OOS Collapse Propagation Model

[Major_Tom]

Can anyone mangle a post quite like Beachnut?


Here is a closer look at the 75N, 77W pair of ejections.

It is interesting how the 75th fl north face "random fart" lines up with the hallway. The ejection does not line up with some air vent, but with a hallway to the interior core.

 

[Major_Tom]

RE-EXAMINING OVER-PRESSURIZATION BELOW THE COLLAPSE FRONTS.


Bazant's "piston":

From BLGB:

But from our new knowledge of the core remnant, we know there was a gaping hole up the center of the building, which is obvious by looking at particle and dust movement:

We no longer have a giant "piston" with a 207x207 ft flat head creating global over-pressures through the lower structure. In fact, if we look carefully at the visible collapse fronts of WTC1 and 2, we can put limits on any theorized over-pressure building up within the floor spaces just under the collapse fronts by observing window and jet behavior on those floors at any moment.


Actual OOS propagation down the WTC2 east and south walls:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Xenomorph911WTC?&MMN_position=314:314#p/u/64/RfI8GHtjJB8


Actual OOS propagation down the WTC1 NW corner and west face:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iT7mmmc-YY&feature=channel_page


1st vital clue towards understanding true pressure build-up: Uneven collapse fronts.

WTC1 south and north collapse fronts are separated by over 10 floors. WTC2 east and west collapse fronts are noticably separated by at least 5 floors.

For WTC1, the light grey floor by floor ejections appear as vertical rows of destruction, happening down the south side of the west face while the north side grey rows of ejections follow over 10 floors behind.

Both WTC1 and 2 have collapse fronts on different sides of the building separated by a number of floors. The floor by floor light grey ejections happen down vertical corridors, not across open floor spaces.

There is no way to explain the different elevations of different collapse fronts as pressurization of open floor space to the point of blowing out the windows in rows.



2nd vital clue towards understanding true pressure build-up: Regulated velocity of OOS propagation rate. A terminal velocity is reached early in the ROOSD front and maintained at a relatively constant rate in all observable cases.


3rd vital clue towards understanding true pressure build-up: Dust ejection speed, also regulated. If ROOSD was accelerating as it propagated downward, we would expect the rows of light grey dust at the collapse front to be ejected at increasingly faster rates. This is not observed. Instead, we witness a set speed of dust ejections that does not noticably increase at lower elevations.

We would also expect an increasing ejection rate of the individual isolated ejections, or "farts", witnessed below the collapse front as the front moved downward.

Ejection rates seem independent of elevation. This is a very important clue. According to BLGB, ejection rates should increase as the collapse front gets faster lower in the building. Instead, we see a terminal velocity of propagation and ejections of a pretty consistent size all the way down the buildings.

 

[Major_Tom]

An excellent photo to show how the particulate flow follows the perimeter peeling outwards, leaving a gaping air passageway up through the surviving core:

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/photoalbum/8/911_HighQualityPhotos293.jpg

Notice how the smoke and dust are separated into 2 distinct groups. Notice that there is an absence of smoke or dust down into the region where the OOS flooring used to be. It is as if there is a circular tunnel going down where the air is relatively clear. This open circular tunnel is what separates the flows into 2 distinct regions.

We also know that people in the lower core survived. The building effectively opened outwards and the particulate flow in the air followed two main escape routes.

The remaining "plume" is the result of a large escape path for pressurized air upwards through the core.


Obviously, the word "piston" hardly applies to this type of air flow.

Over-pressurization within the lower building during the collapse needs some serious re-examination. It is a process where air is allowed to be displaced outwards or inwards and upwards through the core.

It is also a process in which ejection intensity did not seem to increase as the collapse progressed, which is obviously contradictory to the notion of a global piston effect.

 

[beachnut]

... It is also a process in which ejection intensity did not seem to increase as the collapse progressed, which is obviously contradictory to the notion of a global piston effect.

Wow, what did it? Can anyone have a moronic delusion of an inside job as long as Major Tom does?

What is your explanation? Got one? After 9 years of failure what is your conclusion?

 

[pgimeno]

I have a silly question...

How exactly did we get from "it looks like a demolition, therefore the towers were demolised" to "it actually looks like a collapse, therefore the towers were demolished"?

 

[Seymour Butz]

We also know that people in the lower core survived. The building effectively opened outwards and the particulate flow in the air followed two main escape routes.

The survivors report of a tremendous wind blowing down the stairwell.

So there was some degree of overpressurization. Fact.

 

[beachnut]

The survivors report of a tremendous wind blowing down the stairwell.

So there was some degree of overpressurization. Fact.

The pressure from the collapse blew a fireman 3 or 4 floors down. Explodes would kill. As Major Tom fails to comprehend large floors falling pushing out air from each location, an event that accelerated due to gravity as his fellow truthers measure the speed of a collapsing cloud of dust.

We have Major Tom saying, look now the WTC can collapse due to a small tiny bomb, or some delusional mechanism he cant define, a bomb which would be destroyed on impact, an impact that terrorists planting bombs have no idea where it will be. His fantasy gets worse if you try to explain it. We have other truthers calculating the speed of a collapse front of wallboard, as it falls, with no goal.

Major Tom has only one conclusion on 911, it was an inside job;

Over-pressurization within the lower building during the collapse needs some serious re-examination.

Wrong, we have witnesses inside the WTC during collapse, the over-pressurization picked up a fireman and threw him a few floors. Major Tom needs to re-examine his delusions and join reality after >9 years of failure.

What are the gray puffs? Wallboard/dust/insulation -

 

[Major_Tom]

The image below shows cross-sections of core column (CC) 501 sections above floor 43 to the roof-line.

Dimensions of all CC501 cross sections are listed here:
http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/cc501

Notice that all CC sections above floor 83 are H-beams, all CC sections below FL 83 are box columns.

We also have evidence that all H-beam connections in the impact region of WTC1 were made with bolted plates.


An H-beam provides a natural hiding place for a small device sized to snap and displace bolted plates. Thye have protective cavities on two opposite sides. By placing a very limited number of these devices above and below the impact zone within the protection of the H-beam cavity itself, it is not hard to see that nuclear weapons or space beams are not necessary to initiate ROOSD conditions.

No buckling required, no rivers of thermite, no nukes, no suicide squads...

Quite well controlled, really.

 

[DGM]

No buckling required, no rivers of thermite, no nukes, no suicide squads...

...........no evidence.

 

[carlitos]

Fire-resistant, remote-controlled bolt-cutting devices hidden in the H beams? Finally, something new.

 

[DGM]

Fire-resistant, remote-controlled bolt-cutting devices hidden in the H beams? Finally, something new.

What, you've never heard of "explosive bolts".

 

[ProBonoShill]

The image below shows cross-sections of core column (CC) 501 sections above floor 43 to the roof-line.

[qimg]http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/photoalbum/13/CC501.jpeg[/qimg]

Dimensions of all CC501 cross sections are listed here:
http://wtcmodel.wikidot.com/cc501

Notice that all CC sections above floor 83 are H-beams, all CC sections below FL 83 are box columns.

We also have evidence that all H-beam connections in the impact region of WTC1 were made with bolted plates.


An H-beam provides a natural hiding place for a small device sized to snap and displace bolted plates. Thye have protective cavities on two opposite sides. By placing a very limited number of these devices above and below the impact zone within the protection of the H-beam cavity itself, it is not hard to see that nuclear weapons or space beams are not necessary to initiate ROOSD conditions.

No buckling required, no rivers of thermite, no nukes, no suicide squads...

Quite well controlled, really.

LMFAO, here we go.

Finally.

Who planted these explosives?

How did they do it unnoticed?

How come all the people charged with the removal and investigation of the debris found............ nada, ziltch, nothing???

Why would anyone bother with explosives when as you've already admitted, it's plausible the towers collapsed from impact and fire alone.

Were these tiny explosives used in building 7 too?

Who had their pesky little fingers on the remote?

Here comes the thread split in in 3...2...1

 

[tsig]

What, you've never heard of "explosive bolts".

Installed during the power down no doubt.

 

[tsig]

Fire-resistant, remote-controlled bolt-cutting devices hidden in the H beams? Finally, something new.

It took that shoe a looong time to drop.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Fire-resistant, remote-controlled bolt-cutting devices hidden in the H beams? Finally, something new.

It took that shoe a looong time to drop.

If you think it's easy to come up with that kind of stuff, then you should be writing for America's Finest News Source.

ETA: In a related story on the mysterious deaths of redwing blackbirds, it is now known that jet fighters were seen shortly before the incident, and government personnel in hazmat suits were seen afterwards. High government officials continue to ignore the researcher who uncovered these and other damning facts.

I've got to be careful what I say, of course---this whole pond could be bugged.

 

[beachnut]

The image below shows cross-sections of core column (CC) 501 sections above floor 43 to the roof-line.

An H-beam provides a natural hiding place ...

Your delusions are showing. What happen, did you run out of differential equations to back up your inside job nonsense? Where is your thin veneer of technobabble, do you need more jiggly GIFs. The only goal you will have reached after 10 years, failure.

Super secret bolt cutting column thingy.... oops, the core was still standing... darn

oops, the wind from the collapsing floors picked up a fireman on the stairwell and blew him a few floors down...

You failed to make a point, except the collapse could be gravity. Based on all the evidence, it was caused by impacts and fire. You proved it, but you can't grasp the evidence, so you fail and post nonsense about how the MIB could do it. But they did not. You have no evidence. You missed the boat to reality, it left on 911.

 

[carlitos]

This was posted in the other thread, but is on-topic here.

I'm just mentioning it is not extremely hard to initiate collapse. It is guaranteed that this will lead Carlitos to misinterpret it to the extreme.
...

Then Carlitos labels it as "my MIHOP theory". That is expected.

I totally agree. A list of physical features studied in detail. Carlitos needs to pin detailed demo theories on anyone not sharing his limited views.

I'll mention possible methods and the most vulnerable targets, but only to show that most truther and debunker thoughts on the subject are exaggerated claims.

I prefer to list features and discuss the possibility or probablility of these features occurring in a natural colllapse. Without inside information, there is no other way to proceed other than by careful observation.

Here would be a good please for you to show evidence that I have labeled this "your MIHOP theory."

The only "detailed demo theory" posited thus far is your suggestion that devices could have been hidden in the H beams.

An H-beam provides a natural hiding place for a small device sized to snap and displace bolted plates. Thye have protective cavities on two opposite sides. By placing a very limited number of these devices above and below the impact zone within the protection of the H-beam cavity itself, it is not hard to see that nuclear weapons or space beams are not necessary to initiate ROOSD conditions.

No buckling required, no rivers of thermite, no nukes, no suicide squads...

Quite well controlled, really.

My entire response was:

Fire-resistant, remote-controlled bolt-cutting devices hidden in the H beams? Finally, something new.

You suggested that devices could snap and displace bolts. I said "bolt-cutting." I'm not at all sure what your objection to my noting that they would have to be fire-resistant and remote-activated. I guess in theory suicide bombers could also have set them off, which would address the known challenges of radio communication up in the towers.

What is your problem?

 

[Major_Tom]

Here are a list of WTC1 collapse progression features. Now that the possibility of a natural OOS process has been generally accepted, the next question to ask is whether all observabloes are within range of a natural collapse.



Collapse progression

N and W Rooflines Lose Shape and Pull Inwards
Lower W Wall Pushed Outward Intact
Free-fall Comparison: Tracking Earliest Falling Object
Ejections Advancing Down NW and SW corners
Ejections Below Collapse Fronts
Mechanical Floor Ejections
Diagonal Ejections Traversing E Face, Fls 50-55
Lower Perimeter Peels Outward after Flooring Destroyed
Antenna Section Falls Southward
Entire E-W Width of the Core Survives Initial Collapse
Surviving Core Remnant Drops Collectively
Rubble Layout and Column Conditions Recorded


The simple question is whether these observables are consistent with the possibility of a natural ROOSD process.

 

[newton3376]

I'll give another example. Consider the theory that these ejections are just random "farts" caused by the action of a great "piston".



[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/6/2/695762766.jpg[/qimg]

Why the pattern if random?

What "pattern" do you think you are seeing?

 

[beachnut]

Everything seen on 911 is consistent with a gravity collapse. The demolition delusion 911 truth has is nonsense, based on ignorance.