Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Chaos]

If this case ever does go to court it might go something like this:

Obama's Attorney: Your honor, in addition to the photos of copies on FactCheck.org we have this statement by JREF member Thunder.



I rest my case.

Birther Attorney: And in addition to absolutely nothing, we have nothing whatsoever, plus nothing at all - oh, and of course the thinly disguised racism of Birthers who cannot stand having a black person in the White House.

 

[Mojo]

Hawaii governor claims record of Obama's birth 'exists in archives' but can't produce the vital document

By Daily Mail Reporter

I don't need to read any further than that.

 

[DrBaltar]

Birther Attorney: And in addition to absolutely nothing, we have nothing whatsoever, plus nothing at all - oh, and of course the thinly disguised racism of Birthers who cannot stand having a black person in the White House.

Strawman with a side order of the race card. C'mon skeptics. I can get this crap on any forum.

 

[boyntonstu]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

Well, Duh!

All it needs is for Obama to say, "Show it".

 

[Chaos]

Strawman with a side order of the race card. C'mon skeptics. I can get this crap on any forum.

Then what DO you have? Present it!

All I ever hear is "Why doesn´t Obama present his Birth Certificate?", which completely ignores that, firstly, he DID present it long ago, and, secondly, there never was a reason for him to present it to a bunch of partisan wankers because he eligibility was established long ago.

As for the racist part, I seem to have overlooked the many, many threads in which birthers discuss how all the other 40-odd US presidents never presented their birth certificates to the public. Of course, these presidents all happen to be white, while the one president whose birth certificate you demand happens to be black. So what am I supposed to think?

 

[boyntonstu]

Then what DO you have? Present it!

All I ever hear is "Why doesn´t Obama present his Birth Certificate?", which completely ignores that, firstly, he DID present it long ago, and, secondly, there never was a reason for him to present it to a bunch of partisan wankers because he eligibility was established long ago.

As for the racist part, I seem to have overlooked the many, many threads in which birthers discuss how all the other 40-odd US presidents never presented their birth certificates to the public. Of course, these presidents all happen to be white, while the one president whose birth certificate you demand happens to be black. So what am I supposed to think?

Are you disputing what the Governor is presently saying?

"firstly, he DID present it long ago"

What is the "it" that he presented?

If what you say is true, why wouldn't the Governor show "it" instead of trying to pry "it" loose?

 

[Arus808]

Are you disputing what the Governor is presently saying?

Nope as pointed out to you earlier, yes there is a law called HIPPA. I told you to get familiar with it

"firstly, he DID present it long ago"

Obama did, its on his fight the smears website, posted in 2008. Its now 2011.

What is the "it" that he presented?

The official COLB sent to Obama from the Department of Health in Hawaii
The only form given to the residents if they are born there.

If what you say is true, why wouldn't the Governor show "it" instead of trying to pry "it" loose?

He can't. HIPPA

Get to know that law.

 

[Accidental Martyr]

Strawman with a side order of the race card. C'mon skeptics. I can get this crap on any forum.

What's your point? Chaos made a truthful statement.

 

[timhau]

All it needs is for Obama to say, "Show it".

... because if the POTUS isn't answerable to crackpots, who is he answerable to?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

All it needs is for Obama to say, "Show it".

My, aren't we special.

 

[DrBaltar]

Then what DO you have? Present it!

I was just pointing out the brilliance of Thunder's comment when you chimed in with your strawman and race card.

All I ever hear is "Why doesn´t Obama present his Birth Certificate?", which completely ignores that, firstly, he DID present it long ago, and, secondly, there never was a reason for him to present it to a bunch of partisan wankers because he eligibility was established long ago.

No, he presented a photo of it on a website. "Held by Fact Check writer Joe Miller". When did writer Joe Miller get the job of certifying presidents? Posting a photo of your social security card on the internet wouldn't even pass to work at Taco Bell would it?

As for the racist part, I seem to have overlooked the many, many threads in which birthers discuss how all the other 40-odd US presidents never presented their birth certificates to the public. Of course, these presidents all happen to be white, while the one president whose birth certificate you demand happens to be black. So what am I supposed to think?

See if you can get beyond the color issue and listen to what 'birthers' are actually saying. I don't need to repeat it. It's all over this thread.

 

[tsig]

I was just pointing out the brilliance of Thunder's comment when you chimed in with your strawman and race card.

No, he presented a photo of it on a website. "Held by Fact Check writer Joe Miller". When did writer Joe Miller get the job of certifying presidents? Posting a photo of your social security card on the internet wouldn't even pass to work at Taco Bell would it?

See if you can get beyond the color issue and listen to what 'birthers' are actually saying. I don't need to repeat it. It's all over this thread.

Congress does that and they did.

 

[Sledge]

We know what birthers are saying. "Why won't he release his birth certificate?" We know why they're saying it. They're racists. Anything else?

 

[TjW]

All it needs is for Obama to say, "Show it".

Well, he probably wouldn't do it that way. He'd wait for a news conference, step back from the podium and say:
"'Scuse me while I whip this out."

 

[DrBaltar]

We know what birthers are saying. "Why won't he release his birth certificate?" We know why they're saying it. They're racists. Anything else?

That's all you got too huh? Doesn't really address the issue though.

 

[Sledge]

How do you address racism? Pointing and laughing, I suppose.

 

[DrBaltar]

How do you address racism? Pointing and laughing, I suppose.

Ah, there's your mistake. You've completely missed the issue that the birthers have. I guess reverse racism blinds people just as much as racism.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

That's all you got too huh? Doesn't really address the issue though.

What issue? That some people will grasp at anything to discredit a president they don't like? even if it's totally in their own minds?

 

[boyntonstu]

The issue, everything but the issue.

Thousands of views, countless newspaper articles, lawsuits, a Governor, etc.

Race, the price of tea in China, it happened, why should he, why not ask about another president, where is yours, my birth certificate, the law, ...................

A single document. is worth 1,000,000+ words.

A picture is only worth 1,000.

 

[Sledge]

Ah, there's your mistake. You've completely missed the issue that the birthers have. I guess reverse racism blinds people just as much as racism.

Go on then, enlighten me.