Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[katy_did]

Doesn't Amanda's lamp in ILE photos have a big #4 marker in front of it in photos? Or is that marker for something else nearby? If it's for the lamp then I can't see how they would be the ones to bring it in there, then put an evidence marker in front of it as if it were part of the crime. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Depends which police officer took it in there and when, and also when the ILE markers were set down. For example, if Battistelli had gone back inside the house and used the lamp prior to the Carabinieri's arrival, the later police officers to arrive on the scene may not have realized the lamp wasn't there originally; same applies if it was the first Carabinieri officers on the scene. Obviously it wouldn't have been deliberate, but with so many police officers there coming and going, it would've been easy to assume it had been there all along.

 

[katy_did]

Wow. The lengths they go to to get an innocent person accused of murder. They already have the guilty party and they know it. Why go after an innocent girl, the cousin and friend of the victim. I do not understand this.

And according to Frank, even to the point of preventing Michele from speaking about the case when interviewed by Sabrina's lawyer, so he couldn't ask directly about the contents of the letter. I agree, it's beyond understanding why there's such an interest in maintaining a particular theory of guilt and suppressing or ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

 

[Malkmus]

Depends which police officer took it in there and when, and also when the ILE markers were set down. For example, if Battistelli had gone back inside the house and used the lamp prior to the Carabinieri's arrival, the later police officers to arrive on the scene may not have realized the lamp wasn't there originally; same applies if it was the first Carabinieri officers on the scene. Obviously it wouldn't have been deliberate, but with so many police officers there coming and going, it would've been easy to assume it had been there all along.

True, those pictures were apparently taken in the evening of Nov. 2. I wonder if Charlie could verify from the video of the bedroom taken at 15:00 in the afternoon whether the lamp is there or not.

 

[Dan O.]

In the pages from the defence document on this it says: "both the file “windowserver.log” and the log file of the screensaver “com.apple.screensaver.0016cba0b7.plist” were completely ignored in the Postal Police's analysis". So I guess the latter is the screensaver he was running? The defence claim that the windowserver file recorded the times when the screensaver activated and deactivated.

0016cba0b7 is the private MAC address of Raffaele's Mac. The name and settings of the screensaver would be in that .plist file which at that time would be an XML text file so rather trivial to read. and would look something like this:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
	<key>idleTime</key>
	<integer>1200</integer>
	<key>moduleName</key>
	<string>Computer Name</string>
	<key>modulePath</key>
	<string>/System/Library/Frameworks/ScreenSaver.framework/Resources/Computer Name.saver</string>
	<key>showClock</key>
	<true/>
</dict>
</plist>

 

[RoseMontague]

Depends which police officer took it in there and when, and also when the ILE markers were set down. For example, if Battistelli had gone back inside the house and used the lamp prior to the Carabinieri's arrival, the later police officers to arrive on the scene may not have realized the lamp wasn't there originally; same applies if it was the first Carabinieri officers on the scene. Obviously it wouldn't have been deliberate, but with so many police officers there coming and going, it would've been easy to assume it had been there all along.

It's not like they just dragged something into Meredith's room that could have both Amanda'a and Raffaele's DNA on it. Then it might be a concern or make you wonder what other furniture, clothes, or accessories they may have dragged in there from other places in the flat as well.

 

[Draca]

Window in Meredith's room

I believe Meredith's shutters were closed.

It doesn't look like it. It looks completely open, not even curtains.

What time does it get dark in Nov. in Perugia? 5-6pm maybe?

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=185001314857681&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034

 

[CDHost]

The thing about PMF you have to understand is their name is misleading. You would think with the name Perugian Murder Files they would actually discuss the evidence there. Thats not the case. They discuss their hatred for knox, knox's family, anyone that gave evidence in support of knox, anyone that supports truth and justice for knox, and/or anyone that believes knox is innocent. If you want to discuss the evidence there, dont bother. If you want to discuss knox's sex life, they would love your input. They like discussing her sex life.

Well you are right they don't like to discuss evidence directly. They worship the courts and hence the font of all wisdom is in Massei. I have yet to hear any of them willing to say directly that Massei could successfully read Meredith's mind from beyond the grave but I think they agree he could.

But, they seem to try and speculate on the case sometimes quite interestingly. For example they had a recent discussion of the mop comments by Amanda that I thought was enlightening. And it was funny too because some of their speculation actually led to a manslaughter rather than a murder.

But it is a hate blog so they like to reassure themselves they are all in group by saying horrible things about a child. I really wish that some of them would take a look at a Christian Identity blog or America Forever to just get some idea of how ugly what they are doing is. Substitute Amanda for blacks or gays or....

 

[Draca]

Amanda's lamp

Doesn't Amanda's lamp in ILE photos have a big #4 marker in front of it in photos? Or is that marker for something else nearby? If it's for the lamp then I can't see how they would be the ones to bring it in there, then put an evidence marker in front of it as if it were part of the crime. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

It seems the head of the lamp was underneath the bed.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=185001314857681&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034#!/photo.php?fbid=185001311524348&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034&pid=545426&id=106344459390034


The lamp is lying on its side with the base behind the door and the head extending under the bed. The cord extends so the plug is just outside the doorway.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=185001314857681&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034#!/photo.php?fbid=185001318191014&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034&pid=545428&id=106344459390034

 

[Kaosium]

One of our local columnists made this remark:

"Another International Outrage: A Capitol Hill park that was to be named after Seattle's sister city of Perugia, Italy, before the Amanda Knox case has been renamed Summit Slope Park. We're pretty bummed that the alternate name we submitted was rejected out of hand. "Twisted Medieval Jurisprudence System Park" sort of had a nice ring to it."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/ronjudd/2013940696_judd16.html

I can understand how naming that park might have been contentious in Seattle given the acrimony this case might have caused in certain quarters, but I find it unfortunate that Perugians, the vast majority of whom had nothing to do with this case, might feel offended by the name change.

I think a compromise should have been reached, something that would've allowed the Perugian theme to endure. Mayhap some subtlety might have been employed; after all I'm sure most Seattlites wouldn't want anyone to think they were cowed by xenophobic concerns. Perhaps you could have named it after something in that region, but avoided actually naming it after the city itself to placate those outraged by the fate of Amanda Knox? Something publicly owned, in keeping with the progressive traditions of Seattle?

I was thinking 'Ferrovia Centrale Umbra Park' might have been a very appropriate name for your new facility.

 

[CDHost]

1. There have been discussions in the previous thread. Try searching for "screen saver".

I have both the Italian and Google translated test of Raffaele's appeal listed on my docstoc page:
....

Dan, Rose thanks for the links.

I did manage to find graphics that I think do a good job of describing what a windowserver is and what windowserver.log records. Using the "a picture is worth 1000 words" I think I can put something together which is understandable. In reading the appeal though to tie the general information from Apple into the specific case, there is a lot of vagueness.

In particular though windowserver.log showing activity doesn't prove a human operator. The argument that the screen saver engaged and disengaged would be useful, but by itself isn't enough and we are missing details. And the file download they mention hitting at 9:32 is something.

Do we have anything more detailed from the defense or prosecution? Right now I'm not sure how to make the case from the details they provide in the appeal. I know the appeals is not an evidence record but do we have the full fledged filing?

 

[Chris C]

It seems the head of the lamp was underneath the bed.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=185001314857681&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034#!/photo.php?fbid=185001311524348&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034&pid=545426&id=106344459390034


The lamp is lying on its side with the base behind the door and the head extending under the bed. The cord extends so the plug is just outside the doorway.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=185001314857681&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034#!/photo.php?fbid=185001318191014&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034&pid=545428&id=106344459390034

Well here is the spheron pick. There is 2 things different.
1st the cord is inside the room
2nd the object circled is in a different location.

 

[Draca]

Well here is the spheron pick. There is 2 things different.
1st the cord is inside the room
2nd the object circled is in a different location.

What do you think that is circled?

The cord had to have been in the room originally before the door was broken open.

 

[RWVBWL]

Yeah I read Franks part about Knox. Seems the Prosecution investigated them for 2 years after finding one of thems number on Knox's cell phone. I wonder how many other people they investigated for 2 years for being on Knox's cell phone. In a way, all Americans should be thanking Italy for all these investigations. Their legal system is dragging down the Euro and helping slow the collapse of our own economy.

Hi Chris C and others,
I too had a look at Perugia Shock's latest. Frank Szarzo is the man, always tellin' it like it is. This stuck out at me:
"The Giornale explains that the cops had followed one of the guys --whose name was in Amanda’s phone, and who had been exchanging calls with her around the days of Meredith death-- and found that he was into cocaine. That investigation, which started from the investigation for Meredith, lead to the conviction of the guy and two more people."
So let me get this straight. Somebody whom Amanda Knox had met while living and studying in Perugia back in late summer/fall of 2007 was selling cocaine and got busted, has went to trial and has been convicted. Correct?

But Super Witness Antonio Curatolo, who testified against Amanda Knox in her murder trial, who also seemingly had his fingers in the heroin trade and was busted back in 2003, still has not even been to court yet. Why not?
Hmmm...

 

[Chris C]

What do you think that is circled?

The cord had to have been in the room originally before the door was broken open.

Of course there is also this picture of the desk with what appears to be a lamp sitting on it, with a red push button that looks like Knox's lamp. Anyone got a full picture of Knox's lamp?

 

[Draca]

Lamp - Dec 18th on desk

Dec 18th, lamp on desk

 

[Chris C]

I just looked closely at Sollecito's DNA profile and the bra clasp for the first time. I now understand why, Sollecito's defense claims its not his profile. They mix matched high and low peaks. After comparing my DNA to that bra clasp, I can't rule out myself as a suspect. Good thing I wasn't in Italy when it happened

 

[Chris C]

Dec 18th, lamp on desk

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_401664d33c3eee2d21.jpg[/qimg]

The one I posted has bloody clothes and blood on the floor. Do you have one from Nov. 2 or 3rd?

 

[Draca]

The one I posted has bloody clothes and blood on the floor. Do you have one from Nov. 2 or 3rd?

Not of the lamp standing up. Only lying behind the door like the one I posted above. (Post - 1448)

Your photo of the jacket is from Dec 18th also. I cropped that one myself - it was from the follow Meredith's blue jacket post.

Here's one showing it in a larger context. It would be from the afternoon of Nov 2.
I took the close-up from this photo:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=185029601521519&set=a.124466634244483.15396.106344459390034

 

[Mary_H]

I can understand how naming that park might have been contentious in Seattle given the acrimony this case might have caused in certain quarters, but I find it unfortunate that Perugians, the vast majority of whom had nothing to do with this case, might feel offended by the name change.

I think a compromise should have been reached, something that would've allowed the Perugian theme to endure. Mayhap some subtlety might have been employed; after all I'm sure most Seattlites wouldn't want anyone to think they were cowed by xenophobic concerns. Perhaps you could have named it after something in that region, but avoided actually naming it after the city itself to placate those outraged by the fate of Amanda Knox? Something publicly owned, in keeping with the progressive traditions of Seattle?

I was thinking 'Ferrovia Centrale Umbra Park' might have been a very appropriate name for your new facility.

Many comment sections were devoted to discussions of this for several days. It was hard to figure out exactly what the issue was. The papers said "people" were against naming it Perugia Park, but it was never made clear whether they were against it because they were against Perugia or against Amanda. It was very political and mysterious.

I, for one, think if they had named it Perugia Park, very few people in Seattle would have noticed or cared at the time, and it might have softened Perugia's heart. It's possible that was even the original intention. I'm pretty sure the most vocal proponent was a supporter of Amanda.

 

[Mary_H]

....Thank you for all the laughs you've given me reading this thread initially and since I've started posting. You offer a unique perspective, and it just so happens your tales bring back fond memories being as I once spent a fair amount of time in your general area, both north and south of where you reside. If you take the El Camino Real north about an hour from the LAX region you pass a (big!) rock where that "dark desert highway" now goes inside rather than outside, which supposedly was because before it was re-routed that stretch had gained a reputation. If you know the name of that rock, and oddly enough if you follow that link about a minute in you see something in Italy that looks very much like it, you know where I resided. We were told that the surfer dudes all hated us because we had access to a beach restricted to everyone else that we seldom used that just happened to be right up the coast from some of the most expensive beachfront property in the world.

When I was south of where you are now, a few hours or so, if I got onto a different highway I could go to a place named after Jack Murphy (at least then) a few minutes farther south and find wholesome, good old American fun with hot dogs and Cracker Jacks. However if one continued in that direction a while longer there was 'entertainment' available that wasn't nearly as innocent and which I'm pretty damn sure would outrage some, but going from what I saw fairly recently in this thread, and elsewhere in venues interested in this case, I couldn't help but snicker as I'm virtually certain they were worried about the fate of the wrong party involved.

Which just made me laugh like hell, as some obviously had no clue what they should have been getting their knickers in a twist about...

I want to go to there.