Mobertermy's Pentagon Evidence

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Did they say they thought the commission was set up to fail or not? Yes or no?

No!

Do they think it failed? Yes or no?

No!

What percentage of Americans agree with them?

14%, 1 in 4 Americans believe in the "9/11 was an Inside Job" theory.

76% believe that it was caused by the Terrorists.

 

[WildCat]

Answer my questions in post 475.

Why do you continue to lie about this?

Is it ok to lie for The Truth^TM?

 

[D'rok]

They even said it in their book...flat out lie? Don't be ridiculous.

And Dave quoted the passage from their book. Here is a scan of the page if you don't believe him:

http://books.google.com/books?id=BH...bling around Washington that the 9/11&f=false


Now will you please admit that you have been deceived and you are spreading a lie?

 

[WildCat]

14%, 1 in 4 Americans believe in the "9/11 was an Inside Job" theory.

76% believe that it was caused by the Terrorists.

There is so much math fail here I don't even know where to begin...

 

[Oystein]

Dude you realize they discussed the "set up to fail" thing more than once right?

Please provide citations as evidence to back up your claim!

Did they say they thought the commission was set up to fail or not? Yes or no?

Do they think it failed? Yes or no?

No. Dave already provided the full quote in context that shows they think it succeeded.
Please provide citations as evidence to back up your claim, if you think otherwise!

What percentage of Americans agree with them?

What does it matter?
Please provide evidence to back up your claim, if you have any to make!
What percentage of Americans agrees with you on the Pentagon incident?

 

[Oystein]

Answer my questions in post 475.

You have lied before about the issue you ask about in post 475.

You should set your lie straight first before making any demands on us - the folks you lied to.

 

[Mobertermy]

Right. Should anyone be considered a suspect without evidence? (Remember: you have not presented any evidence that links the US gov to 9/11)

Of course. Are you clueless as to how police investigations are run? There is a difference between being a suspect and being convicted. Merely havinga motive or past behavior is enough to be a suspect.

Of course you can. Unless you are a quadriplegiac.

Wrong. One must also have the will to commit the act. I don't have the will and therefore could not. Could you?

Oh. So in general, people are capable of raping children. Therefore, I may safely suspect that you raped a particular child. Is that the logic? (Yes, it is)

People in general are not capable of raping children. I don't know what's going on in your head that you think this is the case.

I think the native Americans were not US citizens. Your example doesn't fit the bill.

How convenient for you. Were Jews citizens in Germany? Didn't they conveniently have their citizenship taken away and shoved in Ghettos (reservations)? You sure make alot of excuses for Government. You should stop.

South Americans are not US citizens. Your example doesn't fit the bill.

No, that was a separate question.

Please cite examples of where and when the US gov mass-murdered its own citizens.

So there was never any slavery in the US either because the blacks weren't citizens.

 

[Mobertermy]

No. Dave already provided the full quote in context that shows they think it succeeded.

Hey Rummy, answer the question I asked...not the one you wish I asked.

What does it matter?

Well one reason is that K&H said that one of the things that would determine the success of the 911CR is the number of people that found it credible.

Please provide evidence to back up your claim, if you have any to make!
What percentage of Americans agrees with you on the Pentagon incident?

What percentage are agnostic as to what happened to the Pentagon? I don't know. Should we include people in that figure that have never looked into the issue and a merely believing what they are told to believe?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Of course. Are you clueless as to how police investigations are run? There is a difference between being a suspect and being convicted. Merely havinga motive or past behavior is enough to be a suspect.

Sure, explain what happened in Tucson, Arizona.

People in general are not capable of raping children. I don't know what's going on in your head that you think this is the case.

What's this gotta do with 9/11?

How convenient for you. Were Jews citizens in Germany? Didn't they conveniently have their citizenship taken away and shoved in Ghettos (reservations)? You sure make alot of excuses for Government. You should stop.

Our rights are protected by the U.S. Constitution. So screw you!

So there was never any slavery in the US either because the blacks weren't citizens.

Freed slaves were citizens in the Northern parts. Bigotry & racism block your views!

 

[twinstead]

Should we include people in that figure that have never looked into the issue and a merely believing what they are told to believe?

Your cult isn't doing a very good job of convincing these people after almost a decade, are you? That's why you need to get people who can do something about it to your side. Why are you posting here? Obviously most of us HAVE looked into the issue, yet disagree with you. You need to get all those agnostics to your side.

Shouldn't you folks be out there protesting or something?

 

[Oystein]

...
Wrong. One must also have the will to commit the act. I don't have the will and therefore could not. Could you?

Governments are made up of people.
Could you murder 3000?
If not, who in the 2001 government could?
Who had the will to murder US citizens? Please name your suspects by first, middle and family name! Then describe how you know they have the will!

People in general are not capable of raping children. I don't know what's going on in your head that you think this is the case.

You are very wrong on that, sadly.

How convenient for you. Were Jews citizens in Germany? Didn't they conveniently have their citizenship taken away and shoved in Ghettos (reservations)? You sure make alot of excuses for Government. You should stop.

We are not talking about the German dictatorship of 1939. We are talking about the US government.

Unless you allow me to say that you are a child rapist just because I can name a Belgian child rapist, M. Dutroux.

So there was never any slavery in the US either because the blacks weren't citizens.

What a stupid argument!

You say the US government is a suspect because of precedent - that the US government has murdered its own citizens.
You fail to provide examples for this.
I must conclude that you know of no precedent of your prime suspect commiting the crime you accuse them of!

 

[Arus808]

Dude you realize they discussed the "set up to fail" thing more than once right?

NOT a dude.
and yes they discussed it many times and YOU conveiniently ignore that they even stated that even though they FELT they were set up to fail, they WERE STILL ABLE to accomplish what they set out to do, and the Commission was a success.

Despite all the roadblocks. Despite the bush administration fighting back, they wERE still abel to do their jobs!

YOU conveniently have ignored this, and was provided the EXACT AND CORRECT Quote, yet you still spout of the quote mined Truther lie about what they stated.

Did they say they thought the commission was set up to fail or not? Yes or no?

Nice railroad there:
In the beginning: they FELT they were set up to fail (I can't comment or give my opinion on finality since I wasn't apart of the commission:
IN THE END: NO, they did not fail

Do they think it failed? Yes or no?

No

What percentage of Americans agree with them?

more than the 10% - 14% who think that America was involved in 9/11.
Which is on par with the amount of people who suffer from a mental disorder
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publ...count-mental-disorders-in-america/index.shtml

 

[Arus808]

BTW, moberty why do you continue to lie about the "set - up - to fail" quote mine?

 

[D'rok]

In the beginning: they FELT they were set up to fail

That's actually not accurate going by what they say in their book. They point out that there were "grumblings around Washington" that they were set up to fail. They don't say that they themselves felt that way.

 

[Mobertermy]

Governments are made up of people.
Could you murder 3000?
If not, who in the 2001 government could?
Who had the will to murder US citizens? Please name your suspects by first, middle and family name! Then describe how you know they have the will!

The question is are Governments historically capable of killing their own citizens?

You are very wrong on that, sadly.

No. Most people are not capable of raping children and you should be a little worried about yourself that you think this is something you are capable of.

We are not talking about the German dictatorship of 1939. We are talking about the US government.

No. We are talking about gnocide and citizenship. I asked you a simple question: did the Jews have their citizenship revoked before they were mass murderedby your government? If the answer is yes it this little loophole a good reason for you to claim your government never killed its own citizens. And if that loophole isn't legitimate in regards to your country then why should it be in regards to mine?

Unless you allow me to say that you are a child rapist just because I can name a Belgian child rapist, M. Dutroux.

We are talking about the nature of governments in general and whether or not it is in their nature to kill their own citizens. I kow what the founding fathers would say. Leave child rape out of it...the more you talk about it the more apparent it becomes that you think raping children is natural.

What a stupid argument!

You say the US government is a suspect because of precedent - that the US government has murdered its own citizens.
You fail to provide examples for this.
I must conclude that you know of no precedent of your prime suspect commiting the crime you accuse them of!

You still aren't following the argument. The argument is about Government in general. But beyond that there is a precedent of the US govt killing its own citizens...putting Indians on reservations is no more of a loophole than putting Jews in Ghettos and claiming they aren't citizens.

 

[Arus808]

That's actually not accurate going by what they say in their book. They point out that there were "grumblings around Washington" that they were set up to fail. They don't say that they themselves felt that way.

thanks for that, I "felt" that they "felt" they were set up to fail. This is just my interpretation of what they said from the quoted passage from the book.

 

[Mobertermy]

NOT a dude.
and yes they discussed it many times and YOU conveiniently ignore that they even stated that even though they FELT they were set up to fail, they WERE STILL ABLE to accomplish what they set out to do, and the Commission was a success.

Good then you finally admit that they said they were set up to fail

Despite all the roadblocks. Despite the bush administration fighting back, they wERE still abel to do their jobs!

According to them but not 42% of the US population according to a zogby poll. So KH didn't even meet one of their criteria for success which is providing an explanation which the US populace found satisfactory. Or is 42% of the populace now in a cult?

 

[Arus808]

The question is are Governments historically capable of killing their own citizens?

irrelevant to the discussion and not even what is being discussed.

We have stated over and over and NONE of us have ever stated that a govt could not, or will not kill its own citizens (for some reason or another). You are making an argument against a statement that has never been made.



and please take your genocide issues to another thread.

Like why do you continue to lie about the "set - up - to - fail" quote?

 

[Arus808]

Good then you finally admit that they said they were set up to fail

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT I STATED! You are twisting my words and the words of EVERY SINGLE Person who have shown you over and over again that this WAS NOT THE CASE!

boy you're not even good at this and YOU are apparently seeing purple when only red exists.

I said they felt (my interpretation) they were set up to fail because of the bush administration fighting them (in the end, the Bush Administration added additional funding due to pressure from outside groups and within Washington). HOWEVER they DID NOT FAIL. \


all that is important is THE END RESULT: the 9/11 Commission was a success. they got their report and published it.

what part of this do you have a hard time understanding?

According to them but not 42% of the US population according to a zogby poll. So KH didn't even meet one of their criteria for success which is providing an explanation which the US populace found satisfactory. Or is 42% of the populace now in a cult?

Please link to where 42% believe 9/11 was an inside job. And use a CURRENT poll not one from 2006



again, why do you continue to post the lie about the "set - up - to - fail" ?

 

[Mobertermy]

irrelevant to the discussion and not even what is being discussed.

We have stated over and over and NONE of us have ever stated that a govt could not, or will not kill its own citizens (for some reason or another). You are making an argument against a statement that has never been made.

Actually, I am pretty sure I am arguing against what Oystein is saying.

and please take your genocide issues to another thread.

Nope, its relevant to what Oystein is saying.

Like why do you continue to lie about the "set - up - to - fail" quote?

I'm not. They said they were set up to fail. 42% of Americans think they did. That is failure.