Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Alferd_Packer said:
Google up the "de-facto" officer doctrine.
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I see what you mean.

I also found this:

Congress also plays a role in presidential elections. Both Houses meet in joint session on the sixth day of January following a presidential election to count the electoral votes, and there are procedures to follow if no candidate wins a majority.[97]


Seems to me that by declaring Obama the winner they also declared him eligible and since they're the one who are charged to do this the matter is settled.
 
tsig said:
Even if it could be proved he was ineligible I don't see how you could invalidate everything that's been done.

You can't unscramble the egg.
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If you can Obama´s natural born citizenship invalid just because you want it to be, and declare the evidence for his natural born citizenship nonexistent just because you want it to be, I´m sure you can also unscramble as many eggs as you want.
 
tsig said:
I see what you mean.

I also found this:

Congress also plays a role in presidential elections. Both Houses meet in joint session on the sixth day of January following a presidential election to count the electoral votes, and there are procedures to follow if no candidate wins a majority.[97]


Seems to me that by declaring Obama the winner they also declared him eligible and since they're the one who are charged to do this the matter is settled.
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But... but... some racists on the internet say he isn't eligible! How can you suggest that the people whose job it is to check this sort of thing are more capable of checking this sort of thing than a bunch of loons who in the 21st century still have an irrational reaction to different levels of melanin?
 
Sledge said:
I find it fascinating that McCain's people managed to totally overlook that their opponent was illegibile to stand. That's the sort of thing you'd think they might have used at some point.
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McCain, nothing. Hillary Clinton's people somehow managed to overlook that fact!

Amusingly, back when it was Clinton vs. Obama in a tough nomination race, World Net Daily posted a huge article debunking the whole idea that Obama wasn't a natural-born citizen and wasn't ineligible for the Presidency, mainly because they found it a convenient way to make hated target Hillary Clinton look bad.

Of course, now that Obama has won both the nomination and the general election, they've done a complete 180 and are now at the vanguard of birtherism. But, hysterically, their original anti-birther article can still be found on their website!
 
Arus808 said:
And you repeat a birther lie. Berg intentionally edited out the portion where she stated that he was born in America. You do know that this was brought to light AS soon as the edited converstation was posted by Berg.

Birthers LIE.. All of the LIE..

Why do you trust the birthers, who've been shown to LIE over time about Obama?

The correct transcript:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf


In Sara Obama's own words:



Actually several candidates and Presidents in history had citizenship in other countries.

John F. Kennedy was an Irish citizen by virtue of his grandfather and father
James Buchanan, like Kennedy was an Irish Citizen by his father

Thomas Jefferson became a French Citizen before becoming President of the United States

McCain's natural born status was challenged and then affirmed by Congress (of which Obama was apart of).

And what does this have to do with citizenship?

Is there truly an "American" nationality? Nope. I'm a citizen, yet I identify with Japanese culture and nationality.

What "nationality" are you claiming that Obama "passed" himself off as in his "early teens and twenties?"


No, none of what you pointed out carry a lick of credibility to denounce Obama as an American.

What you are repeating are red herrings against Obama.

There is the public birth index that shows Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii
We have his COLB, which was confirmed as OFFICIAL by the Department of Health in Hawaii
We have the birth announcements in the two Hawaii newspapers at the time (birth announcements can only be submitted by the Department of Vital Statistics in Hawaii)

And that's all that matters.

Source please. This was not stated on his website:
http://fightthesmears.com/

The only reason he released his COLB online was:
That is why he released his COLB as given to him by the State of Hawaii.

The only version that Hawaii releases to residents.

Sorry, but the original is LONG gone. I dont hae my original bC from Hawaii, be cause it was lost, and when I applied for my first job, i had to request a copy. Its not his refusal to do so, HE CAN't SUPPLY SOMETHING THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE!

The only version that Hawaii has released, since the 90's has been the green COLB. The same one that Obama has released. Since 2000, all records are digitized. There is no long form.

There is not even an "original", all information are inputted into a computer and uploaded to the Dept. Of health by the various hospitals. The older records are no longer available to the workers in the Dept. Of Health as they are stored away for safe keeping, in temperature controlled rooms (due to Hawaii's humidity, paper records do not keep). All of those records were scanned to microfiche and available that way until the late 80's and by the 90's the complete database was changed over to computers. Since DB's only need text fields, a person inputted those information that would fit the fields used on the COLB. All of the extraneous information (that does't establish citizenship) were not entered.

There is no paper copy sent to them anymore. And when parents get their child's COLB in the mail, they get the Green COLB that is given to those who request a copy.




Dr.. you're joing in on this conspiracy in the late stages. Birthers are mocked for their hidden and overt racism. All of what you have asked have been addressed, and it seems that you are repeating long debunked birther claims:

Before you post a reply, visit these sites and READ THEM thoroughly. It'll take you about a week at least to get through all the articles on each site, and go through all the LEGAL explanations that you are sorely misunderstanding. So, take a break, go read the articles and come back here when you have a question:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org
http://badfiction.typepad.com -- view the Birther Mythbusting page to see the various articles on birther claims.
http://www.ohforgoodnesssake.com
http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/ - you have to register to participate in the Obama Eligiblity threads.
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/
http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/
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One minor niggle with an otherwise excellent post; assuming the James Buchanan you mean is this one, he wasn't an Irish citizen; Irish independence was sixty years in the future
 
Alareth said:
OMG!!!!

Obama is a SECRET AMERICAN!
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Pure Froot Loopery.

I love the finish:

The dissembling that he has had to do to hold it together has cost at least one good man his freedom and his career. If nothing else, our commander in chief owes Lt. Col. Terry Lakin the truth.
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Uh, no. What cost Lakin was his decision to disobey orders for no good reason. The army kind of frowns on that.
 
Has anyone ever pinned down just when this nefarious conspiracy started? I'm curious as to just how many family members were in on it and when they got together to hatch the plan.
 
Alareth said:
OMG!!!!

Obama is a SECRET AMERICAN!
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Glad to see they have a definitive answer:






Just who is really Obama's father? As I was wrapping up my research on my forthcoming book, "Deconstructing Obama," I asked three of the independent investigators with whom I had been consulting who they thought was the biological father of President Barack Obama.

To the uninitiated, this may seem a bizarre question. But those who have followed this story – now, perhaps, including Hawaii's blundering Gov. Neil Abercrombie – will not be surprised to learn that I got three different answers, each of them plausible.



Obama had three dadies that's what accounts for his three different nationalities.:boggled:
 
tsig said:
Obama had three dadies that's what accounts for his three different nationalities.:boggled:
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This is what we get for embracing homosexual, polygamous marriage!







Well, at least I didn't add miscegenation!
 
tsig said:
Obama had three dadies that's what accounts for his three different nationalities.:boggled:
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Oh good, a game.

Lets lok at the options:

USA Father - Malcolm X (but everybody knows that one already)
Indonesian Father - Suharto
Kenyan Father - Idi Amin (yes, I know but Uganda is just up the road)

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
Oh good, a game.

Lets lok at the options:

USA Father - Malcolm X (but everybody knows that one already)
Indonesian Father - Suharto
Kenyan Father - Idi Amin (yes, I know but Uganda is just up the road)

Norm
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He was also UK so we can add Jack the Ripper.
 
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