Wake up West. Wake up Obama. Islamic filth is coming to your town.

Ryokan said:
Copying a post I made in reply to a similar thread.

I've actually been to a Muslim country as a soldier, as part of an international force. The actual war was over by the time I got there, but the scars of the war was ever present. I've seen some horrible things. Dried blood all over the floors and walls of concentration camps. Mass graves with massacred civilians, young and old. I've talked to people who experienced horrible things. One girl who was 14 who had to take up arms to fight people who wanted to kill her and her family, but got captured, held in a camp for years and repeatedly raped. Old men who watched their wives get murdered in front of them. Horrible things.

All this was done by European White men, against Muslims. Horrible things. And it's not long ago, either. Just thinking about it makes tears well up in my eyes. So don't come here and tell me Western White people are better than Muslims. I know better. I've seen it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb_Wa...osnian_Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahatovi%C4%87i_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foča_massacres
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kori%C4...liffs_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prijedor_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Višegrad_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuzla_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paklenik_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markale_massacres
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebren...ldren_Massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarska_camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keraterm_camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manjača_camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trnopolje_camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzamnica_camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilina_Vlas

I could post dozens of more links.

Don't judge people by their colour or creed. Judge them by their actions, as individuals.
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You wrote:
"So don't come here and tell me Western White people are better than Muslims."

That's exactly what I am going to tell you - with slight modification.
Modification is: Western superiority has nothing to do with the white skin color but has to with what is in their head, their value system.

Statistic speaks louder than anything else.
Look around, 57 members OIC countries, except few all of them are Muslim majority countries. None of these countries have any human right. They are practically ungovernable, non-functional states. Interestingly, it is not only the government in power who are corrupt. Muslims value system fully ********** up.
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Ask them the right question to probe deep into their mind and soul, you will find out they never saw a day of the Western enlightenment era.

So, Mr. Roykon, yes, that is what I am going to tell you. Grow up, Accept the fact, that 1.3 billions Muslims value systems is way inferior than that of the Western value system.

Their basic concept of right and wrong, good and bad, truth and falsehood is ********** up. They have lost their soul.
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No, wonder, 57 OIC is **********.
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Mr. Roykon, learn something from me before your own value system goes to toilet.
When a large number of of people for a long period of time has good value system then the outcome is good otherwise it is bad.
large number = tens of millions of people
long period = At least one generation (25 years)

Oh, I agree, that they have seen a lot of barbarism but fact remains, their value is not good.

Wake up Mr. Roykon,

Their own people treat their rival sectors worse than animal. Shia kills Sunni, Punjabi kills Shia, Gay is simply not allowed, Masacare of Christians in Pakistan, Egypt, etc.

NO, sir, West treat them far better than they treat each other.
Of course, West is by no mean perfect but is far, far superior than their (Muslims') *********** value system.
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Of course, there was a time when the West was as bad as the Muslims are now. But we are comparing today's West with Todays Muslims.
Don't lose sight of that logic.

Can Muslims be taught? Absolutely.
But first acknowledge that Muslims' mind is already screwed.
Western liberals are not willing to say that because their feeeeling will get hurt.

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Most likely because the Western world was built on the foundations of the human and civil rights first written on during the Renaissance and Reformation period. The Middle East and Asia weren't really part of that era, so they didn't get that reform of personal liberty and rights most of Europe and later on America got.
 
Khan said:
Most likely because the Western world was built on the foundations of the human and civil rights first written on during the Renaissance and Reformation period. The Middle East and Asia weren't really part of that era, so they didn't get that reform of personal liberty and rights most of Europe and later on America got.
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Probably you are right.
Of course, there are reasons behind anything and everything.
Every happenings in the universe has a cause behind it unless it is spontaneous decay of radio active elements or events due to Heisenberg uncertainty principle implications.

We are not discussing what caused 1.4 Billion Muslims's ****** up mind. I was saying it is, their mind, their value is ****** up.
Unless we acknowledge that first we will never have solution for it.

Lobotomized brain liberals do not want to even acknowledge that.
 
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Khan said:
Most likely because the Western world was built on the foundations of the human and civil rights first written on during the Renaissance and Reformation period. The Middle East and Asia weren't really part of that era, so they didn't get that reform of personal liberty and rights most of Europe and later on America got.
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Western civilization was based on the right of a warrior to rule over what he had taken by arms or recieved as compensation for service to his liege lord. That is the whole reason for our emphasis on property rights.

The Enlightenment was a rebellion against that concentration of wealth and power into so few hands. The opening of the Americas to colonization simply allowed more people to carve out fiefdoms regardless of their low birth status.

Religion had bloody little to do with it.

As for violence of one sect of Islam against another, that is not greatly different from what Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Protestants have been doing to each other for a couple of millenia.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
He did. And yes, that was the joke.

Personally, if Obama just walked out and his entire SOTU speech was "Socialized medicine is totally halaal, y'all," I'd vote for him in 2012 just because of it.
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Obama and liberals need lesson from Ayn Rand philosophy.
 
timf1234 said:
Obama and liberals need lesson from Ayn Rand philosophy.
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What lesson would that be? I'm intrigued. Given that our current and past Federal Reserve chairmen are both devoted followers of her philosophy, I'm interested to see where this goes.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
What lesson would that be? I'm intrigued. Given that our current and past Federal Reserve chairmen are both devoted followers of her philosophy, I'm interested to see where this goes.
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Personal responsibility.
Hold individual responsible.
No more reinforcement of bad ideas, behavior, actions, thoughts, value system.
No more redistribution of wealth by means of cash for clunker, first time home buyer government subsidy, extension of unemployment, food stamp, discount and appeasement of various kind etc.

These are the lessons liberals need.
 
I see a lot of normative statements in there with no justification or explanation that they require!!!
 
leftysergeant said:
Western civilization was based on the right of a warrior to rule over what he had taken by arms or recieved as compensation for service to his liege lord. That is the whole reason for our emphasis on property rights.

The Enlightenment was a rebellion against that concentration of wealth and power into so few hands. The opening of the Americas to colonization simply allowed more people to carve out fiefdoms regardless of their low birth status.

Religion had bloody little to do with it.

As for violence of one sect of Islam against another, that is not greatly different from what Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Protestants have been doing to each other for a couple of millenia.
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Of course, there was a time when the West was as bad as the Muslims are now. But we are comparing today's West with Todays Muslims.
Don't lose sight of that logic.
 
timf1234 said:
Personal responsibility.
Hold individual responsible.
No more reinforcement of bad ideas, behavior, actions, thoughts, value system.
No more redistribution of wealth by means of cash for clunker, first time home buyer government subsidy, extension of unemployment, food stamp, discount and appeasement of various kind etc.
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So, you would be cool with re-regulation of banking and a repeal of the Reagan tax cuts and restoration of import tariffs?

Or do you want the usurers and the war profiteers to run the country at the expense of the working class?

Is it okay to persue poilicies that re-distrbute wealth only upward?
 
timf1234 said:
Of course, there was a time when the West was as bad as the Muslims are now. But we are comparing today's West with Todays Muslims.
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So freaking WHAT?

Did Muslim pressure on Christian Europe make Christians less violent and nasty following the Reconquista in Spain?
 
leftysergeant said:
So freaking WHAT?

Did Muslim pressure on Christian Europe make Christians less violent and nasty following the Reconquista in Spain?
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Then just say it.....
Say, Today's Islamic Mind's Value system is inferior than that of the West.

Admit it.
 
timf1234 said:
Personal responsibility.
Hold individual responsible.
No more reinforcement of bad ideas, behavior, actions, thoughts, value system.
No more redistribution of wealth by means of cash for clunker, first time home buyer government subsidy, extension of unemployment, food stamp, discount and appeasement of various kind etc.

These are the lessons liberals need.
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I think the first one is pretty funny. You have not advocated personal responsibility in this thread. Rather, you have advocated some form of group responsibility. That is, holding groups accountable for the actions of individuals.

But if you'd like to talk about Ayn Rand, I encourage you to start a thread on the philosophy forum. I guarantee at least one person will have fun!
 
At least judging the inherent value of one value system to another is logically and cognitively consistent with saying that you need to eliminate bad ideas/value systems/ etc.
 
timf1234 said:
Then just say it.....
Say, Today's Islamic Mind's Value system is inferior than that of the West.

Admit it.
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Today's Religious Mind's Value system is inferior to that of the Atheists.
 
leftysergeant said:
So, you would be cool with re-regulation of banking and a repeal of the Reagan tax cuts and restoration of import tariffs?



Or do you want the usurers and the war profiteers to run the country at the expense of the working class?

Is it okay to persue poilicies that re-distrbute wealth only upward?
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To all the liberal's lobotomized brain,


Don't tell me about working class.

Do you ever realize that the benefit to the mankind from one or just few smart people is more than a million just working class effort combined?

If that is true then who should be rewarded hugely?

Now, here is the test for your lobotomized liberal brain.

Imagine, only one city without electricity just for a week. How chaotic, how difficult life is going to be?
Now, think of Thomas Alpha Edison and/or Mr. Tesla discovery and commercialization of electricity. Add all the benefit the entire wire is reaping around thousands of city.

Now think about the invention and commercialization of automobile, penicillin, Aircraft, formulation of the concept of human rights, liberty, freedom of expression, computers, the list goes on and on......

What you see around you and enjoyment you are having is due to less than 1% of the people in the world.
How much did your working class contribute? Very little.

Most of the working class are pretty close to parasites in the society. They add very little value to the benefit of mankind.

Working class are already getting more than what they deserve.
Stop stealing my money to give it to the incompetent, people with poor value system. Stop your hand out to put these working class in your life support system so that they can vote for you, so that you can keep getting elected.

It is in your interest to keep the low people low so that you can have your power. You do not have their interest in your heart. You want their votes, so allow illegal immigrant. You want their vote so keep them low and dependent on your handout.

You need to encourage and reward the good, strong, wealthy, industrialist who add value to the society.

Read Ayn Rand philosophy.

We are not going to apologize to you because we are good, we are better, faster, smarter than you are. You take your incompetent people and go to a new planet. And then don't come back begging for our help when an asteroid is about to collide your planet. We will be able to save you but you can't save yourself.

We do not want quota system.
We do not want preferential favoritism.
We want competition and justice.
You breed parasites. We bread doer, movers, shakers, creative, industrialists.
Even your company is bad for the society.

We will never stop the pursuit of excellence.
I aint apologizing because I am too good for you, liberal morons.
 
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