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Bill Gates and Vaccines

Nice link. Thanks.

I suspect Bill's voice is recognizable, but I wish he had chosen someone else to narrate the video. His voice grates on my nerves ears. :D
 
Here is a CNN interview with Gates, He is committing 10 Billion dollars over the next 10 years to Vaccination. He also pulls no punches about Wakefield and anti-vaxxers.

Gates: Well, Dr. Wakefield has been shown to have used absolutely fraudulent data. He had a financial interest in some lawsuits, he created a fake paper, the journal allowed it to run. All the other studies were done, showed no connection whatsoever again and again and again. So it's an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these vaccines are important.
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This has been a major topic here, and I hope the JREF, the organization and the community, will find ways to stand behind Gates and support his cause.
 
I already liked the guy and things he has done. This just makes me happy.
 
The WHO and UNICEF have released a seven-point treatment and prevention plan to reduce the number of children around the world who die from diarrhea, the BBC reports (10/14). BMJ News writes, "Every year 1.5 million children aged under 5 years die from diarrhoea, more than 80% of them in Africa and south Asia" (Zarocostas, 10/14). This amounts to more annual childhood deaths than from AIDS, malaria and measles combined, according to the BBC (10/14).
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/167619.php


The report, Diarrhoea: why children are still dying and what can be done, lays out a seven-point plan that includes a treatment package to reduce childhood diarrhoea deaths and a prevention strategy to ensure long-term results. The seven specific points are:
* fluid replacement to prevent dehydration; * zinc treatment; * rotavirus and measles vaccinations;
* promotion of early and exclusive breastfeeding and vitamin A supplementation; * promotion of hand washing with soap; * improved water supply quantity and quality, including treatment and safe storage of household water; and * community-wide sanitation promotion.
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http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2009/childhood_deaths_diarrhoea_20091014/en/index.html


I guess the less glamorous methods don't appeal to Mr Gates sensibilities as they decentralize the responsibility, something all his money comes from avoiding.

Oh and why is this in the science section or are we finally admitting science is guided by money and opinion?
 
Cognitive dissonance time. How can I like and admire the things like this that Bill Gates does and says, yet still hate him with a passion every time I get a Blue Screen Of Death? I can't stand the confusion in my mind!
 
!Kaggen said:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/167619.php


http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2009/childhood_deaths_diarrhoea_20091014/en/index.html


I guess the less glamorous methods don't appeal to Mr Gates sensibilities as they decentralize the responsibility, something all his money comes from avoiding.

Oh and why is this in the science section or are we finally admitting science is guided by money and opinion?
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When was the last time you gave billions of dollars to fight disease?
 
Vaccines are hardly the only scope of the Gates effort - malaria nets, clean water are as well.
Some methodologies listed are not needing money so much as boots on the ground education.
Gate's grants are very wide ranging and follow very much in the footsteps of the Rockefeller Foundation which funded public health in North America - in many cases introducing the concept.
 
macdoc said:
Vaccines are hardly the only scope of the Gates effort - malaria nets, clean water are as well.
Some methodologies listed are not needing money so much as boots on the ground education.
Gate's grants are very wide ranging and follow very much in the footsteps of the Rockefeller Foundation which funded public health in North America - in many cases introducing the concept.
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Sure there is hope

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/agriculturaldevelopment/Pages/default.aspx

but I am not counting my chickens just yet.
 
!Kaggen said:
When I become a billionaire I 'll let you know.
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In other words, Bill Gates has done far more good for the world than you ever have or will. Yet you're trying to make him the bad guy simply because you think that he should spend his money on different efforts.
 
dtugg said:
In other words, Bill Gates has done far more good for the world than you ever have or will. Yet you're trying to make him the bad guy simply because you think that he should spend his money on different efforts.
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Nice strawman
 
dtugg said:
That is exactly what you did. No strawman.
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Nope Mr Gates can spend his money how he wants and of course he does. That does not automatically mean he is right or a bad guy. I am only skeptical of his and his followers motives when they claim they are being objective and scientific in their funding decisions when clearly they are not.

Also what has my current and future contributions got to do with my argument?
 
Vaccine-preventable diseases

The burden
In 2002, WHO estimated that 1.4 million of deaths among children under 5 years were due to diseases that could have been prevented by routine vaccination. This represents 14% of global total mortality in children under 5 years of age
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http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/diseases/en/

Our focus is clear—and limited—and prioritizes some of the most neglected issues.
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http://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/Pages/guiding-principles.aspx
 
!Kaggen said:
Nope Mr Gates can spend his money how he wants and of course he does. That does not automatically mean he is right or a bad guy. I am only skeptical of his and his followers motives when they claim they are being objective and scientific in their funding decisions when clearly they are not.

Also what has my current and future contributions got to do with my argument?
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The Grand Challenges for Global Health was set up to address the major global health concerns under the auspices of the Gates Foundation. These Challenges were agreed by science experts. If the major issues to global health are identified by a group consensus because these diseases kill the most people how is that not objective? What would you rather see the money spent on?
 
Capsid said:
The Grand Challenges for Global Health was set up to address the major global health concerns under the auspices of the Gates Foundation. These Challenges were agreed by science experts. If the major issues to global health are identified by a group consensus because these diseases kill the most people how is that not objective? What would you rather see the money spent on?
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I'll take, "Anything but vaccines" for $400, Alex.


Hint: !Kaggan is an anti-vaxxer.
 
Capsid said:
The Grand Challenges for Global Health was set up to address the major global health concerns under the auspices of the Gates Foundation. These Challenges were agreed by science experts. If the major issues to global health are identified by a group consensus because these diseases kill the most people how is that not objective?
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Commonly known as the argument from authority.

Capsid said:
What would you rather see the money spent on?
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First off we are talking about Bill Gates's money not "the money".
As I have already stated he can and does spend it on whatever he wants, I have no issues with this.
What I have issues with is the patronizing attitude of Bill Gates and the scientific elite (who receive Bill Gates's money) when they try to justify how they spend it by claiming their cause is scientific and objective. That is nonsense. They are just in a position of power and they are exercising it like any other person would in that position.

and

If I had money to give away I would spend it on third world food security.
I don't need to pretend there is an objective/scientific reason for this, its what I think is important.
 
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