The character assassination of Richard Goldstone

[fuelair]

That is only partially true. The commission looked at instances of rockets fired into Israel, which is only one of several types of the war crimes that Hamas was accused of. The other ones were all related to tactics who aim was to increase the level of civilian causalities on their own side, or blur the distinction between civilians and fighters: fighting without uniform, putting fighting units near civilians, using hospitals as headquarters. These were not seriously looked into, and the commission never interviewed Hamas fighters about their tactics, even though Hamas was supposedly cooperating with the commission.

Of course knowledge of these tactics is REQUIRED in order to judge whether many of the dead were civilians or not, and whether Israeli actions are justified or not. By not looking into that aspect the commission has made itself into a show trail. This is expanded upon it an excellent article, here. Goldestone as the head of this commission richly deserve criticism, though I would not support actions such as preventing him from attending a family event, etc.

For the pro palestinian terrorist fans, you are wasting your time pointing this out. That it is an absolute violation of the Rules of Warfare in multiple forms gets glossed over OR at best covered as (and I am trying to avoid a strawman, but I am stating this as accurately as possible from posts by a number of people on this forum/in these threads) as either "......" or" but if they did not do that they would all be killed by the Israelis/IDF".

I freely admit that my response to the latter tends to be "so what" as I don't care if they are killed, or whatever -do not like terrorists, never will, want them all dead. My attitude does not change the fact that they violate the rules of war and are, by default, responsible for any civilian deaths caused when Israelis are forced to attack them in responce to their assaults/attacks on Israel and Israeli civilians.

 

[Thunder]

I wonder if any of the Neo-Zionists here support the horrible and slanderous things that have been said about Richard Goldstone.

 

[Merko]

The Goldstone report gave a lot more space for Israeli victims than for Palestinians. He's not only Jewish, which should be irrelevant, but also a self-described zionist.

However, he made the mistake of preparing an honest report with as much neutrality as he could, and the consequences were predictable.

Times have gotten better, though. In 1948, the Swedish UN diplomat Folke Bernadotte, a staunch supporter of Israel, was deemed insufficiently partial in favour of the Israelis, who assassinated him.

 

[Thunder]

Times have gotten better, though. In 1948, the Swedish UN diplomat Folke Bernadotte, a staunch supporter of Israel, was deemed insufficiently partial in favour of the Israelis, who assassinated him.

And his assassins are honored by Israel.

 

[Merko]

And his assassins are honored by Israel.

Well. Yitzhak Shamir, who ordered the murder, went on to become prime minister. The shooter was promoted to bodyguard for the president. However, other Israeli leaders, such as Shimon Peres, have condemned the attack.

The relevant lesson for today I believe is that Israeli need to understand that their country was in no small part built by terrorists. As they achieved some of their goals - a Jewish state - some of these went on to become democratic statesmen of the highest ranks. They need to understand that it is unrealistic and historically hypocritical to demand that only Palestinians that are totally clear of any connection to terrorism should be allowed to take part in the formation of a Palestinian state.

 

[Mycroft]

Well. Yitzhak Shamir, who ordered the murder, went on to become prime minister. The shooter was promoted to bodyguard for the president. However, other Israeli leaders, such as Shimon Peres, have condemned the attack.

The relevant lesson for today I believe is that Israeli need to understand that their country was in no small part built by terrorists. As they achieved some of their goals - a Jewish state - some of these went on to become democratic statesmen of the highest ranks. They need to understand that it is unrealistic and historically hypocritical to demand that only Palestinians that are totally clear of any connection to terrorism should be allowed to take part in the formation of a Palestinian state.

Israel has resigned itself to dealing with terrorist Palestinian statesmen for decades now.

Your rhetoric is very out-dated.

 

[Thunder]

Israel has resigned itself to dealing with terrorist Palestinian statesmen for decades now.

Your rhetoric is very out-dated.

And the world tolerated Israel having former-terrorists as Prime Ministers.

Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin. Two former-terrorists who became Prime Minister of the Jewish State.

 

[WildCat]

And the world tolerated Israel having former-terrorists as Prime Ministers.

Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin. Two former-terrorists who became Prime Minister of the Jewish State.

Ah, so what happened 50 years ago means it's OK for Gaza to be run by terrorists today?

 

[funk de fino]

Ah, so what happened 50 years ago means it's OK for Gaza to be run by terrorists today?

Ironic considering your attempts to bring WWII into a few threads recently.

Is it possible to be addicted to hypocrisy?

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by WildCat
Ah, so what happened 50 years ago means it's OK for Gaza to be run by terrorists today?

In another thread, a member suggested that building Jew-only housing in East Jerusalem is ok because the property used to house a hotel that was owned by the Hitler-supporting Mufti of Jerusalem.....65 years ago.

 

[WildCat]

Ironic considering your attempts to bring WWII into a few threads recently.

Is it possible to be addicted to hypocrisy?

Do you even know what hypocrisy means?

Hint: your example isn't it.

 

[WildCat]

In another thread, a member suggested that building Jew-only housing in East Jerusalem is ok because the property used to house a hotel that was owned by the Hitler-supporting Mufti of Jerusalem.....65 years ago.

And?

 

[Mycroft]

Originally Posted by WildCat [qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif[/qimg]
Ah, so what happened 50 years ago means it's OK for Gaza to be run by terrorists today?

In another thread, a member suggested that building Jew-only housing in East Jerusalem is ok because the property used to house a hotel that was owned by the Hitler-supporting Mufti of Jerusalem.....65 years ago.

No, they suggested it's okay because that's what the owner of the building wanted to do with it.

And calling it "Jew only" is a bit misleading. It's for ultra-Orthodox. You wouldn't be welcome there.

 

[The Fool]

No, they suggested it's okay because that's what the owner of the building wanted to do with it.

And calling it "Jew only" is a bit misleading. It's for ultra-Orthodox. You wouldn't be welcome there.

"jew only" is a misleading description for only Jews?

like "white only" would be misleading if it was for certain whites only?

Its misleading to say I only eat fish because I don't eat some species of fish..... Basically....this dog doesn't hunt

 

[Thunder]

And calling it "Jew only" is a bit misleading. It's for ultra-Orthodox. You wouldn't be welcome there.

right. if Arab Muslims convert to Judaism, they will then be able to live there.

that's....nice.

 

[WildCat]

right. if Arab Muslims convert to Judaism, they will then be able to live there.

that's....nice.

If they became ultra-orthodox they could.

 

[WildCat]

Don't worry The Fool, you too can become an ultra-orthodox Jew, even ex-con black rappers can!

Reformed rapper and ex-convict Shyne said Tuesday he is eager to collaborate with artists ranging from young Israeli musicians to hip hop moguls Kanye West and Jay-Z as he revives his career.

After serving eight years in prison for a nightclub shooting, the former protege of Sean "Diddy" Combs is now living in Jerusalem as an ultra-Orthodox Jew. Born Jamaal Michael Barrow, Shyne also goes now by the Hebrew name Moshe Levi Ben-David.

No word yet on whether or not he'll live in the new housing in the OP.

 

[Mycroft]

"jew only" is a misleading description for only Jews?

Yes. Because it implies that someone only need to be Jewish in order to live there, where the reality is it will be a religious community where most Jews would neither qualify nor want to live there.

like "white only" would be misleading if it was for certain whites only?

Yes, keep pushing this smear. Be one of the brave few who stands against Jewish Supremicism. After all, Bishadi and Giwer get themselves suspended too often to hold that banner all on their own.

Its misleading to say I only eat fish because I don't eat some species of fish..... Basically....this dog doesn't hunt

Nor does your attempts to smear Jews as racists because some of them want to form religious communities. It's not racist when Muslims and Christians do it, but Jews are different, I guess.

 

[The Fool]

Yes. Because it implies that someone only need to be Jewish in order to live there, where the reality is it will be a religious community where most Jews would neither qualify nor want to live there.

once again...you are logically and factually incorrect. Jews only is not a misleading description for a place that only allows Jews. Would it be misleading to describe a restaurant as vegetarian if it did not serve carrots?

Yes, keep pushing this smear. Be one of the brave few who stands against Jewish Supremicism. After all, Bishadi and Giwer get themselves suspended too often to hold that banner all on their own.

a cheap non answer.

Nor does your attempts to smear Jews as racists because some of them want to form religious communities. It's not racist when Muslims and Christians do it, but Jews are different, I guess.

umm, who says its not racist when Muslims and Christians do it? You are the one that is trying to rationalize an inconsistent position.....you can see the problem when its whites only but suddenly the rose colored glasses go on when its jews only.

 

[Thunder]

It's not racist when Muslims and Christians do it, but Jews are different, I guess.

putting words in other people's mouths.

that's cute.