Another Hoax Against Israel

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applecorped said:
When in doubt err on the side of blaming Israel.
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in this case, it aint a country that is the err, it is the religious beliefs that underwrite the countries policies (that the jewish people owns what others already live on because their belief system tells them it is their by right)

the err is not the country but the beliefs of the religious adherants who put the religion before compassion
 
boyntonstu said:
PALLYWOOD - Great educational video by 60 Minutes.
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The video is not done by 60 minutes. The video begins with a clip from 60 Minutes, then cuts away to commentary from "second draft".

It's an easy mistake to make, but it's important not to get details like this wrong, else people will believe you are being intentionally misleading.
 
ddt said:
Still, if "the gas has tipped her over the edge", it's the gas that killed her. Nobody should die from a protest, should they?
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No they shouldn't.

But nobody should die for driving to the grocery store either, but I don't know how to prevent all traffic fatalities. There are still tens of thousands of them every year.
 
ddt said:
One fact is for certain: the IDF are a bunch of liars. Let Gideon Levy summarize it for you:
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This Gideon Levi?

The man is well-known as a pathological liar. No doubt the IDF doesn't always tell the truth (nobody does), but Gideon Levi rarely if ever does, when it stands in the way of a good "evil IDF, poor innocent Palestinians" story.

If Gideon Levi says the IDF lied about something, that in itself is quite strong evidence the IDF is telling the truth about the matter.
 
Skeptic said:
This Gideon Levi?

The man is well-known as a pathological liar. No doubt the IDF doesn't always tell the truth (nobody does), but Gideon Levi rarely if ever does, when it stands in the way of a good "evil IDF, poor innocent Palestinians" story.

If Gideon Levi says the IDF lied about something, that in itself is quite strong evidence the IDF is telling the truth about the matter.
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Fixed the link.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Sorry, since tasers, bean bags, rubber bullets, pepper spray, and now tear gas can all be lethal, the only permissable way to disperse protesters is by throwing pillows at them.
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There are other ways to stop protests, like taking away the reason they are protesting, or even let them protest, as people are entitled to do.
 
a_unique_person said:
There are other ways to stop protests, like taking away the reason they are protesting, or even let them protest, as people are entitled to do.
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So either give in to them or let them destroy the place. With ideas like that maybe you can get a job leading the next G-8 Summit's security details.
 
PhantomWolf said:
So either give in to them or let them destroy the place. With ideas like that maybe you can get a job leading the next G-8 Summit's security details.
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All protests are like G8? You have not established if they are protesting about a valid cause or if the protest was violent or if the response was approriate. It appears to me that Palestinians are condemned if they respond in any way to their predicament. Their role is to just shut up, take whatever they are given, and be grateful for it.

Look up Bloody Sunday.
 
a_unique_person said:
It appears to me that Palestinians are condemned if they respond in any way to their predicament. Their role is to just shut up, take whatever they are given, and be grateful for it..
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Funny that fighting a decades long war has negative consequences. I bet things would get much better fast if they hammered out a deal at the negotiating table instead.
 
So I take it this 'hoax' was actually a death due to complications of treatment at the hospital.

Crickets on the rest.
 
boyntonstu said:
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/01/tear-gas-death-was-hoax.html

They are without shame, and they didn't give up without a real fight:
That is, with regard to the accusation by the PA that Israel had
"killed" Jawaher Abu Rahma with tear gas in the course of the
demonstration at the fence at Bil'in a little over a week ago.

" ...* Abu Rahma arrived at the hospital at 15:20 on Friday - but her lab report is dated/timed 14:45, 35 minutes earlier!

* There is no emergency room report for her arrival.

* The reason for death given was "Inhaling gas from Israeli soldiers according to family."

10 days prior to her death she was in that hospital, taking medication for leukemia. There is evidence that she was in the hospital in the weeks prior as well, which indicates that she had a chronic disease.

Never has anyone died from tear gas in five years of riots in Bil'in."....

Do you remember that photo of the father protecting his 12 year old son before the Israelis supposedly killed him?

Another proven hoax.

Can anyone show a similar hoax invented by Israel?
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This is the civilized West. It is always the working assumption that a military dictatorship can do no right. Everything against a dictatorship is automatically correct and true until shown otherwise.
 
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5 years later:

"In the following months and years, several commentators questioned the accuracy of France 2's report. An IDF investigation in October 2000 concluded the IDF had probably not shot the al-Durrahs.[4] Three senior French journalists who saw the raw footage in 2004 said it was not clear from the footage alone that the boy had died, and that France 2 cut a final few seconds in which he appeared to lift his hand from his face. France 2's news editor said in 2005 that no one could say for sure who fired the shots"[/QUOTE]

However the occupation troops are criminals by definition and can do no right. Their fundamental crime is their very presence from which all other crimes follow. The occupation is illegal therefore all the actions of the occupation are illegal and therefore the occupation is culpable of all the consequences of the occupation.

In this case it does not matter whose bullets caused the death. The Israeli troops were illegally present and therefore responsible for the death. The death in this case is a war crime as the occupation itself is a war crime.

See the 4th Geneva convention for details. Israel is a signatory to that convention.
 
Mycroft said:
Your prejudices against the IDF aside, the truth is people don't normally die of teargas, but people do normally die of leukemia. If you think it's more likely to have happened the other way, well, that is your opinion.
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CS is lethal in large doses. That is old news.

The pathology of death from leukemia does not include being ambulatory hours before death. It does not include being ambulatory weeks before death. You are free to google it.
 
Hey everybody! Matt Giwer's back!

Matt I'm sure we got some folks who will be glad to see you again. They were trying to carry the torch all by themselves!
 
Mycroft said:
Hey everybody! Matt Giwer's back!

Matt I'm sure we got some folks who will be glad to see you again. They were trying to carry the torch all by themselves!
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It is always fun to harass zionist murderers but I don't have all the time in the world to do it.
 
Matt Giwer said:
It is always fun to harass zionist murderers but I don't have all the time in the world to do it.
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Well if you have evidence anyone here is a murderer, then you have a duty to contact the authorities and let them know.

Good luck with that. :)
 
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