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Merged Discussion of the moon landing "hoax"

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matt.tansy said:
Keep in mind video was transmitted live into the MOCR. All the Mission Controllers, CAPCOMs, Flight Directors, NASA HQ staff, technicians, support personnel, visitors from numerous domestic and foreign governments, and the astronauts' wives would see it.

Please explain how you can record video, slow it down to 40%, and transmit it to the MOCR?
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That's why I asked if it was the ORIGINAL footage.

It would have been easy to have pre-recorded the landing in area 51 (which has a location that looks like the moon) and then played back the recording and said that it was live.

I'm assuming the original footage could not have been doctored. That's why it is important to know if it was the original footage.
 
What about the Aussies at Parkes, who were getting the live feed (since the US was on the wrong side of the planet at the time) Are they in on the conspiracy?
 
Ravenwood said:
What about the Aussies at Parkes, who were getting the live feed (since the US was on the wrong side of the planet at the time) Are they in on the conspiracy?
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On November 1, 2006 Cosmos Magazine reported that some one-hundred data tapes recorded in Australia during the Apollo 11 mission had been discovered in a small marine science laboratory in the main physics building at the Curtin University of Technology in Perth, Australia. One of the old tapes has been sent to NASA for analysis. The slow-scan television images were not on the tape.[105] Britain's Sunday Express reported in late June 2009 that the missing tapes were found in storage facility in the basement of a building on a university campus in Perth, Australia
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On July 16, 2009, NASA indicated that it must have erased the original Apollo 11 Moon footage years ago so that it could reuse the tape. On December 22, 2009 NASA issued a final report on the Apollo 11 telemetry tapes [106] Senior engineer Dick Nafzger, who was in charge of the live TV recordings back during the Apollo missions, is now in charge of the restoration project. After an extensive three-year search, an "inescapable conclusion" was that approximately 45 tapes (estimated 15 tapes recorded at each of the three tracking stations) of Apollo 11 video were erased and reused, said Nafzger.[107] In time for the 40th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing, Lowry Digital of Burbank, California has been tasked with restoring the surviving footage. President of Lowry Digital Mike Inchalik stated that, "this is by far and away the lowest quality" video the company has previously dealt with. Nafzger praised Lowry for restoring "crispness" to the Apollo video, which will remain in black and white and contain conservative digital enhancements. The $230,000 restoration project that will take months to complete will not include sound quality improvements. Some selections of restored footage in high definition have been made available on the NASA website.[108]
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Apollo 11 video should not be considered proof of anything.
 
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Why are the Parkes original videos suspect, they were the ones getting the lunar feed, & they still exist...
 
Justinian2 said:
That's why I asked if it was the ORIGINAL footage.

It would have been easy to have pre-recorded the landing in area 51 (which has a location that looks like the moon) and then played back the recording and said that it was live.
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Why is it always Area 51 with you guys? Does Area 51 have gray sand?

Each J mission EVA lasted for 7~8 hours. That would require 2.8~3.2 hours of continuous filming (to simulate the Moon's gravity if it were really filmed on Earth), without any cuts, because the camera on the LRV was constantly transmitting video back to the Earth. Then the astronauts and CAPCOM all participated in a carefully choreographed audio exchange in sync with the live video seen in MCC that was designed to fool all the flight controllers and backroom support personnel? This choreography also included the astronauts dropping things and CAPCOM informing them they dropped something and the astronaut turning around and picking it back up, replying to requests and asking questions of the backroom geologists and then doing something that was asked by the geologist, intentionally drilling in too deep and falling down, accidentally pulling out a cable from an experiment and having a conversation with the scientist who designed the experiment, and astronauts asking CAPCOM to say something again? Did the CAPCOM have a teleprompter in front of him that no one else could see?
 
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Spindrift said:
I know he doesn't trust NASA but here are images of the Apollo landing sites taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO). Notice the image of the Apollo 14 site, you can see the path made by the astronauts to the spot where they deployed some instruments.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Justinian2 - Are these faked?
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Someone commented why there are no photo's taken of the Earth when they were on the Moon. Can't the Earth be seen from the Moon?
 
AdMan said:
Do a little research before you continue spouting nonsense.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...merican_Flag,_and_Earth_(Apollo_17_EVA-1).jpg
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Looks fake.

Try this one.

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Justinian2 said:
Apollo 11 video should not be considered proof of anything.
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Since it is perfectly possible to proof Apollo without the video who cares?

Which brings me to this: considering the obsession of the average MHB with the visual material, rather then the technical and scientific aspects (which they don't understand anyway), would there have been more, or less, hoaxies if Apollo hadn't bothered to bring video-cameras?
 
Ravenwood said:
What about the Aussies at Parkes, who were getting the live feed (since the US was on the wrong side of the planet at the time) Are they in on the conspiracy?
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I'm gonna stick my neck out and guess that the whole world was involved-in the Hoaxed Moon Landing conspiracy.
 
When proposing the EVAs were pre-recorded keep in mind the spacecraft were constantly tracked all the way from launch at KSC to re-entry.
Manned Space Flight Network (MSFN) Postmission Report on the AS-506 (Apollo 11) Mission (PDF)

Also keep in mind all voice communications, telemetry, MCC control of various spacecraft systems (including the AGC), biomedical data, television, tracking, and ranging signal were transmitted on a single frequency.

The radio signals were used for determining velocity by measuring the Doppler shift.
 
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Travis said:
Yeah I'd love to see a huge film stage that can be turned into a vacuum. The machinery necessary would be impressive. The building itself would be a technical wonder.
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Think of how many space suits they'd need for the stage crew.
 
tsig said:
Think of how many space suits they'd need for the stage crew.
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Not really. It's entirely possible to place windows in the walls of a vacuum chamber that can reach 10e-6 torr. Filming could have been done from outside the chamber.
 
Except that the chamber would need to be on the order of half a kilometer wide, probably more.
 
Spindrift: I expect the response to be: "That could be anything." These guys are arguing for the sake of arguing. Or, "How do you know that's what you claim it is ... prove it.".


It's basically hopeless when it come to the MHBs.
 
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