Presidential Primaries 2012

IDB87 said:
What? I could have sworn I heard a radio-interview where he firmly stated he wasn't going to run. Asked repeatedly, his answer remained a firm no.

:eye-poppi
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You must be thinking of someone else. He's been running pretty much since he bowed out in 2008. I don't think he ever said, hinted or intimated in that time that he wasn't running. But if you can find the source...
 
hgc said:
You must be thinking of someone else. He's been running pretty much since he bowed out in 2008. I don't think he ever said, hinted or intimated in that time that he wasn't running. But if you can find the source...
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Hm, I doubt I can find the source. It was in passing while surfing the AM channels. The only reason it stuck out to me was because it was the complete opposite of what was expected of Romney, and counter to his political posturing.

I may very well have been mistaken (not unheard of..).
 
Wow. That came out of nowhere. Welcome to Herman Cain, former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, the pizza you can't refuse. CNN

News on Pawlenty front: the former governor of Minnesota went groveling to some radical cleric offering to repeal the DADT repeal if he could be anointed. Slate

GOP
S. Palin of Fox News, blood libelee
W. "M." Romney, noted health care reformer
M. Huckabee of Fox News
N. Gingrich of Fox News
B. Jindal
T. Pawlenty
K. Bailey Hutchison
M. Sanford
D. Patreus
T. Ridge
J. DeMint
C. Crist
R. Paul (le père)
A. Keyes
J. Bush
R. Giuliani (Jeesh! Is he still stinking up the joint?)
D. Hunter
J. Huntsman Amb. to China
M. Steele
J. Ensign
H. Barbour
R. Santorum of Fox News
M. Bachmann
R. Cheney
M. Pence (Look for early declaration from here -- I predict by March 2011)
S. King
R. Ailes of Fox News
G. Pataki
S. Brownback
J. Thune
M. Daniels (Lots of buzz from the tiny, sane GOP faction)
G. Johnson
J. Bolton of Fox News
C. Christie
P. Ryan
H. Cain

Dem
B. Obama

Anti- Certain Things Too Much Habituated in the 2 Major Parties
L. Dobbs of Fox News
D. Trump
 
I would not rule out K. Bailey Hutchinson. She is not going to run again for her Senate seat. She is, actually, the only one of the lot I would fear. She can actually pass for a rational human being.
 
leftysergeant said:
I would not rule out K. Bailey Hutchinson. She is not going to run again for her Senate seat. She is, actually, the only one of the lot I would fear. She can actually pass for a rational human being.
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Face facts. Getting crushed in your GOP primary for governor of Texas is not a stepping stone toward a presidential run. Hutchison is yesterday's news.
 
hgc said:
Face facts. Getting crushed in your GOP primary for governor of Texas is not a stepping stone toward a presidential run. Hutchison is yesterday's news.
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The teatards are not going to be that strong an influence on the next election cycle. They are unusually strong in some states because the Republicans tend to be of lower-than-party-average there.

Texas is a good example.
 
Hey, news on the maniacal egotist front: Donal Trump is making his usual feints toward tossing his hair-hat into the ring. Of course he will never, ever run for public office of any kind, but he sure knows how to get himself in the news. His insights, in an interview with the Daily Beast are of the usual quality.
But what’s really bugging him these days is the way Obama presents himself.

“What are those sandals that he wore the other day?” Trump demands disbelievingly, reacting to the image of the vacationing president in a Hawaiian ice cream parlor, sporting swimming trunks and flip-flops.
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As you might have guessed, he's only doing it for us:
I’ve never been greatly tempted before, but the country has never needed help like it does now.
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Most importantly though, he says that he'd run as a Republican, so he gets moved now from the "other" pile to the Abu Ghraib pyramid that is now the GOP pile.


GOP
S. Palin of Fox News, blood libelee
W. "M." Romney, noted health care reformer
M. Huckabee of Fox News
N. Gingrich of Fox News
B. Jindal
T. Pawlenty
K. Bailey Hutchison
M. Sanford
D. Patreus
T. Ridge
J. DeMint
C. Crist
R. Paul (le père)
A. Keyes
J. Bush
R. Giuliani (Jeesh! Is he still stinking up the joint?)
D. Hunter
J. Huntsman Amb. to China
M. Steele
J. Ensign
H. Barbour
R. Santorum of Fox News
M. Bachmann
R. Cheney
M. Pence (Look for early declaration from here -- I predict by March 2011)
S. King
R. Ailes of Fox News
G. Pataki
S. Brownback
J. Thune
M. Daniels (Lots of buzz from the tiny, sane GOP faction)
G. Johnson
J. Bolton of Fox News
C. Christie
P. Ryan
H. Cain
D. Trump

Dem
B. Obama

Anti- Certain Things Too Much Habituated in the 2 Major Parties
L. Dobbs of Fox News
 
I failed to note, a few days ago when adding H. Cain to our dog pile, that he actually has formed his exploratory committee. Under the official rules of this thread, that means he gets a "dot" -- the signifier of declared entry into the race -- our first of the cycle!!!
http://www.hermancain.com/

In other news, R. Giuliani is "absolutely" considering a 2012 run. Please, please, please. Last time, he started at the top, and sank like a rock when the voters got to know him. This time he starts on the ocean floor.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47942.html#comments

GOP
S. Palin of Fox News, blood libelee
W. "M." Romney, noted health care reformer
M. Huckabee of Fox News
N. Gingrich of Fox News
B. Jindal
T. Pawlenty
K. Bailey Hutchison
M. Sanford
D. Patreus
T. Ridge
J. DeMint
C. Crist
R. Paul (le père)
A. Keyes
J. Bush
R. Giuliani (Jeesh! Is he still stinking up the joint?)
D. Hunter
J. Huntsman Amb. to China
M. Steele
J. Ensign
H. Barbour
R. Santorum of Fox News
M. Bachmann
R. Cheney
M. Pence (Look for early declaration from here -- I predict by March 2011)
S. King
R. Ailes of Fox News
G. Pataki
S. Brownback
J. Thune
M. Daniels (Lots of buzz from the tiny, sane GOP faction)
G. Johnson
J. Bolton of Fox News
C. Christie
P. Ryan
H. Cain, the candidate you can't refuse •
D. Trump

Dem
B. Obama

Anti- Certain Things Too Much Habituated in the 2 Major Parties
L. Dobbs of Fox News
 
hgc said:
In other news, R. Giuliani is "absolutely" considering a 2012 run. Please, please, please. Last time, he started at the top, and sank like a rock when the voters got to know him. This time he starts on the ocean floor.
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Giuliani's game plan in 2008 made some sense; hope that there was no clear winner in the early going and then win big in Florida. He knew he wouldn't be competitive in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, so the strategy was sensible. Unfortunately for him, McCain built up a head of steam in NH and that pretty much doomed him.

Don't count him out this time, though. He still represents a pretty good chunk of the GOP electorate: the socially moderate, fiscally conservative country club set. He won't be competing with McCain for those votes this time around. He could use a large field; among all the candidates he'll benefit the most if Palin runs.
 
Brainster said:
Giuliani's game plan in 2008 made some sense; hope that there was no clear winner in the early going and then win big in Florida. He knew he wouldn't be competitive in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, so the strategy was sensible. Unfortunately for him, McCain built up a head of steam in NH and that pretty much doomed him.

Don't count him out this time, though. He still represents a pretty good chunk of the GOP electorate: the socially moderate, fiscally conservative country club set. He won't be competing with McCain for those votes this time around. He could use a large field; among all the candidates he'll benefit the most if Palin runs.
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My recollection is somewhat different. Giuliani was an early leader in Iowa (before the campaigning started in earnest), and once the Republicans there got to know him a little better, not so much.

So Giuliani started claiming that Iowa is not so important, and rededicated himself to winning in New Hampshire -- back east where he's the big cheese.

Then when New Hampshire started to look like it was going to be a flop, all of a sudden, it was the big state/late state strategy, and he was going to show them all in Florida.

Rudy's problem isn't so much that he flopped last time, making a name for himself for a future run. He already had a famous brand, and he belly-flopped from the highest diving board. He was the leader for the GOP nod in most polling back in 2007. No, he didn't come from relative obscurity to be a decent 2nd placer like Huckabee or Romney. His direction was downward all the way -- the biggest disappointment in presidential politics in decades.

No way, no chance, but please bring it on.
 
hgc said:
My recollection is somewhat different. Giuliani was an early leader in Iowa (before the campaigning started in earnest), and once the Republicans there got to know him a little better, not so much.

So Giuliani started claiming that Iowa is not so important, and rededicated himself to winning in New Hampshire -- back east where he's the big cheese.

Then when New Hampshire started to look like it was going to be a flop, all of a sudden, it was the big state/late state strategy, and he was going to show them all in Florida.
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Well, your recollection is wrong on New Hampshire and Iowa.

It wasn't Monday night's meeting that changed Kapatanakis's mind. He'd settled on Romney a while earlier, in part because he felt Giuliani, who has been conspicuously inconspicuous in New Hampshire, had snubbed his home state.
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Giuliani, who campaigned lightly in early states like Iowa, decided to devote much of his time to campaigning in Florida.
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You can argue that the strategy was faulty (as the CBS News piece does), but realistically he had no chance with the religious right in Iowa and South Carolina, and New Hampshire was widely seen as a battle between McCain and Romney.
 
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