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Merged Discussion of the moon landing "hoax"

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Interesting article. One part of it makes me curious:

Millions of people have seen pictures of it, and one day, years from now, lunar tourists will flock to the Sea of Tranquility to see it in person.

When this happens, will there still be moon hoax believers? I wonder what kind of crazy it will take to keep one doubting the missions even after we can look directly at the hardware and footprints first hand.
 
Interesting article. One part of it makes me curious:



When this happens, will there still be moon hoax believers? I wonder what kind of crazy it will take to keep one doubting the missions even after we can look directly at the hardware and footprints first hand.


Speaking of footprints I wonder if they "memorialized" the first print on the moon?
 
That is very interesting. I had never heard of that. I will have to look into it. I'm curious to how big the mirrors are.

The mirrors are small, and I don't see that particular point as being very persuasive. Yes, the mirrors are there, but they could have been taken there by unmanned craft. The Apollo 12 lander came down within a stone's throw of one of the unmanned craft that we had sent previously, so it's no doubt that the technology to get them there existed.

The mirrors, by the way, are kind of cool. If it was just a plain mirror, and it wasn't lined up exactly right, then a laser beam that originated from Earth would hit the mirror and bounce off in the wrong direction to return the laser beam to where it came from. So that wouldn't work. Instead, they use retroreflectors, which is a like three mirrors at right angles to each other, like looking into the back corner of a cube. Even if it's not aligned very well, light going in will bounce off the three surfaces and then come back out at exactly the same angle. Imagine a room where two walls and the ceiling are mirrors. In the corner where the three mirrors meet, you'll always see the reflection of your face in that corner no matter where in the room you stand. Same idea. You also have common, everyday experience with retroreflectors. The reflectors that they put on bicycles and many other things have these cube-corner mirror things, so that light hitting them bounces back the same direction it came. That's 'cause if a car headlight hits the bicycle reflector, you want that light to be sent back to the car so the driver can see it.

By the way, Gypseagirl, what are you trying to do, be everyone's favorite newbie or something? Coming on here and asking questions with an open mind is only going to cause people to like you.
 
By the way, Gypseagirl, what are you trying to do, be everyone's favorite newbie or something? Coming on here and asking questions with an open mind is only going to cause people to like you.

Yea, you need to cut that crap out now, Gypseagirl! ;)
 
I would imagine it would depend on who gets back there first. I can imagine a Chinese astronaut smudging it out with his own boot ;)

LOL

The mirrors are small, and I don't see that particular point as being very persuasive. Yes, the mirrors are there, but they could have been taken there by unmanned craft. The Apollo 12 lander came down within a stone's throw of one of the unmanned craft that we had sent previously, so it's no doubt that the technology to get them there existed.

The mirrors, by the way, are kind of cool. If it was just a plain mirror, and it wasn't lined up exactly right, then a laser beam that originated from Earth would hit the mirror and bounce off in the wrong direction to return the laser beam to where it came from. So that wouldn't work. Instead, they use retroreflectors, which is a like three mirrors at right angles to each other, like looking into the back corner of a cube. Even if it's not aligned very well, light going in will bounce off the three surfaces and then come back out at exactly the same angle. Imagine a room where two walls and the ceiling are mirrors. In the corner where the three mirrors meet, you'll always see the reflection of your face in that corner no matter where in the room you stand. Same idea. You also have common, everyday experience with retroreflectors. The reflectors that they put on bicycles and many other things have these cube-corner mirror things, so that light hitting them bounces back the same direction it came. That's 'cause if a car headlight hits the bicycle reflector, you want that light to be sent back to the car so the driver can see it.

By the way, Gypseagirl, what are you trying to do, be everyone's favorite newbie or something? Coming on here and asking questions with an open mind is only going to cause people to like you.

I was watching the Mythbuster's video which I found pretty interesting. That mirror did seem kinda cool. I had absolutely no idea they had mirrors on the moon.

Well I'm trying to have an open mind that is for sure. :)
 
How about the two pictures that have the identical backgrounds. I'm not really understanding this one.:boggled:

Parallax. The mountains in the background are very distant so they don't move much at all. The photographer can move a few hundred yards and the forground is completely changed but the background is still very similar. If you look closely, the background does change some showing that they were in fact distant 3d mountains.
 
How about the two pictures that have the identical backgrounds. I'm not really understanding this one.:boggled:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

You can see the same effect here on earth on a really clear day. Find a tall mountain miles off, travel a few miles, and the mountain is still there. (Out here in the pacific Northwest, Seattle to be exact, Mt. Ranier seems to move around a lot.)

The background is VERY far away, the horizon is a little closer, and there is no air distortion so you get a really clear view of distant objects.
 
How about the two pictures that have the identical backgrounds. I'm not really understanding this one.:boggled:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

Imagine someone taking a picture of his house in Denver, with the mountain range in the background. Then he goes next door and takes a picture of his neighbor's house with the same mountains in the background.

Show those two pictures to moon-hoaxers, and they'll say that since the background mountains are the same, someone had to have moved the first house and put the other one in its place.
 
Parallax. The mountains in the background are very distant so they don't move much at all. The photographer can move a few hundred yards and the forground is completely changed but the background is still very similar. If you look closely, the background does change some showing that they were in fact distant 3d mountains.

You can see the same effect here on earth on a really clear day. Find a tall mountain miles off, travel a few miles, and the mountain is still there. (Out here in the pacific Northwest, Seattle to be exact, Mt. Ranier seems to move around a lot.)

The background is VERY far away, the horizon is a little closer, and there is no air distortion so you get a really clear view of distant objects.

Imagine someone taking a picture of his house in Denver, with the mountain range in the background. Then he goes next door and takes a picture of his neighbor's house with the same mountains in the background.

Show those two pictures to moon-hoaxers, and they'll say that since the background mountains are the same, someone had to have moved the first house and put the other one in its place.

I apologize for being so elementary but i'm really trying to understand. After the way you explained it and reviewing the pictures....I can actually see the difference.
 
I apologize for being so elementary but i'm really trying to understand. After the way you explained it and reviewing the pictures....I can actually see the difference.

No need to apologize for trying to understand. You really are somewhat unique around here. You say, "I don't understand" and "Can you explain this to me?" That is very refreshing. Usually we get, "I don't understand therefore it's not real." If you don't understand something even after an explanation ask again. There are lots of knowledgeable people here and from your last question you can see that something can be explained in variety of ways that expresses the same idea.
 
I apologize for being so elementary but i'm really trying to understand. After the way you explained it and reviewing the pictures....I can actually see the difference.
In addition to the replies here, I also commend to your attention the "Fun with parallax" thread from apollohoax.
 
I apologize for being so elementary but i'm really trying to understand. After the way you explained it and reviewing the pictures....I can actually see the difference.

It's not an issue for those of us that live near mountains, you quickly realise that when it is a long way off, that even sizable changes in your position don't change the look of the mountain a lot. consider the images below...

Photo A
Mountain1.jpg


Photo B
Mountain2.jpg


Location of Photos taken
map.jpg


Combined Images
Mountain_comp.jpg




ETA: Just to make everyone else jealous, not as much snow and ice on it today, but it's standing out beautifully against the blue sky when I look out my office window. :D
 
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In addition to the replies here, I also commend to your attention the "Fun with parallax" thread from apollohoax.

Ha! I saved one of those close up pics of the penguin a long time ago. I added text saying, "I have no idea what you are talking about, so here is a penguin wearing a sombrero" but I'd forgotten all about it until I went to that thread.
 
ETA: Just to make everyone else jealous, not as much snow and ice on it today, but it's standing out beautifully against the blue sky when I look out my office window. :D

It is going to explode one day and turn New Plymouth into the New Pompeii. Where's your view then?

Mwuhahahahahaha!!!!

;)
 
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