Merged Their Return

[RoboTimbo]

First, please stop using the word "alien" or "interstellar", in or with references to my threads. I find it is an undo demand that skeptics place on U.F.O.'s, by moving them into the metaphysical. If we allow for them to have 'always' been up there, then they need be only slightly more capable than us. Maybe they've only mastered inter-orbital flight...

My personal theory on the 'media whore' thing, is that IF most of the world was looking at a single place, AND 'they' descended, then no one would be able to deny it happened...

The world would be forced to accept a reality, only a few have direct knowledge of.

The 'reality' of a 'make-believe' scenario according to your OP? In the OP make-believe, we are to assume that all the UFO stories are true, therefore 'alien' and 'interstellar' are perfectly correct.

 

[Sean84]

I have this pet theory that if and when 'the world' is tuned in, they will descend.

That is hilarious for all the wrong reasons.

 

[King of the Americas]

Here... does this make it easier for you to deal with?



I don't care what you call them or where you think they call home... my sentiment still stands. If what you're attributing to them is true, then "The Gods" are a pathetic pack of vainglorious attention whores.

You know it does a little...

It would be best for me if you used lower case "god(s)".

Thanks.

 

[Stray Cat]

My personal theory on the 'media whore' thing, is that IF most of the world was looking at a single place, AND 'they' descended, then no one would be able to deny it happened...

The world would be forced to accept a reality, only a few have direct knowledge of.

And if they didn't appear or land?

Would you then have to admit they don't exist or would you use the Woosual excuse: "we didn't believe hard enough", "there weren't enough people watching" etc.

 

[Weak Kitten]

First, please stop using the word "alien" or "interstellar", in or with references to my threads. I find it is an undo demand that skeptics place on U.F.O.'s, by moving them into the metaphysical. If we allow for them to have 'always' been up there, then they need be only slightly more capable than us. Maybe they've only mastered inter-orbital flight...

My personal theory on the 'media whore' thing, is that IF most of the world was looking at a single place, AND 'they' descended, then no one would be able to deny it happened...

The world would be forced to accept a reality, only a few have direct knowledge of.

Why do you have such a problem with people calling them aliens? I thought that was the term everyone used for "life forms that are not originally from this area/planet". Are you claiming that they were originally from this planet and then left? I fail to see any evidence of a super advanced civilization that all took off for space ages ago.

You seem to like the idea of them being "inter-orbital" but that is equally lacking in evidence. Scientists wanted desperately to find life on other worlds. Can you imagine the funding NASA would get if they found even primitive lifeforms on another planet in our solar system? Greed alone would prevent anyone from covering that up! And yet, here we are, rapidly losing interest in space because all it seems to be is a bunch of dead rocks.

 

[Yeah_Right]

I recall that there was this strange group of ufo cultists in El Cajon California that called themselves, "The Unarians", that thought the enlightened ufo nauts would return in the year 2000. And guess what? didn't happen, and the reason? There was nothing there to come down to begin with. So KoTA they pretty much believed the same thing as you, but didn't get any results, what makes you think you're any different than they were.

 

[23_Tauri]

I think once most of the world tuned in, they would descend, causing EVERY other station not broadcasting it, to begin doing so.

I can't think of anything else being more important at that moment...

Oh I dunno...

"Katie Price tells Husband #5 "it's over" and kicks him out of the marital home; David and Victoria Beckham celebrate the birth of their eighth son. And finally the Earth was invaded by our galactic masters from the Draco star system, who immediately began to harvest humankind for food and genetic material. Now here's Jenny with the weather............."



ETA: Carlitos, I hope I got my quote marks right.
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By strange, paranormal synchronicity, I'm listening to One Nation Under Groove on Radio 6, and the presenters are reminiscing on the night George Clinton and P-Funk landed a mothership on stage in Washington DC in 1975.

Y'see KotA, it's bin dun.

 

[bruto]

King, you seem to be confusing your quest for credibility with that of the whatchamacallitsfromspacewhoaren'tcalledaliens. It's obvious that they do not seek credibility. If they did, they'd have accomplished it by now. They don't care whether or not we think you're a crackpot. They're not your friends in this.

 

[GeeMack]

King, you seem to be confusing your quest for credibility with that of the whatchamacallitsfromspacewhoaren'tcalledaliens. It's obvious that they do not seek credibility. If they did, they'd have accomplished it by now. They don't care whether or not we think you're a crackpot. They're not your friends in this.

... well, unless you're making a model of Devil's Tower from mashed potatoes.

 

[BTMO]

I think we should encourage every woman in the world to lift their shirts and show their breasts at exactly the same moment.

Sorry - what was the question again?

 

[King of the Americas]

And if they didn't appear or land?

Would you then have to admit they don't exist or would you use the Woosual excuse: "we didn't believe hard enough", "there weren't enough people watching" etc.

I've seen them, with my own eyes. They exist. Getting them to do what I want when I want might well be an exercise in futility.

I can't get my cat to bring me a beer, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

 

[King of the Americas]

Why do you have such a problem with people calling them aliens? I thought that was the term everyone used for "life forms that are not originally from this area/planet". Are you claiming that they were originally from this planet and then left? I fail to see any evidence of a super advanced civilization that all took off for space ages ago.

...

I am claiming that they well 'could' be from this planet, an ascended form of life, not entirely unlike us, just several steps higher on the evolutionary ladder.

Well if you don't 'see' it, then it must not exist!

 

[Weak Kitten]

I am claiming that they well 'could' be from this planet, an ascended form of life, not entirely unlike us, just several steps higher on the evolutionary ladder.

Well if you don't 'see' it, then it must not exist!

I would think that any archeologist or paleontologist who found evidence of some ancient, super advanced race would immediately publish it for the world to see. Simple greed, you know, they would be set for life with book deals and their name forever associated with the find of a lifetime. The fact that such evidence has not been produced means it is most likely not there especially given how much we have been poking the remote corners of the world in search of oil. Someone would have found something by now if there was anything to be found.

 

[bruto]

I've seen them, with my own eyes. They exist. Getting them to do what I want when I want might well be an exercise in futility.

I can't get my cat to bring me a beer, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

No, but it does mean that continuing to ask the cat for a beer would be a very silly exercise in futility. Similarly, the long record of nobody getting [whateveryoucallthemwhen they'renotcalledaliens] to land does not, by itself, mean that they do not exist, but everntually one might conclude that trying to induce them to land is not a fruitful endeavor.

 

[King of the Americas]

No, but it does mean that continuing to ask the cat for a beer would be a very silly exercise in futility. Similarly, the long record of nobody getting [whateveryoucallthemwhen they'renotcalledaliens] to land does not, by itself, mean that they do not exist, but everntually one might conclude that trying to induce them to land is not a fruitful endeavor.

And this thread is about theorizing or developing a method of doing so...take part if you wish.

 

[GeeMack]

And this thread is about theorizing or developing a method of doing so...take part if you wish.

I'm sure you'd agree that it is taking part to point out the futility of developing a method of contacting UFOliens, especially given that the people advocating contact don't have the slightest idea how we might go about doing it. And that is of course putting the cart before the horse, since "they" aren't even known to exist other than in some people's fanciful imaginations.

 

[Correa Neto]

1.) Didn't God's latest messenger tell us that sacrifices were useless and or unnecessary?

Which messenger? Jesus? Muhammad? Ashtar Sheran? The Heaven's Gate guru? Some contactee?

And he/she/it was a messenger from "God" or "god"? And which "God" or "god"?

2.) I disagree with your livestock analogy. But I DO believe the stories of abduction are just about identical to how we treat endangered species. That said, while it looks and sounds bad as we poke, probe and prod our animal brethren , our scientists are merely trying to preserve the species.

Well, the way I see it, its just like vets treating livestock or animals at a game farm. By the way, some game farms do a great job in preserving species and the environment. Can you prove my interpretation of Earth as a farm or game farm of humans is wrong? Can you show why yours is better?

Please note that "because it fits my views" is not good enough.

3.) To be annually shaved for their wool?

How naive...
Ever ate lamb's ribs?

4.) Ignore what doesn't fit your equation, great, how convenient.

Oh, sure! I bet its very convenient for you to ignore the many UFO reports where the UFOnauts themselves state that they came from other planets...

Kinda like you are doing at the quote below:

First, please stop using the word "alien" or "interstellar", in or with references to my threads. I find it is an undo demand that skeptics place on U.F.O.'s, by moving them into the metaphysical. If we allow for them to have 'always' been up there, then they need be only slightly more capable than us. Maybe they've only mastered inter-orbital flight...

Or you actually want us to follow your interpretation, your cherry-picking of UFO lore, tailored to your "equation" instead what you stated at the OP?

I have already shown other things you ignored... But if you follow that lead, you might find a path which will ultimately bring you to an answer to the question I made- Why my space opera (as well as many others) could be built from UFO lore and be at last as good as many others?

I think you make an error when you ascribe past behavior to current motives, as if they are exactly what they were yesterday. To ascribe Hitler's "Final Solution" to today's Germany would be wrong.

A bit of a a Godwin here, eh?

Living things, grow, change, and evolve. Why should we not expect 'them' to do the same?

There are way too much conceptual errors with what you wrote. Let me cite just a few:

Why would our current moral standards apply to an alien species? What makes is so special, so unique, so universal?

The ethic code "they" have for themselves may be different from the one "they" have for us. Why would "they" care about their livestock more than we do about ours? I am very polite, peacefull and ethical in respect to my good fellow humans, but I still enjoy eating lambs' ribs, for example. Many pleasant, friendly and peacefull people enjoy hunting.

"Gods" are always (or almost always) painted as eternal or almost eternal. So, the current shepperds may be the same which were around say, 4ky ago or even more. Not too many chances for a change in this case, eh?

Godwins apart, have we as whole actually improved as species regarding ethics and morale? Have you noticed that genocides and mass murders have not stopped since WWII? Humanity has been commiting brutal crimes since it appeared on Earth.

So, how would you like to be served when the skydemons descend?

 

[Elizabeth I]

500 million out of 3.6 billion wasn't 'most' of the world.

Who said anything about "most of the world"? I said I thought 500 million people was a significant number, and I still do. Or do you think your space jockeys got their noses put out of joint because some little jumped-up hairless apes made it into their territory?

I notice you didn't address this question:

So if everybody needs to be watching TV, what's the point of the stadium full of people standing around staring at the sky with their mouths open?

Or this one:

And wouldn't it have made a great picture to have the UFO pilots waiting on the moon to welcome us when we arrived? Their publicists were really lying down on the job on that one.

First, please stop using the word "alien" or "interstellar", in or with references to my threads. I find it is an undo demand that skeptics place on U.F.O.'s, by moving them into the metaphysical...

What is an "undo demand"?

 

[RoboTimbo]

...that history IS a depiction of gods descending from the heavens...

...I find it is an undo demand that skeptics place on U.F.O.'s, by moving them into the metaphysical...

So, you DO want to make-believe they are gods but you DON'T want skeptics to invoke the make-believe metaphysical because it would place an undue demand on the make-believe UFOs?

 

[bruto]

And this thread is about theorizing or developing a method of doing so...take part if you wish.

I am taking part, and I am theorizing. It's tough if my theories are not yours, but there it is. I theorize that your proposed method will not work, because the [whoeverthehelltheyarebutthey'renotofficiallyaliens] will not land upon request.