Mobertermy's Pentagon Evidence

BCR said:
He was simply mistaken. On 9/11 he was not focused on poles, he was focused on the huge fireball rising above the place he was responsible to secure. He spent his time at the scene, not the poles. Again, his brain put the plane NoC, so he had to put the poles NoC. There are plenty of just after the event video and photographs. They all put the poles down on the SoC approach and not one shows any evidence of pole damage down towards the ANC.
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Father McGraw put the cabs and pole NoC too...also mistaken right?
 
tsig said:
I know governments are capable of killing their own citizens but that doesn't change the physical fact of what happened.
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So you, and they other people that admit that governments do kill their own people, must not think there is anything inherently preposterous about thinking the US gov't could have done this on 9/11 right? You just don't think the evidence supports it?
 
BCR said:
That is part of it, but the fact is the plane was over the Citgo for a second or less, after which it was east of the Citgo. Sometimes when witnesses experience something as extreme as this was (especially with the limited visibility of the overhead canopy), the brain just fills in the missing blanks. Lagasse was on the north side, so his brain registered the plane was too. But, he was facing towards his car, towards the Citgo according to his statements. From that POV he would have had a very brief instance of the plane as it came past the Navy Annex when it would have been in his field of view.

Put on top of the limited visibility the noise bouncing off the hillside on the Annex side and reverberating underneath the canopy and who can blame Robert for running inside the Citgo (although he claims he ran up the embankment).

I've never been critical of the Citgo witnesses. I simply recognize the circumstances of their observations. They believe they saw what they saw the way they remember seeing it. The brain likes to make sense of the world, so it fills in the blanks for us quite often.
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But why do they all seem to misremember it the same way?
 
Mobertermy said:
So you, and they other people that admit that governments do kill their own people, must not think there is anything inherently preposterous about thinking the US gov't could have done this on 9/11 right? You just don't think the evidence supports it?
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More nonsense.

Who in the USA did our government kill on 911? Prove it.

It is preposterous the US did 911, and is signs of insanity or extreme paranoia. Are you paranoid?
 
Mobertermy said:
But why do they all seem to misremember it the same way?
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Mobertermy, you are starting to get boring. The location of the downed poles is not in dispute. As I said before, there are photographs and video taken at that location within minutes of the event that establish exactly where the poles were downed at. Your question is moot. There is absolutely no evidence of downed poles in the location you are suggesting. Darn, you are starting to sound just like Craig Ranke.
 
BCR said:
Mobertermy, you are starting to get boring. The location of the downed poles is not in dispute. As I said before, there are photographs and video taken at that location within minutes of the event that establish exactly where the poles were downed at. Your question is moot. There is absolutely no evidence of downed poles in the location you are suggesting. Darn, you are starting to sound just like Craig Ranke.
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Well im giving Mobertermy every opportunity to produce them.

Go ahead. Ill wait. Produce the DOT numbered poles you think the noc witnesses were talking about. Ive been waiting two days but you skipped right over my posts. Do you have me on ignore? Or do you know as soon as you pick a pole I can prove to you it was standing on that day.
 
BCR said:
Mobertermy, you are starting to get boring. The location of the downed poles is not in dispute. As I said before, there are photographs and video taken at that location within minutes of the event that establish exactly where the poles were downed at. Your question is moot. There is absolutely no evidence of downed poles in the location you are suggesting. Darn, you are starting to sound just like Craig Ranke.
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Well the simple fact of the matter is that all the witnesses*, including the cab driver himself claim the incident occured NoC. I'm just stating a fact. If you don't think that fact means anything thats your prerogative.


*The only exception I'm aware of is Noel Sepulveda and his story is absolutely preposterous.
 
A W Smith said:
Well im giving Mobertermy every opportunity to produce them.

Go ahead. Ill wait. Produce the DOT numbered poles you think the noc witnesses were talking about. Ive been waiting two days but you skipped right over my posts. Do you have me on ignore? Or do you know as soon as you pick a pole I can prove to you it was standing on that day.
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If a pole were knocked down NoC they would have to cover up that fact.
 
Mobertermy said:
So you, and they other people that admit that governments do kill their own people, must not think there is anything inherently preposterous about thinking the US gov't could have done this on 9/11 right? You just don't think the evidence supports it?
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What an odd couple of leaps you made there. In an earlier post you wrote that you believe that governments are capable of killing their own people and asked for our thoughts. When some agreed that yes, "governments are capable of killing their own people", you rewrite that to "governments do kill their own people" (a true (though vague) assertion, so generalized as to be meaningless) and from that point asking us to accept that there isn't anything "inherently preposterous" about the various "inside job" theories surrounding the 9/11 attacks? I am theoretically capable of killing. Does it then follow that there isn't anything "inherently preposterous" about me being the actual gunman in the recent shootings in Arizona?

Is this actually how you reason things out or are you just digging in your heels out of a sort of frustrated and embarrassed defiance? ETA: or does your confusion at least partly arise because you don't know what the word "capable" means?
 
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Mobertermy said:
If a pole were knocked down NoC they would have to cover up that fact.
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There is a photographic and video record of EVERY pole made by dozens of citizens within minutes of the event. Please show us this pole you speak of :whistling
 
Mobertermy said:
Well the simple fact of the matter is that all the witnesses*, including the cab driver himself claim the incident occured NoC. I'm just stating a fact. If you don't think that fact means anything thats your prerogative.
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No you are not stating a fact. You are stating your perception of what they state. Big difference. The taxi driver only revisited his location AFTER Craig called him a liar and an accomplice to murder, telling him that it was FACT that he was at another location (darn, he even filmed his intimidation of the old man). Please stop asserting things as fact when they are not. I am uploading footage now that clearly show the light poles in the area. Please find the poles that are down where you claim *fact* that they were downed.

NBC4 footage

The ONLY person who EVER asserted the erroneous pole location pre-CIT coaching was ... darn, nobody that I can think of.
 
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Mobertermy said:
Well the simple fact of the matter is that all the witnesses*, including the cab driver himself claim the incident occured NoC. I'm just stating a fact. If you don't think that fact means anything thats your prerogative.
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No, it isn't a fact at all. It is actually false.

But don't let that concern you. Carry on...:rolleyes:
 
Mobertermy said:
So you, and they other people that admit that governments do kill their own people, must not think there is anything inherently preposterous about thinking the US gov't could have done this on 9/11 right? You just don't think the evidence supports it?
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delete wrong thread
 
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