Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Garrette]

As I said before, you no longer even attempt to hide your dishonesty, do you?

From Wiki on the historicity of Jesus:

...The majority of scholars who study early Christianity believe that the Gospels do contain some reliable information about Jesus,[7][8][9] agreeing that Jesus was a Jew who was regarded as a teacher and healer, that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect of Judaea, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Yup. Which goes exactly to the point of my post which you excised in your quotation. Even ignoring the moving goalposts (the majority of scholars who study early Christianity, i.e., Christian scholars, as opposed to the majority of historians), the wiki entry says they agree on the mundane aspects of a person called Jesus' life. There is no agreement on divinity.

In fact, the same wiki entry says that most of those same scholars say the nativity didn't happen and that details about the resurrection didn't happen, i.e., the miraculous details.

It also says that the agreement on the mundane details is largely a result of a reconstruction of what life would be like; it is not a result of actually finding evidence that your Jesus existed.

I believe if a living God did not will life to be created it never would have been created. If I said what you said I believe which post did it come from. There is no such post.

That's the point. You believe it but can't say the words.

Life from non-life is abiogenesis. God creating Adam from dust is abiogenesis.

It is only the mechanism on which we disagree.

Whether you say it or not, DOC, you believe in abiogenesis.

And nice dodge of the pertinent parts of the post. You are at least consistent in that regard.

 

[John Jones]

I think drive and determination is a good thing, but Hitler probably had more drive and determination than most people. That doesn't mean I believe drive and determination isn't important or a good thing because someone like Hitler had a lot more than most people.

Godwin's law. You lose.

 

[Hokulele]

Lose? As far as I can tell, he isn't even in the game.

 

[wollery]

The only winning move, is not to play.

 

[Lothian]

No I don't believe that life came about by unintelligent random forces, I believe that the living all knowing God of the Bible created all life. Now enough about abiogenesis, although I should have the right to mention it if someone puts down faith -- because you shouldn't put down faith if you have it yourself.

Your opinion does not provide any evidence that the NT authors told the truth.

 

[Lothian]

I believe if a living God did not will life to be created it never would have been created.

Your opinion does not provide any evidence that the NT authors told the truth.

 

[Lothian]

I think drive and determination is a good thing, but Hitler probably had more drive and determination than most people. That doesn't mean I believe drive and determination isn't important or a good thing because someone like Hitler had a lot more than most people.

Your opinion does not provide any evidence that the NT authors told the truth.

 

[six7s]

So where is the historical figure Jesus' body, and you might read post 13104 if you want more evidence.

More?

You have yet to provide ANY

Please, stop lying for your messiah

If you've read my 2300 posts you would know what my evidence is?

Yup

Pure, unadulterated, delusion-reinforcing bollocks

 

[LarianLeQuella]

Most Historians would disagree with you.

You have that (typically) backwards: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6616738&postcount=79

 

[Lothian]

So where is the historical figure Jesus' body.

Everyone in ancient times came back from the dead. You can disprove this easily by showing me Cleopatra's body. So where is it? Where is Herods body? Where is Moses body? Where is Robin Hood's body?

 

[John Jones]

Everyone in ancient times came back from the dead. You can disprove this easily by showing me Cleopatra's body. So where is it? Where is Herods body? Where is Moses body? Where is Robin Hood's body?

Where is Tony Soprano's body?

 

[Garrette]

Where is Tony Soprano's body?

In Grant's Tomb.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

Where is Tony Soprano's body?

He sleeps with the fishes along with Lucca Brasi and Princess Ariel (she's such a tramp).

 

[amb]

Then you would disagree with Richard Dawkins who believes Jesus probably existed?

RD is not a babblical historian. He like most historians/biblical scholars [which he is not] take it for granted that an internment preacher who roamed the Palestinian country side existed.

 

[amb]

No I don't believe that life came about by unintelligent random forces, I believe that the living all knowing God of the Bible created all life. Now enough about abiogenesis, although I should have the right to mention it if someone puts down faith -- because you shouldn't put down faith if you have it yourself.

If this monster was all knowing, how come it didn't for-see the coming of a Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and countless other despots who were responsible for millions of horrible deaths?

 

[Squid]

If this monster was all knowing, how come it didn't for-see the coming of a Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and countless other despots who were responsible for millions of horrible deaths?

So, if it had to power to stop them and then chose not to, is this a crime? Same with a disease in someone... if you have the power to 'heal' someone, and it is very easy to do so, but you choose not to, is it a crime of any sort?

 

[nvidiot]

You're assuming omniscience andomnibenevolence. No rule says universe creating supernatural entities have to have the same view of morals and ethics as we mere mortals.

If there is a god, (and i dont think there is) then he's a right bastard. But I wouldn't expect something of that nature to give two hoots what I think.

 

[amb]

So, if it had to power to stop them and then chose not to, is this a crime? Same with a disease in someone... if you have the power to 'heal' someone, and it is very easy to do so, but you choose not to, is it a crime of any sort?

Yes, it's a capital crime that would bring a death penalty in the USA.
If a doctor has a patient who he can easily cure of a deadly disease and does not, this doctor is charged with murder.

 

[wollery]

RD is not a babblical historian. He like most historians/biblical scholars [which he is not] take it for granted that an internment preacher who roamed the Palestinian country side existed.

Jesus preached about locking people up?

 

[amb]

Jesus preached about locking people up?

What?? Progressive christians like Marcus Borg, Crossan, Shelby Spong and many others say that less than 20% of sayings attributed to Jesus were not uttered by him at all but were placed in his mouth by others.