In what world? Zen
Then again I'm guessing you feel its OK for the prosecution to withhold evidence, lie about results and then protest giving up any evidence that would prove your results.
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In what world? Zen
Then again I'm guessing you feel its OK for the prosecution to withhold evidence, lie about results and then protest giving up any evidence that would prove your results.
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It was a homicide with a sexual element, but I think it is best understood as a case where a woman got killed because she walked in on a burglary in progress.
Women sometimes do get involved in sexual homicides - Myra Hindley, Karla Homolka and Charlene Gallegos, among others. But each of those women was in a relationship with a dominant male partner who was the primary instigator.
Gwendolyn Graham and Catherine Wood committed sexually motivated murders in a nursing home, but what they did is different from the sexual homicides committed by men. Graham and Wood had no sexual interest in the people they killed. They simply got turned on by the act of murder and then had sex with each other.
One thing these cases all have in common is that the facts are clearly understood with regard to who did what. Nobody thinks Karla Homolka or Myra Hindley was framed.
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No one here but you are even talking about withholding evidence, I may as well just reply to your post by saying, Amanda turned a cartwheel in the police station - what does that have to do with the current discussion?
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Frank can really be amusing sometimes. I love the way he talks about Mignini in the bunker with the 'dells. And speaking of which, this one has a lot of information on the buses:
http://translate.google.com/transla...tp://www.corrieredellumbria.it/news.asp?id=26
And a very nice photo of Amanda, while Raffaele looks like he is going to sneeze (LOL).
You questioned the integrity of someones results because they where unable to physically hold the objects. I questioned the integrity of the prosecutions results by claiming they refused to provide evidence the tests were even performed by withholding the evidence.
So in fact, the prosecution withholding evidence, is related to the discussion at hand.
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Wins what? It is the truth that is important. If they had a chance to examine the evidence in person, then it is best that they should do so. Seeing the actual evidence can make a difference. I doubt it would have made Mignini's footprint guy any smarter but the police computer dude would have done better working off photographs, in my opinion.
Well in Franks defense he has made some good points. He has pointed out a few times don't blame Mignini, blame the idiots that screwed up the case and forced Mignini to do what he has done. I don't believe in that particular way of thinking, but some do and I find no reason to criticize them of it. To the best of my knowledge Mignini has a recorded conversation of every interview he did with Knox. I dont know if he interrogated Knox that night or not. What we do know is there is apparently no recording of the interrogation that was not performed by Mignini. So do you blame Mignini or the interrogators? Those are some of the interpretations I got from reading what Frank has wrote.
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The point I am trying to make, but losing, is how easily everyone on here believes this Ron Hendry guy because he is spouting what you guys (and girls) wants to hear. To say how inept the investigators in Perugia were concerning the bra strap because 'Ron Hendry' say's something different, just isn't right because he was not there, he did not have a chance to hold or look at it under a microscope or test it any way he may have wanted to, instead he looked at pictures like the ones we can all see. His view should be worth about the same as any of ours, but sadly, it is not so.
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Why shouldn't we?
RoseMontague
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Five different people can interpret Frank's posts five different ways. I believe he sometimes does that on purpose.
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I actually don't agree with all of Ron Hendry's posts and I have been very critical of Steve Moore. He does make some valid points and gives at least some basis for his theories. katy_did also posted earlier that she did not buy into his explanation. The argument itself has to be convincing, at least for me.
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That was my point. Those woman were not in the lead. The prosecution's theory is not that Raffaele committed a rape/torture/murder with Amanda assisting but that Amanda committed a rape/torture/murder with Raffaele assisting. I'm not sure why they went this route, but IMHO this makes the prosecution's case something like 1000x less plausible.
Now I think you try people on the prosecution's case not some alternate theory so.... But even if I did reverse this, Raffaele has none of the history you would expect with a 23 year old psychopathic sexual sadist. At 20 it is just barely believable that Amanda was a deeply masochist and didn't know, but generally you would expect to have former lovers talk about how rough she liked. Using your example, most of Karla Homolka's lovers were kinda freaked out by how rough she wanted them to be.
But the reverse? Raffaele is a sexual masochist and identifies with Meredith sexually? I don't get the dynamic they were proposing, I don't understand how this went without comment in the trial.
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Why thank you for an honest reply - something like that makes sense to me.
It seems like a pretty crappy hobby to me.
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Since they have been charged and convicted of murder the charges can't be changed.
I have always been a firm believer that the bra was cut before the stabbing. To me it makes no sense that he would decide to rape her after her throat was cut and not decide to rape her before her throat was cut. My understanding of rape is its about control. When a victim is already dead or dying there is no control. The rapist lost that control by killing the victim. That goes against what a few members here have posted. I have yet to see that the same blood patterns on the bra couldn't have been left with the bra on or off.
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I don't care about this woman at all. I've never met her, I have no "dog in this fight". I'm more about the the legal and logical aspects to the case.
As for your question dtugg, what I find intresting (translate: creepy) is how many middle-aged men are soooooo concerned that this woman is set free.
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Oh please. Go to TJMK and take a look at fawning over a much younger woman by middle aged men. PMF is obsessed with Amanda's sex life. I don't see the people who believe in her innocence being nearly so obsessed. Some of the people here are also working on other cases involving males. And for that matter Raffaele is male.
One of the last people my blog defended was Marc Driscoll, whose not exactly a young cute woman.
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I normally don't do this. But since you asked for it. I corrected your statement for you.
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