Mobertermy's Pentagon Evidence

Mobertermy said:
NoC witnesses. Abscence of SoC witnesses.

Every witness I am aware of also said the poles were knocked down NoC (England, Mcraw, Aman, Hemphill, Brooks). The one notable exception to this is Noel Sepulveda whose story is absolutely preposterous - he claims that after he hit his head he was knocked unconcious, then when he came to he ran into the burning building and saved a baby, then he saved five more people and then ran all the way through the buidling to positively identify the pilots and terrorists sitting in the still intact cockpit which was sitting in the A&E drive presumably after punching a neat litle hole in the C-Ring.

Damage in Pentagon is inconsistent with only a plane.
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If you dismiss all SoC witnesses and believe all NoC witnesses no questions asked, then yea, you may have a point, even though the physical evidence is against you.

But then you wouldn't be a very good investigator, would you?

Perhaps somebody could post a list of eye witnesses AGAIN (it's been done countless times) and you could explain why each apparent SoC witness is "disqualified" in your eyes?

Also, as far as the damage being inconsistent, all you have there is personal incredulity. You are not the only one to have studied it, and from what I have seen it is PERFECTLY consistent with the commonly-held narrative.
 
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Mobertermy said:
NoC witnesses. Abscence of SoC witnesses.

Every witness I am aware of also said the poles were knocked down NoC (England, Mcraw, Aman, Hemphill, Brooks). The one notable exception to this is Noel Sepulveda whose story is absolutely preposterous - he claims that after he hit his head he was knocked unconcious, then when he came to he ran into the burning building and saved a baby, then he saved five more people and then ran all the way through the buidling to positively identify the pilots and terrorists sitting in the still intact cockpit which was sitting in the A&E drive presumably after punching a neat litle hole in the C-Ring.

Damage in Pentagon is inconsistent with only a plane.
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Ever hear of Frank Probst? Yeah, CIT hadn't either.

In addition to the pending question regarding the missing North side damage path, can you share with us your theory of how the debris and passengers from a plane that crashed on a North Side path ended up on the South Side path?

Wiki page including Screenshot of Flash Presentation depicting where body fragments were found on the first floor of the Pentagon after Flight 77 hit. This was used in the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui
 
Mobertermy said:
NoC witnesses. Abscence of SoC witnesses.

Every witness I am aware of also said the poles were knocked down NoC (England, Mcraw, Aman, Hemphill, Brooks).
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Rubbish. No poles were knocked down NoC so how could anyone witness them? The witnesses statements are too vague to be used for positioning the poles. The photos however are quite clear and as we have shown have no evidence of having been manipulated.

Damage in Pentagon is inconsistent with only a plane.
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argument from incredulity. You have no basis for that claim.
 
Mobertermy said:
Well I personally can't find any witnesses whatsoever that I can consider SoC witnesses.
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Out of the short-list of people who saw the plane really well, only one seems to have been in a position to confirm which track (north or south) it was on, and that was Ed Paik. If the plane flew approximately over him, it was on the south track. If the plane had been on a north track, it would have passed a couple of blocks to the north of Ed and he wouldn't have seen it at all (his building faced south).

So the only witness whose opinion on this matter is worth anything, is Ed Paik, and he confirms the SoC path.
 
Mobertermy said:
Second option is exactly what I'm saying.
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so the plane managed to hit in exactly the right place but at the wrong angle?

how would the nwo kitties know that was going to happen? They would have needed to know that to have the personnel available, equipped and trained to quickly fake all the SOC damage AND coverup the NOC damage that doesn't fit and all while there are hundreds of people around and pictures being taken........

how did they get the NOC poles back up.? do you really think no one would notice team of guys putting lamp posts back up? you would need several guys and a cherrypicker! hey guys we have dead bodies and burning building but this lightpole must be fixed first????:boggled:
 
Mobertermy said:
North of Citgo (noc) doesn't prove flyover. The plane could have still hit from NoC. It just means that all the damage to the south of the impact would have been caused explosives.
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Really?

Is that what all this is about?

An attempt to prove that the Pentagon was damaged by planted explosives?
 
Triterope said:
Really?

Is that what all this is about?

An attempt to prove that the Pentagon was damaged by planted explosives?
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Thats what CIT and Mobertermy think happened. CIT avoid the problem of the plane causing damage NOC by pretending it flew over and we have yet to hear Mobertermys explanation of why there was only one damage path.........
 
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Triterope said:
Really?

Is that what all this is about?

An attempt to prove that the Pentagon was damaged by planted explosives?
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This is my question. Why do you even need a plane at all if you managed to plant explosives on/in one of the most secure locations in the US? Just detonate the dang explosives.
 
CurtC said:
Out of the short-list of people who saw the plane really well, only one seems to have been in a position to confirm which track (north or south) it was on, and that was Ed Paik. If the plane flew approximately over him, it was on the south track. If the plane had been on a north track, it would have passed a couple of blocks to the north of Ed and he wouldn't have seen it at all (his building faced south).

So the only witness whose opinion on this matter is worth anything, is Ed Paik, and he confirms the SoC path.
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Sorry, I'm really not in the mood going through the whole SoC NoC thing again. I'm sure you have your reasons for thinking whatever conclusions you've come to, just as I have mine.
 
DGM said:
Apparently yes. Although, I can't seem to get him to explain why he thinks the plane would not be enough.
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He has swallowed CIT lie that the plane went NOC (ie it could not have damaged the building as it did) and is working from there.

Given that the plane alone can reasonably account for all damage and the evil reptile overlords would have known that, why would they have had any personnel there let alone guys to instantly plant all the bombs, fake the soc damage and fix the noc damage??? are evil reptile salaries that low?
 
xjx388 said:
This is my question. Why do you even need a plane at all if you managed to plant explosives on/in one of the most secure locations in the US? Just detonate the dang explosives.
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Because if you did that you would have to say AQ had infiltrated the Pentagon. Use the plane as cover and then just claim the plane caused all damage.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
so the plane managed to hit in exactly the right place but at the wrong angle?

how would the nwo kitties know that was going to happen? They would have needed to know that to have the personnel available, equipped and trained to quickly fake all the SOC damage AND coverup the NOC damage that doesn't fit and all while there are hundreds of people around and pictures being taken........
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They had the area evacuated very quickly. And yes, they could have had boots on the ground to deal with any of Rumsfeld's "unknown unknowns." Such as the silent stranger that showed up in a white van that helped Lloyde get the pole out of his car and then drove away without "saying a word."

how did they get the NOC poles back up.? do you really think no one would notice team of guys putting lamp posts back up? you would need several guys and a cherrypicker! hey guys we have dead bodies and burning building but this lightpole must be fixed first????:boggled:
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They didn't get the NoC poles back up that morning. The whole area was off limits within a very short time (20 minutes I think).
 
sheeplesnshills said:
you came here.....feel free to leave anytime.
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Gee thanks pal. I just don't feel like going through the whole SoC NoC thing again...it's tedious. People are free to study the accounts and come to there own conclusions. Goatboy ain't gonna change my mind and I ain't gonna change his so why go through the motions?
 
Mobertermy said:
Because if you did that you would have to say AQ had infiltrated the Pentagon. Use the plane as cover and then just claim the plane caused all damage.
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Or just have the plane actually do all the damage. Your "theory" is retarded. Do you understand why sane people laugh in your face?

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Mobertermy said:
They didn't get the NoC poles back up that morning. The whole area was off limits within a very short time (20 minutes I think).
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DSC_0421 is timestamped at 9:57, and is the last in the series.

I can see why it's so important to you to find a reason to discard all the photos. If they're genuine, they refute your entire hypothesis very comprehensively; in fact, any single one of them would do so.

Dave
 
Mobertermy said:
Because if you did that you would have to say AQ had infiltrated the Pentagon. Use the plane as cover and then just claim the plane caused all damage.
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problem with that is the plane would cause damage. If explosives caused all the damage what happened to the plane? How did the body parts and aircraft parts get spread through the SoC path and why is there no NoC path?:boggled:
 
Mobertermy said:
Gee thanks pal. I just don't feel like going through the whole SoC NoC thing again...it's tedious. People are free to study the accounts and come to there own conclusions. Goatboy ain't gonna change my mind and I ain't gonna change his so why go through the motions?
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so why you here? Do you enjoy being humiliated?
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