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Egypt 2011

I'd like to ask anyone pretty familiar with Egyptian politics the following question:

who are the protesters acting as useful idiots for?

Muslim Brotherhood?

Political opponents of Mubarak?

I ask this based on what I was puzzling over as Tunisia erupted recently.

My first impression of what happened in Tunisia recently was that the upset there was as much for the benefit of the "inside the power circles" opponents of the PM there than something for the benefit of "the people."

As time has gone on, it is less clear to me.

Mubarak's autocratic rule in Egypt does not seem to me any better or worse than the standard autocratic package in most of the Mahgreb and Middle East.

To tritely echo a standard CT line ... cui bono?
 
I'm not going to put myself up as any kind of expert on Egyptian politics, but hopefully the protesters will not end up being useful idiots for anyone, and that the results here will be a more open and democratic government for Egypt.
 
Considering that recent polls show 59% of Egyptians prefer Islamists to modernizers, 20% support Al-Qaeda and overwhelming majorities want stonings, floggings and the death penalty for apostasy, I'd say the prospects of Egypt becoming a liberal democracy are about as likely as America becoming a Marxist state. The Arab world is notoriously hard to predict though, even for regional experts.
 
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I'd like to ask anyone pretty familiar with Egyptian politics the following question:

who are the protesters acting as useful idiots for?

It is becoming more apparent this is a lotus revolution

Muslim Brotherhood?[

Does not appear so - They were very later to the party, and did not start organising till after the interner went down on Friday

Political opponents of Mubarak?
Well there appears to be about 80 million of them lol

I ask this based on what I was puzzling over as Tunisia erupted recently.

Bingo we have a winner. Remember the saying....."We lost our fear"

Mubarak's autocratic rule in Egypt does not seem to me any better or worse than the standard autocratic package in most of the Mahgreb and Middle East.

By and large it hasn't - in some ways it has had some positives. However the last few years...the guy has really dropped the ball. Lets remember he is 80 odd years old
 
Considering that recent polls show 59% of Egyptians prefer Islamists to modernizers, 20% support Al-Qaeda and overwhelming majorities want stonings, floggings and the death penalty for apostasy, I'd say the prospects of Egypt becoming a liberal democracy are about as likely as America becoming a Marxist state. The Arab world is notoriously hard to predict though, even for regional experts.

So are you willing to be openly anti-democracy?
 
I thank the participants for insights/answers so far, and will keep an eye on this for a few days before commenting further.

Big change rarely comes without a cost. Egypt is a big place.
 
Just wish radio stations would pay attention and play music that's topical now and again. Still waiting for someone to cue Rock the Casbah. [Stomps off in indignation]
 
Considering that recent polls show 59% of Egyptians prefer Islamists to modernizers,

Fundamentalists, not Islamists. Islamists are fundamentalists, but not all fundamentalists are Islamists. There are often pretty big disagreements (down to accusations of heresy, even) between, for instance, a number of Salafi groups and groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

A majority preferring fundamentalists to modernizers is still not a good thing, but it doesn't necessarily imply support for Islamism.

20% support Al-Qaeda

Surprisingly low, if you ask me.

and overwhelming majorities want stonings, floggings and the death penalty for apostasy,

Yeah, this is pretty much straight-up bad.

I'd say the prospects of Egypt becoming a liberal democracy are about as likely as America becoming a Marxist state.

Even with Obama in charge?

Anyway, as I've said before, the chances of Egypt becoming a liberal democracy because of these protests is pretty small. But the chance of it becoming an Islamist theocracy isn't really that much greater. The most likely outcome as things stand currently (especially now that the Army has basically decided to sit tight and declare the protests "legitimate") is that another variant of a military dictatorship will be established.

It is notable that the above linked survey has 59% of Egyptians preferring a democratic government, and another 16% not caring one way or the other. Of course, there are different levels of "democracy" - even Iranians can vote on their president from among a pool of candidates, but it sure as hell isn't a democracy there.

The Arab world is notoriously hard to predict though, even for regional experts.

This I completely agree with.
 
I was in Cairo on 21st January. Didn't pick up any vibes of anything going on at all. Initially, news media were certainly linking it to events in Tunisia.

I was in Luxor on 26th January. That was after the trouble started in Cairo, but again, no vibes of anything in Luxor. As a stray tourist on my own, I walked (some of) the streets and interacted with some of the locals, and didn't feel any tensions.

Don't know where it all came from.

Rolfe.
 

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