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Merged Their Return

devnull said:
Personally Im still wondering about the "next step in evolution".

Does KOTA know something about evolution that I dont?
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Going from living in portable animal skin tents to living in brick homes with climate control would be 'progress' or a step in evolution.

Passing technology on to someone who lacks it is aiding them in their evolution.

When our heavenly onlookers decide to descend, knowledge of their very existence, will have a profound and lasting effect on our further development.

The only thing I claim to know that you don't, is that 'they' exist...
 
bruto said:
If you thought about this for a moment or two perhaps you'd come to realize how stupid that is.
Who would make the effort to win such a game?
edit to add: My opinion here, not shared, it seems on further research, by some, including that old crank Joseph Campbell, who insisted that it was the captain of the winning team who lost his head. I will concede that the stupidity may be either Campbell's or the Mayans' rather than KoA's! And you know this just how?
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Is it stupid to throw your body on a grenade to save the rest of your unit? To some, maybe, to others it is the highest form of bravery. Now if the guy in charge says we need a human sacrifice to appease the gods, and he starts eyeing one of your kids, I don't think it is beyond reason to think that a parent would volunteer in place of their child.

You are looking at death, in a manner different than the Maya. You wouldn't get me into a cockpit into a WWII Japanese plane to fly into a U.S. destroyer, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen hundreds of times.

Given I never attended a Mayan ball game, I don't know who got the honor of being a gift to the gods, but I am certainly not arrogant enough to say that everyone in the history of time feels the same way about death and sacrifice as modern man or society does now.
 
King of the Americas said:
Going from living in portable animal skin tents to living in brick homes with climate control would be 'progress' or a step in evolution.

Passing technology on to someone who lacks it is aiding them in their evolution.
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Only for an extremely broad definition of the word "evolution".

When our heavenly onlookers decide to descend, knowledge of their very existence, will have a profound and lasting effect on our further development.

The only thing I claim to know that you don't, is that 'they' exist...
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But you don't really "know" it, do you? You just believe.
 
King of the Americas said:
...you guys are way off...

...I think they arrive to expand our notion of what is possible...
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We humans are ALWAYS expanding our notion of what is possible. We are doing things today that were practically impossible ten years ago.

It was less than a century ago that many people considered it impossible to synch up sound with film to make a "talkie". Just ten years later, it was routine.
 
aggle-rithm said:
We humans are ALWAYS expanding our notion of what is possible. We are doing things today that were practically impossible ten years ago.

It was less than a century ago that many people considered it impossible to synch up sound with film to make a "talkie". Just ten years later, it was routine.
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Those are baby steps...

Knowledge of them will catapult mankind forward into an unimaginable future.
 
King of the Americas said:
Those are baby steps...

Knowledge of them will catapult mankind forward into an unimaginable future.
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Um... allow me to point out to you that the ancient civilizations who(supposedly) had knowledge of them in the past were all catapulted into non-existence.
 
King of the Americas said:
I 'know' they exist, like I know there are cats in my neighborhood, even if I've never touched one of them.
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Yes, but it's common knowledge that cats exist. It's not a huge leap to say that if there are catlike objects roaming in your neighborhood, that there are cats there.

What you're doing is saying that because you have seen things you can't explain (or at least you can't explain the likely flawed memory of them), that it is reasonable to assume they can be attributed to god-like beings who are watching us and will show up some day to change our lives.

That is a HUGE leap of logic.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Yes, but it's common knowledge that cats exist. It's not a huge leap to say that if there are catlike objects roaming in your neighborhood, that there are cats there.

What you're doing is saying that because you have seen things you can't explain (or at least you can't explain the likely flawed memory of them), that it is reasonable to assume they can be attributed to god-like beings who are watching us and will show up some day to change our lives.

That is a HUGE leap of logic.
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There ARE places where knowledge of heaven agents is common, just not 'here'.

The only huge leap being made here is skeptics dismissing out of hand, reports, historical accounts, videos, pictures, and paintings of these heaven agents as anecdotal.

Truly it takes superior ignorance to accomplish the feat, but many here complete the task daily without effort.
 
King of the Americas said:
There ARE places where knowledge of heaven agents is common, just not 'here'.
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And these places can join the "heaven agents" as unknown and unnecessary entities.

The only huge leap being made here is skeptics dismissing out of hand, reports, historical accounts, videos, pictures, and paintings of these heaven agents as anecdotal.

Truly it takes superior ignorance to accomplish the feat, but many here complete the task daily without effort.
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Let's test that assumption.

Can you answer this question?

"If the heaven agents did not exist, then how would you know?"

In other words: By what criteria do you separate reports that are fraudulent or mistaken from those that are 100% accurate(Ditto with historical reports)? By what criteria do you separate videos and pictures of mundane events from those that MUST BE EVIDENCE OF HEAVEN AGENTS? By what criteria do you separate paintings of fantasy from those of verifiable fact? And, of those that are verifiable fact, what is the chain of logic that you follow from "something unexplainable" to "heaven agents"?
 
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