Wake up West. Wake up Obama. Islamic filth is coming to your town.

[DavidJames]

We (tens of millions out of 6.7 billion people of the world) the qualified people will go on strike and the world will starve.

Remind me again about your qualifications and how you going on strike will impact me? And please be very specific and show your work.

 

[timf1234]

We are laughing at your blather because it is superstitious.

Yah, but you couldn't answer or counter argue my following argument. You just ran.

Why do the idiot investor class think they have a right to expect working people to operate at a loss?

No, we do not have the right to expect working people to operate at a loss.
How could I say that? I am preaching everyone to operate for profit.
NO. no.. no. you working class do not have to operate in loss. Please don’t.
I will just find someone who will do the same job for profit elsewhere. If I can’t then I will come back to you to pay you the higher wages.
It turns out that you are a very inefficient worker. You can’t turn a profit by working $5.0/hr. But the guy in Bangladesh could make profit by working for $3.00/hr. for me. Why should I hire you? Are you cute?

 

[timf1234]

Do you have any actual peer-reviewed numbers to support your assertion that the US has multi-millionaires and/or self made millionares on a per-capita basis, that the reason for that is a direct consequence of the regulatory regime in the US compared to everywhere else, and (most important) that said self-made millionaires are morally superior to the rest of us, or are you just making it up as you go along?

Are you still living in the past century?
20 years ago, before the internet came along, for every paper you had to include all the references, source of data source. Because those days it used to take hours or some time days to find the answer to your questions. But now, no more.

I or any other smart, knowledgeable people no longer require anyone else to include the references for simple common thing. You can do your own research and in less than hour will know the truth. Of course, you can't believe everything you read on the internet. But when you consult multiple sources and always apply "Qualified, 3rd Party, Double Blind, Successive Approximation, Statistical Method" then most smart people will be able to sort out truth from lies.

Yes, if I have something ready at hand I will include that as link but I am not going to do your job. You do research for your benefit.

So now, move your lazy liberal butt and do some research on the net.
Then tell me, Which of the 2007 or so countries of the world has most efficient set up for entrepreneur minded people to be successful, statistically.

I also have admitted, Europe and Canada is better for the bottom 30% or so people.
Fact 1: US healthcare is not as efficient as EU. But if you are rich and money is no object for your health then US is the place to get the best healthcare.

Fact 2: US is not in the top 10 in high school math or science.

Now, imagine if someone had told me Fact 2 and I had asked him the source of reference then that would have showed my ignorance about the world we live in. These days, smart people don't need to ask for references. Everything is available on the net. Just do your own research.

Grow up and learn about the world we live in. Also learn how to process the data/information. Be objective. You and I do not have to be married with liberalism or conservatism. Instead, we should pick and chose good things from each, adapt and preach that. Both camps have good and bad things.

These days, smart people don't need to ask for references. Everything is available on the net. Just do your own research.

....that the reason for that is a direct consequence of the regulatory regime in the US compared to everywhere else,

The real world is fuzzy logic.
No data will show you with 100% confidence the direct cause of US higher index of production of millionaires. It is a black box test.
For the last decades, almost every year data shows that US produces more self-made millionaires than any other country of the world except Hong Kong (population adjusted). It is also shows that US is relatively more conservative than Europe. Even the Muslim immigrants showed better result in the US than in Europe. And there are other dozens of reasons that you need to put together objectively and then form an opinion.

[ "....and (most important) that said self-made millionaires are morally superior to the rest of us, or are you just making it up as you go along?]

Morally superior, implies overall morally superior. I am not sure about that.
But as far as production of wealth by entrepreneur is concerned I am reasonably confident that entitlement mentality, food stamps, unemployment, racist policy known as affirmative actions, higher taxes, are not the catalysts for it. This is called wisdom.

 

[DavidJames]

Grow up and learn about the world we live in. Also learn how to process the data/information. Be objective. You and I do not have to be married with liberalism or conservatism. Instead, we should pick and chose good things from each, adapt and preach that. Both camps have good and bad things.

So liberalism and conservatism both have good and bad things. From that I can assume since you consider liberalism to mental illness, you feel the same about conservatism?

These days, smart people don't need to ask for references. Everything is available on the net. Just do your own research.

Sorry, sparky, the way things work in this forum is the person making the claim must support it. As for now, until you do, I will assume you are just making stuff up.

 

[nescafe]

In seriousness, your ill-thought economic philosophy disregards and blatantly ignores the efforts and inputs of the worker into the system. The idealized millionaire capitalist you're envisioning can only have gotten where he is due to other peoples' efforts. These efforts may have been at his direction, but there is very little room to do it entirely on your own.

What, are you saying that I cannot divide society into the Good Rich Creators, the Eager Helpers of Creators Who Are Not Smart Enough To Be Creators, and Entitlement Seeking Scum?

 

[timf1234]

Aside from stimulus measures like cash for clunkers and the first time homebuyer tax credits and energy policy forcing measures like green energy vouchers are avaialble to anyone who met the criterion at the time -- you could have been a billionaire and received those. For the others, they are their because it is hard to get an education and a healthy diet for your kids when you are working 12 - 18 hour days at minimum wage just to pay the rent and keep the power on in the winter, much less to be able to afford the education that might be able to get you out of the trap you and your kids would otherwise be stuck in.

Do you know any actual poor people? What makes you think they are incompetent? Do you have any knowledge of what creates and sustains poverty?

Yes, I do. I do it very well.
Statistically speaking, the number 1 reason why anyone in the US, Europe, Australia ( in industrialized countries - I am not talking about the countries of thugs as in the 3rd world countries) is not a millionaire is that they got bad software in their head. Their OS system to function in the real world is not in synch with reality, as seems to be the case with you.). Other reason is that he/she doesn't want to be a millionaire. For him/her other things have more importance than money. He/she doesn't want to pay the price.

Most powerful weapon or asset is not nukes, aircraft carriers, war machines, or gold, oil, diamond but your connectome. Once you understand, digest, and practice your life will change for good and for good.

Most people subconsciously want something for nothing. They want more money but do not want to pay the price for it. Of course, they will neither say this nor will realize this from their conscious mind. Your subconscious mind is you. When you understand the laws of nature and practice accordingly your subconscious mind get in synch. with the reality then you see the magic. You will be rich. Information in your subconscious mind has invisible hand.

You asked

"Do you have any knowledge of what creates and sustains poverty?"

Yes, I do.
It is what in your head, your faith, belief, your brain OS, the things you consider true or false, good or bad, right and wrong, is the cause of poverty or the riches. It is that simple.
I know, most probably, you did not get.

Society and the governance thereof is not a game.

Only fool say that.
Of course, it is not a game as a football game or a game of table tennis.
That was a metaphor.
Point is games has rules. Life has rule. Life and universal rules are more complex and far more in number. Therefore, it is not as easy to navigate as a game of poker. But nevertheless, it is rule based and has element of surprises, accidents, luck, and sometime rules doesn't work for certain situation. Yes, all that is true. But still the best way to play the game is being rational, logical, just and follow the truth. It is not a perfect method but this is the best we can do.

No my point 3 stands. Ever heard of a company called Enron? IIRC, their management was just fine with letting parts of California suffer from rolling brownouts and blackouts just so that they could increase their takings from brokering energy sales. Sounds pretty sociopathic to me.

[/quote]
There will always people like that. We need to catch them, try them, and put them to jail if found guilty. This method might not be perfect but this is the best we can do.

You have yet to show how wealth is a direct and sole consequence of ones value system.

Wealth is neither the direct consequence nor the sole consequence of ones value system.

But if you ask me to bet, I will bet on good value system.
Sometime I might lose in this bet but I knowI will win more often than I lose. That is life. Living in a fuzsy logic world. As in quantum mechanics, I can't guarantee every event, but I can have probability of confidence.

It is a fact that Texas lottery produces dozens of millionaires every single year. But I will never recommend anyone to adapt that strategy as a mean of getting rich. I will bet on good value system. A good value system will make children to adapt the right path, finish their schooling, work on their passion, and make money. And, yes, everyone have to scarify something to get something.

My experience, knowledge and intelligence tells me that all universal happenings are like a chess game. In which nature plays the white, in other words has the advantages of the first move, whereas man plays the black, therefore, the outcome depends upon how adroitly a counter move is made by man.

Note: there are approximately 10e85 number of atoms in the visible universe (excluding the dark matter - dark matter is 90 to 95 percent of the universe.)
There are approximately 10e114 possible moves in a chess game.

please....please....don't ask me the source of those numbers.
That would show your ignorance and laziness.

If you want to destroy your own life and the life of the people around you then buy into this idea of liberalism, "Entitlement"

I preach "Self Reliance" not "Dependency"

 

[timf1234]

I admit I don't have the imagination you do, as I live in the real world.

As for the rest of your quasi-coherent ramblings, until you are able to support any of the claims you make, I'll assume you are just a self aggrandizing, narcissistic windbag, probably unemployed and collecting government assistance and at or below the level of incompetence you so ineloquently rant against.

probably unemployed and collecting government assistance and at or below the level of incompetence you so ineloquently rant against.

Thanks god, at least you are able to see that "unemployment" (and by that unemployment benefit, "Collecting Government Assistance", "incompetence", "in eloquence" are not virtues we should be preaching in the society as liberals have been doing it.

It is not about me it is about your sick ideology that is destroying the Western society.

 

[timf1234]

So liberalism and conservatism both have good and bad things. From that I can assume since you consider liberalism to mental illness, you feel the same about conservatism?
Sorry, sparky, the way things work in this forum is the person making the claim must support it. As for now, until you do, I will assume you are just making stuff up.

You can do this on your own peril and stay dependent.
You need to be sorry about yourself.
I do my own research, you can do yours.

 

[BNRT]

These days, smart people don't need to ask for references.

Wow, I really have to tell this to my teachers, who are smart people.

"The sentence 'Man kann die letztere die Materie der sinnlichen Erkenntnis nennen.' really is in the Kritik der reinen Vernunft. You're smart, you can look it up yourself."

 

[timf1234]

So liberalism and conservatism both have good and bad things. From that I can assume since you consider liberalism to mental illness, you feel the same about conservatism?

Yes, I do when it is a matter of their faith on Jesus walked on the water etc. and sometime their attempt to make laws to conform their divine wishes.

But conservative mental disorder is not the current problem. They are in check for now. Their stupid faith is not about to destroy the Western civilization, as we know it, from its root. But liberalism entitlement ideas, PC, blame it on others, dependency is in the process of destroying the West. When you destroy the value system of people, the value system that took the classical liberals 400 years to develop is now being destroyed by the lobotomized modern liberals.

 

[timf1234]

Wow, I really have to tell this to my teachers, who are smart people.

"The sentence 'Man kann die letztere die Materie der sinnlichen Erkenntnis nennen.' really is in the Kritik der reinen Vernunft. You're smart, you can look it up yourself."

There is a difference between knowing or not knowing a different language and facts like GDP, number of millionaires, or the population of the world.

 

[Chaos]

Wow, I really have to tell this to my teachers, who are smart people.

Actually, according to conservative dogma, teachers are part of the education system and thus die-hard liberal leftist progressive mutant commie traitors; thus they cannot possibly be smart.

 

[timf1234]

Actually, according to conservative dogma, teachers are part of the education system and thus die-hard liberal leftist progressive mutant commie traitors; thus they cannot possibly be smart.

Many professors, including the ones in the Ivy league universities are smart in many areas but when it comes to their value system and the value system that they are propagating are destructive to the society.

 

[BNRT]

There is a difference between knowing or not knowing a different language and facts like GDP, number of millionaires, or the population of the world.

The hypothetical teacher I would tell this to has (as far as I know) an intimate knowledge of both Kant and German. He would know what the sentence means. He could probably use some search function and an online version of the Kritik der reinen Vernunft (which is the Critique of Pure Reason, btw) to find out where it was.

He would still not give me a grade. Why? Because referencing is essential. If every scientist had to google every reference, too see wether it is correct, what book it's from or if the study is done right, I guess they would not be doing any science any more.

Many professors, including the ones in the Ivy league universities are smart in many areas but when it comes to their value system and the value system that they are propagating are destructive to the society.

Funny you should say that, when I was thinking about my philosophy teachers...

 

[Chaos]

Many professors, including the ones in the Ivy league universities are smart in many areas but when it comes to their value system and the value system that they are propagating are destructive to the society.

Funny that a proponent of rabid egoism accuses others of being "destructive to the society".

 

[timf1234]

The hypothetical teacher I would tell this to has (as far as I know) an intimate knowledge of both Kant and German. He would know what the sentence means. He could probably use some search function and an online version of the Kritik der reinen Vernunft (which is the Critique of Pure Reason, btw) to find out where it was.

He would still not give me a grade. Why? Because referencing is essential. If every scientist had to google every reference, too see wether it is correct, what book it's from or if the study is done right, I guess they would not be doing any science any more.


Funny you should say that, when I was thinking about my philosophy teachers...

Why? Because referencing is essential.
No, it is not essential when someone says world population is 6.7 billion or GDP of US is about 16 trillion dollars, or says, earth revolves around the world, or how many millionaires or billionaires are in the world. If you want to stick around 200 years old system of education then do it in your peril. Hundreds of years of old University system is good to create robots like you who can't have their own original thinking and just recite what professors brainwashed you about references. You care too much about the grades given to you by the professors. Your university doesn't teach you creativity nor the value system. It is your upbringing and value system that counts the most in the future outcome. Do not forget, that MR. Dell, Mr. Bill Gate, Thomas Edison are./were college drop out.

Whatever Mark Zuckerberg has achieved is not due to liberal brain washing by his professors but because his/her value system, upbringing, intelligence etc.



Grow up. Learn the nuances.

You must speak the common language AND your statement need to relavent and interesting then I will look it up.

For now you have no clue what "wisdom" mean. You have just rote knowledge.

Stop trusting every sentence Kant, or Buddha, or Spinoza said. They all were wrong in at least few ideas.
An idea must be judged by its own merit regardless of if it is coming from Kant or from some hot shot Nobel Prize winner.
Please quit processing words only, process the thought, the idea behind the words.

 

[BNRT]

timf1234, you were asked this:

Do you have any actual peer-reviewed numbers to support your assertion that the US has multi-millionaires and/or self made millionares on a per-capita basis, that the reason for that is a direct consequence of the regulatory regime in the US compared to everywhere else, and (most important) that said self-made millionaires are morally superior to the rest of us, or are you just making it up as you go along?

You replied with this:

[...]These days, smart people don't need to ask for references. Everything is available on the net. Just do your own research.[...]

Then I made fun of you to make a point. To which you replied with:

Why? Because referencing is essential.
No, it is not essential when someone says world population is 6.7 billion or GDP of US is about 16 trillion dollars, or says, earth revolves around the world.

Grow up. Learn the nuances.

You must speak the common language AND your statement need to relavent and interesting then I will look it up.

The reference asked for is not about some well known fact, but about scientific studies, which clearly is some other beast. To add to that, my thing about Kant was an example to show what would happen in the real world. It was not meant to be relevant.

For now you have no clue what "wisdom" mean. You have just rote knowledge.

I readily admit that I am not sure what 'wisdom' means. Do you know what it means? Could you enlighten me?

ETA: Ah, I see you added something:

Stop trusting every sentence Kant, or Buddha, or Spinoza said. They all were wrong in at least few ideas.
An idea must be judged by its own merit regardless of if it is coming from Kant or from some hot shot Nobel Prize winner.
Please quit processing words only, process the thought, the idea behind the words.

So you pretend you know me and pretend to know how much value attach to an author? You got to be kidding me. Really?

 

[nescafe]

Yes, I do. I do it very well.

No, you have no idea about the sources of poverty. Your own words illustrate this point.

Statistically speaking, the number 1 reason why anyone in the US, Europe, Australia ( in industrialized countries - I am not talking about the countries of thugs as in the 3rd world countries) is not a millionaire is that they got bad software in their head.

Wow, so what is the magic formula that will uplift all 309 million of us in the US to the magical social bracket currently occupied by less than 1% of its current population (all numbers as of 2009: millionaire count from wikipedia, US population data from google public data)

Their OS system to function in the real world is not in synch with reality, as seems to be the case with you.).

You know virtually nothing of me, but the personal insults are entertaining.

Other reason is that he/she doesn't want to be a millionaire. For him/her other things have more importance than money. He/she doesn't want to pay the price.

So not wanting to be a millionaire is now a result of a deranged mind, then? I must be horribly broken, then --becoming a millionaire is not a primary goal of mine, even though I will be worth somewhere around 2 million in current-day dollars by the time I retire (if my 401k forecast is to be trusted, I stay employed at roughly my current income level, and barring personal catastrophe or severe economic depression).

Most people subconsciously want something for nothing. They want more money but do not want to pay the price for it. Of course, they will neither say this nor will realize this from their conscious mind. Your subconscious mind is you. When you understand the laws of nature and practice accordingly your subconscious mind get in synch. with the reality then you see the magic. You will be rich. Information in your subconscious mind has invisible hand.

Sounds like you are mixing Ayn Rand and The Secret. Good luck with that.

Yes, I do.
It is what in your head, your faith, belief, your brain OS, the things you consider true or false, good or bad, right and wrong, is the cause of poverty or the riches. It is that simple.

No, poverty is not that simple.

 

[timf1234]

So not wanting to be a millionaire is now a result of a deranged mind, then? I must be horribly broken, then --becoming a millionaire is not a primary goal of mine, even though I will be worth somewhere around 2 million in current-day dollars by the time I retire (if my 401k forecast is to be trusted, I stay employed at roughly my curernt income level, and barring personal catastrophe or severe economic depression).

No. There is nothing wrong for not wanting to be millionaire.
If someone is satisfied with $50K/year income and with a net worth of $100K and value the time he spends with his/her family then that is perfectly normal and healthy. What is wrong is when the same guy coming and complaining about the riches of others.

A mountain climber enjoy mountain climbing. Let him/her excel what he loves. But then he should not be complaining about his low income or net worth if he.she is not rich.

That's all I am saying.

No, poverty is not that simple.

Of course, it is not a perfect empirical science.
But unbiased, fair people shouldn't have difficulties to understand that our action is the result of what is in our head. Of course, without right action one can't get of the poverty. But your value system is the powerful driving force of your actions and hence the result.

My above statement is true, not only in the case of poverty or riches but also in almost all cases.

The 19 suicide bombers who flew their planes to WTC did it because of what was in their head, because of what they believed in. This is as simple as that.

The most powerful weapon is not the nukes, or the war machines of the West but the human mind. No wonder, Al Qaeda are able to do so much damage with so little material resources.

People can move mountain, kill others, kill himself, put man on the moon and bring them back safely to Earth, discover the cure for Boobanic plague, win 8 Olympic gold medal in swimming (Michael Phelp), --- all due to what is in your head.

Liberals are screwing with people's head. That's why future of the West is very bleak.

 

[timf1234]

you know, this is really not funny anymore.

saying that folks only disagree with you do so because of a mental disorder is childish, ignorant, and very unsophisticated. you might as well accuse us of being Martians or kitten-eaters.

No, you are neither Martian nor kitten-eaters.
When people with formal college degree, who are good in many scientific and engineering areas have hard time to connect the root cause of poverty or riches, achievement or failure with the value system. And when they can't see the connection between believing on government handouts then I have to conclude that certain part of the neural network has failed to connect properly.
This might happen because one is not able to cope with his/her initial cognitive dissonance.

Case in point,
Our NIH leader, Francis Collin is otherwise a very smart person. He is very good in many science and engineering areas. He also believe in evolution. Please read about him. He used to be an atheist. An atheist now turn believer.
http://www.nih.gov/
Now he believes Jesus walked on the water. He thinks Jesus will take him to heaven after he dies.

What should I think of him?
Ans.: He has compartmentalized knowledge. A part of his brain that connect to other part of the brain has malfunction. That is a kind of mental disorder.
Miss firing of certain part of the brain to maintain his/her cognitive coherence.

Please read more about these in Sam Harris work, using fMRI, in these topics.
visit Reason Project.

How do you know if some one really understand something?
Just because he/she is able to recite the statement that time dilate in higher gravity doesn't mean he/she understand it.
It is the coherency, consistency of all thoughts and ideas that shows someone understand something and is wise.