Merged Discussion of the moon landing "hoax"

[phunk]

So, what percentage higher is 3.7 psi versus 0 psi?

It's undefined, not infinite.

 

[Laton]

I know there was an issue with the latch on the hatch

...Dr. Seuss...?

It's OK, they had an inanimate carbon rod.

 

[matt.tansy]

Kent Brockman reporting live from the JREF:

http://www.20minutos.tv/video/wovXroJzoG-prueba-avi/0/

 

[jadebox]

It's undefined, not infinite.

Sorry, I'm not not going to be goaded into a silly argument over something that isn't pertinent to the topic of this silly thread.

-- Roger

 

[MG1962]

Of course not. The revision was the kind of cheese. Long thought to be limberger, the genesis rock irrefutably determined it to be gouda.

gouda???? What second rate journals have you been reading. Everyone should be aware of Grommit Wallace et al excellent research that proved the Moon is made Wensleydale, with isolated pockets of chedda

 

[MostlyHarmless]

It's undefined, not infinite.

Well, since there is no such thing as a true vacuum, the percentage would not be infinity or undefined. It would just be very high.

 

[jadebox]

Well, since there is no such thing as a true vacuum, the percentage would not be infinity or undefined. It would just be very high.

That's true. The vacuum chamber they used when filming the moon landings couldn't reproduce a total vacuum. That would be impossible.

But, of course, it wasn't necessary because the environment they were simulating, the moon's surface, isn't really covered by a perfect vacuum. There's some air there ... just not much ... essentially zero.

So, when they were filming the moon landings, an actor playing astronauts would stand around in his suits while the air was sucked out of the giant vacuum chamber enclosing the set.

The monstrous pumps pulled half the air out every second. So, while initially, the pressure in the actor's ... err ... astronaut's suit was the same as the pressure outside, one second later, the pressure in the suit was twice the outside pressure. One second after that, and the pressure in the suite was four times the outside pressure.

After about a minute, the astronaut's suit helds about a million trillion (if I counted the zeros correctly) times the pressure of the air outside it. It's apparent that, as the amount of air in the chamber nears zero, the ratio of air in the suit to the air outside quickly approaches ... infinity!

-- Roger

 

[Nonpareil]

gouda???? What second rate journals have you been reading. Everyone should be aware of Grommit Wallace et al excellent research that proved the Moon is made Wensleydale, with isolated pockets of chedda

I'm sorry, sir, but we're all out of cheddar. Not much call for it 'round here, I'm afraid.

 

[MostlyHarmless]

That's true. The vacuum chamber they used when filming the moon landings couldn't reproduce a total vacuum. That would be impossible.

But, of course, it wasn't necessary because the environment they were simulating, the moon's surface, isn't really covered by a perfect vacuum. There's some air there ... just not much ... essentially zero.

So, when they were filming the moon landings, an actor playing astronauts would stand around in his suits while the air was sucked out of the giant vacuum chamber enclosing the set.

The monstrous pumps pulled half the air out every second. So, while initially, the pressure in the actor's ... err ... astronaut's suit was the same as the pressure outside, one second later, the pressure in the suit was twice the outside pressure. One second after that, and the pressure in the suite was four times the outside pressure.

After about a minute, the astronaut's suit helds about a million trillion (if I counted the zeros correctly) times the pressure of the air outside it. It's apparent that, as the amount of air in the chamber nears zero, the ratio of air in the suit to the air outside quickly approaches ... infinity!

-- Roger

And never gets close!

ETA: Because the outside never reaches 0 Atm.

 

[BTMO]

Sorry, I'm not not going to be goaded into a silly argument over something that isn't pertinent to the topic of this silly thread.

-- Roger

Compare...

That's true. The vacuum chamber they used when filming the moon landings couldn't reproduce a total vacuum. That would be impossible.

But, of course, it wasn't necessary because the environment they were simulating, the moon's surface, isn't really covered by a perfect vacuum. There's some air there ... just not much ... essentially zero.

So, when they were filming the moon landings, an actor playing astronauts would stand around in his suits while the air was sucked out of the giant vacuum chamber enclosing the set.

The monstrous pumps pulled half the air out every second. So, while initially, the pressure in the actor's ... err ... astronaut's suit was the same as the pressure outside, one second later, the pressure in the suit was twice the outside pressure. One second after that, and the pressure in the suite was four times the outside pressure.

After about a minute, the astronaut's suit helds about a million trillion (if I counted the zeros correctly) times the pressure of the air outside it. It's apparent that, as the amount of air in the chamber nears zero, the ratio of air in the suit to the air outside quickly approaches ... infinity!

-- Roger

 

[PhantomWolf]

Sorry, I'm not not going to be goaded into a silly argument over something that isn't pertinent to the topic of this silly thread.

-- Roger

Actually it's not silly and is pertinent. When you use statments like "infinately higher" then you are walking into the trap set up by people like Ralph Rene with his linesman's glove in a vaccum box.

If you content that 3.7 psi difference is "infinately higher" in pressure, then why should it matter that Rene's experiment had a pressure difference of nearly 14.7 psi after all they are both "infinately higher" aren't they?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I've read the last 10 pages to catch up on the thread and I'd like to summarize.

NASA sent Apollo mission(s) all the way to the moon, where they orbited but didn't land because Lunar Lander was too hard of a video game and little old ladies were required to reprogram the AGC which was physically larger but computationally an order of magnitude (or not) smaller than a trash-80. So they faked the mission photos and film in a vacuum chamber which could pump down so fast the astronauts hardly had time to overheat in their space suits which were inflated to a pressure infinitely greater than the air pressure on the moon.

It seems so clear. Why am I confused?

 

[matt.tansy]

You forgot the part about NASA messing up the hoax by making all the missions flawless.

 

[Alan]

I've read the last 10 pages to catch up on the thread and I'd like to summarize.

NASA sent Apollo mission(s) all the way to the moon, where they orbited but didn't land because Lunar Lander was too hard of a video game and little old ladies were required to reprogram the AGC which was physically larger but computationally an order of magnitude (or not) smaller than a trash-80. So they faked the mission photos and film in a vacuum chamber which could pump down so fast the astronauts hardly had time to overheat in their space suits which were inflated to a pressure infinitely greater than the air pressure on the moon.

It seems so clear. Why am I confused?

We'll get to the reverse vampires and then it will all make sense.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I also forgot to mention the part where Buzz had every right to punch Bart for calling him a liar, but the poster has every right to insinuate Buzz is a liar without calling him one and still maintains the moral high ground because he (the poster) waffled about whether buzz was lying or not lying, and anyway there's this vacuum chamber and stuff and maybe the speed of gravity issue is wrong in the first place.



Now about those reverse vampires. How do they know what bloodtype to give the victims?

 

[sts60]

They couldn't upload the little old ladies to reprogram the software in the LMs

In all this fine discussion about infinite pressure ratios, I think we neglected to mention another important point.

The LM's AGC was backed up by a completely independent system, with its own computer. The Abort Guidance System was capable of returning the LM to rendezvous with the CSM from any part of the descent or ascent or landed portion. If the AGC had failed, the AGS was ready and able to take over instantly - switch the guidance to the AGS and hit the abort switch.

In flight, of course, the AGCs on the CM and LM essentially served as each other's backups - which happened on Apollo 13.

 

[Hans]

When does the number of angels who can dance on the head of pin come into play?

 

[matt.tansy]

We covered that on page 18.

 

[Justinian2]

In all this fine discussion about infinite pressure ratios, I think we neglected to mention another important point.

The LM's AGC was backed up by a completely independent system, with its own computer. The Abort Guidance System was capable of returning the LM to rendezvous with the CSM from any part of the descent or ascent or landed portion. If the AGC had failed, the AGS was ready and able to take over instantly - switch the guidance to the AGS and hit the abort switch.

In flight, of course, the AGCs on the CM and LM essentially served as each other's backups - which happened on Apollo 13.

Did they ever try to test the AGC from the vicinity of the moon?

 

[PixyMisa]

Now about those reverse vampires. How do they know what bloodtype to give the victims?

Well, this is why blood types are such a big thing in Japan. It's so the reverse vampires know who to bite.