectible in Dr. Stefanoni’s report and presentation because, he affirmed, it was a case of ‚forcing the profile obtained < eliminating or leaving out alleles [257] solely for the purpose of making that profile compatible with Raffaele Sollecito’s profile‛.” (Massei Report, p. 241)

As I interpret his remarks, Dr. Tagliabracci criticized Dr. Stefanoni for choosing smaller peaks in the clasp profile that happened to be in Raffaele's reference profile over larger peaks that did not. If Dr. Stefanoni did so because she had prior knowledge of Raffaele’s profile, then that analysis is open to question, as indicated above. Dr. Tagliabracci implied that this was a problem. “He pointed out that that there is a significant subjective element in reading the electropherograms. He focused in particular on locus D5S818, in which two principal alleles are present; together with a third peak with a height of 108 RFU; as this is higher than 50 RFU, it should have been considered an allele. Forensics [la Polizia Scientifica] did not, however, consider this to be the case; instead, they considered the 65 RFU peak to be an allele and observed that, in this way, a compatibility with Raffaele Sollecito’s profile resulted, which otherwise would not have been the case (page 59). With reference to this, Professor Tagliabracci repeated that there was a forced interpretation, which was typical of a suspect-centric attitude (page 60).” (Massei Report, p. 242) The quotation above only gives the peak height in RFU, not the number of repeats, which gives the location along the time (x) axis. I do not know which peaks are meant.

The Massei report gives several instances where Dr. Tagliabracci differed with Dr. Stefanoni with respect to the interpretation of certain alleles. However, it is possible for DNA belonging to Raffaele to have highly unequal peak heights, namely that the non-Meredith DNA is in the low template number range. This could lead to large disparities in peak heights in the two alleles within any locus because of stochastic effects. If the low-template number explanation is invoked, then the standard protocol for dealing with low template DNA is to run the sample at least twice. Dr. Tagliabracci noted this issue. (Massei report, p. 240)

My best guess on the clasp is that there is likely to be a partial profile corresponding to Raffaele’s DNA (but possibly not a full profile), and there at least one other contributor as well, apart from Meredith obviously). I think that Dr. Tagliabracci’s critique of the analysis is probably correct, but the more important question is how did the DNA get there. I think that secondary transfer, contamination, and evidence-tampering are all roughly equally likely.

I am suspending my commenting in this thread indefinitely. I can be reached via PMs for the time being.
 
That would make sense of the theatrical manner in which the investigators are behaving in the film. It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that questions would be asked over the way they seem to know that the item would be made to be significant "evidence", in advance of testing.

One of the ironies of this case is this:

- when Amanda can be argued to have had knowledge that she shouldn't have, the pro-guilt faction seize upon it to support their accusations against her;
- when the investigators act in a manner clearly showing they have knowledge they shouldn't have (also in guessing where the "murder weapon" would be found), it's not even remarked upon.

I would like to seconds Mary H and also say some good points Anthony.
Tomorrow is a big day for Amanda and Raffaele it is the first day of the much hoped for DNA reexamination by independent scientists

Stefano Conti has already upset the prosecution by asking if they can take apart the handle of the knife to see if the police neglected to immerse it in Merridiths blood

Carla Vecchiotti,is a consultant for Sabrina Misseri's defence,she has first hand evidence of how the police abuse there power,she may well be shocked at her inability to get her innocent client released

She now has a real chance to stop the police continuing a miscarriage of justice,she and Stefano Conti can demand to be given the electronic data the FSA files there analysis cannot and will not be brushed aside in this case like it appears Carla Vecchiotti is been brushed aside in the Sarah Scazzi case

This is now a world stage for these two scientists,some very knowledgeable people think that Hellmann will do what is necessary to protect the system,but I think that they are wrong my take on all of his actions so far is that he will do what is necessary to protect his own reputation,Chris Mellas in an interview said that some DNA scientists were offering themselves as advisers to Amanda's family for the publicity it would get them,Stefana Conti and Carla Vecchiotti have been offered the chance to become internationally famous,they will be well aware that Mignini, Stefanoni and Massei thought that they could fool the world,but the were wrong and are now seen for what they are "freaks"who have attracted a following of a handful of other freaks,I await Carla Vecchiotti and Stefano Conti's report with optimism
 
Stefano Conti has already upset the prosecution by asking if they can take apart the handle of the knife to see if the police neglected to immerse it in Merridiths blood

What the heck does this mean?
 
What the heck does this mean?

Evidence tampering of course.

Seriously, I can't believe how anyone would think that the tactic of the defense is to say "see, no blood inside the knife, this means that the blood on the knife was planted".
 
Evidence tampering of course.

Seriously, I can't believe how anyone would think that the tactic of the defense is to say "see, no blood inside the knife, this means that the blood on the knife was planted".

What else can they do?
 
Evidence tampering of course.

Seriously, I can't believe how anyone would think that the tactic of the defense is to say "see, no blood inside the knife, this means that the blood on the knife was planted".

There was NO blood on the knife. There was MK DNA, but how it got there is a mystery. I don't know how you can say, "blood on the knife" after all this time.
 
I must have missed the posts you had here. I am interested.

I may return and post this at a later time Alt+F4, my heart was not in it today but I am glad someone was interested. As of now I am also discontinuing any further posts on this thread.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom