Merged Discussion of the moon landing "hoax"

[Justinian2]

Absolute bulldust. Quote your sources.

I visited the Kennedy space museam last September. They have a lot of exhibits and movies.

The calculations I made use the same equations I learned while in the sixth grade. It's sad that many of today's college graduates can't do the same calculations.

 

[twinstead]

I can't believe in this day and age there are still people who don't understand just how impossible it would have been to "fake" the entire Apollo program.

 

[Justinian2]

Six times? (There were six Apollo missions which landed on the Moon, remember: 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17.)

Six times? With each successive mission featuring a longer and more complex stay on the lunar surface than the one before it? (There were six Apollo missions which landed on the Moon, remember: 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17. While Apollo 11 only had 2.5 hours' worth of moonwalks, Apollo 17 had 22 hours—nearly nine times as long.)

I strongly suggest you get yourself to a library, inside of which you will find

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Now, are you seriously trying to suggest that all these many books, written by all these many different authors, published in many different years, are all part of and in the service of some giant nefarious conspiracy to hide the fact that no lunar landings actually took place?

Or is it more reasonable to suggest that you simply had no idea of the sheer amount of published documentary material that is available on the Apollo program which demonstrates unequivocally that the landings indeed took place.

The Apollo 17 - The NASA Mission Reports book, for instance, comes with a CD containing over eleven hours of video footage taken on the surface, along with thousands of the still photos taken. Do you really wish to claim that over eleven hours of video footage and thousands of still photos taken on just this one mission were all faked? Really?

When I watched the lunar landing I thought to myself that the environment didn't at all seem like 1/6 th gravity. All my life I had heard stories of how, if on the moon, I could jump twenty feet! The video of the astronauts looked like people wearing 150 lunar suits in earth's gravity. I was stunned!

However, I was so caught up in the moment and the national pride that I dismissed the moon pictures and the fact that the lunar rocks were similar to volcanic rocks found here on earth. Like other Americans, I celebrated our superiority in space and never doubted the landing until I saw a documentary in the late 1990's.

After the documentary, I no longer was certain the lunar landings were real. I knew we had the rocket to get to the moon, but after that, I didn't believe we landed on the moon, or could land on the moon. The more I investigated the landings on my own, the less I believed we landed.

 

[Sledge]

So rather than just landing on the moon, they took all the technology needed for landing on the moon, sent it to the moon AND spent even more money faking something they were doing anyway? I don't think you've thought your cunning conspiracy all the way through.

 

[Justinian2]

This was because of a programming error, it had nothing to do with technological advancement.

Have you ever tried the old lunar lander program in which you control the throttle and try to set the lunar lander on the surface of the moon? It's almost impossible! I played it for days and never was able to make two perfect landings in a row! I would run out of fuel and drop a 1000 feet to the surface or not be able to slow down near the surface and damage the lander to the point that I couldn't take off.

I acknowledge that they had a computer with a ferrite bead memory and a whopping 1K of memory. Instead of a floppy disk, they had a paper tape reader. It wasn't sufficient to run a program to do the real time calculations necessary to land.

Yes, they more or less recently crashed a lander on Mars because some jerk didn't convert from the metric to the english system (ft & pounds) or vice versa [look it up and give the link].

They had the rockets and a bunch of cool algorithms and a lot of great engineers and scientists that could use a slide rule faster than people can use a calculator today.

However, they couldn't/didn't practice the landing in 1/6 th gravity and therefore could not perfect the technology to land, blast off and dock.

 

[twinstead]

justinian do you know what "an argument from personal incredulity" means?

 

[Justinian2]

Where was this? When? What astronauts? What missions?

You're big on conjecture, short on details.
Not that we're surprised.

All of the missions. I don't think we ever landed people on the moon. I don't think we ever walked on the surface of the moon.

It was still a great accomplishment to built a Saturn rocket and orbit the moon. It's certain that they did blast off in a Saturn rocket and leave the vicinity of earth where we could be observed with telescopes and radar.

Even though I voted for 'Tricky Dicky' and never blamed him for the Watergate fiasco, I still don't trust the guy and think he could have pulled off the cover-up of a faked lunar landing.

 

[phunk]

A man could jump more than 12 feet on the moon were it not for the suit.

You have a point, of course. The suit will diminish the jump. But from 144 inches or more to 15 inches?

I think they orbited the moon and crashed the lander on the moon. I think the 'landing' was filmed at area 51.

I simply don't think they had the technology for a landing back then. Heck, even recently NASA crashed a Mars probe that was supposed to land with retro rockets. And that used computers that were in some ways a million times more powerful.

We don't have computers that are a million times as powerful as a pilot.

The mars landings are all automated, the Apollo landings were piloted.

 

[phunk]

Have you ever tried the old lunar lander program in which you control the throttle and try to set the lunar lander on the surface of the moon? It's almost impossible! I played it for days and never was able to make two perfect landings in a row! I would run out of fuel and drop a 1000 feet to the surface or not be able to slow down near the surface and damage the lander to the point that I couldn't take off.

Wow, so I guess if you couldn't learn it in a couple days, an astronaut with years of training couldn't either!

 

[Justinian2]

I can't believe in this day and age there are still people who don't understand just how impossible it would have been to "fake" the entire Apollo program.

Not the entire program. As I say, I’m sure we sent men around the moon. I’m dubious that we actually landed men on the moon and recovered them.

So rather than just landing on the moon, they took all the technology needed for landing on the moon, sent it to the moon AND spent even more money faking something they were doing anyway? I don't think you've thought your cunning conspiracy all the way through.

After spending all those billions, do you think that they would want to give up before landing? The reliability experts back then were great and probably calculated a 50% failure rate for each mission. We didn’t want to make foolish the efforts of America. What if a mission failed? Would we want to spend the billions necessary to fix the problem and try again? The moon landing would have been put off for two or three years. I think we wanted to reduce spending on that program.

justinian do you know what "an argument from personal incredulity" means?

Answer #1: Did you miss the calculations and the facts that I presented?

Answer #2: Democrats don't trust Republicans and Republicans don't trust Democrats. I don't trust either. I'm incredulous of most government actions.

 

[Justinian2]

Wow, so I guess if you couldn't learn it in a couple days, an astronaut with years of training couldn't either!

The training vehicle used for simulating the lunar lander crashed before the first moon landing and almost killed the astronaut that was practicing his landings. They never practiced after that.

 

[skip]

Not the entire program. As I say, I’m sure we sent men around the moon. I’m dubious that we actually landed men on the moon and recovered them..

Ok, so your saying that because you could not win a video game men never landed on the moon?

Answer #1: Did you miss the calculations and the facts that I presented?

Answer #2: Democrats don't trust Republicans and Republicans don't trust Democrats. I don't trust either. I'm incredulous of most government actions.

So is that a No.

 

[skip]

The training vehicle used for simulating the lunar lander crashed before the first moon landing and almost killed the astronaut that was practicing his landings. They never practiced after that.

Are you sure of this? The simulater crashed and they never tryed again.

 

[skip]

All of the missions. I don't think we ever landed people on the moon. I don't think we ever walked on the surface of the moon.

It was still a great accomplishment to built a Saturn rocket and orbit the moon. It's certain that they did blast off in a Saturn rocket and leave the vicinity of earth where we could be observed with telescopes and radar.

Even though I voted for 'Tricky Dicky' and never blamed him for the Watergate fiasco, I still don't trust the guy and think he could have pulled off the cover-up of a faked lunar landing.

So he could cover up the moon thing, but Watergate, not so much. This leads me to a question. Where is the Deep-Throat of the moon landings?

 

[Coolhat]

I sort of feel sorry for Moon Hoaxers, seems like they are stuck with the lamest CT of them all. At least the other theorists are aiming high; if, say, 9/11 proved to have been an inside job, the consequences would be quite devastating for the USA and whole world. Ditto for UFOs: if aliens indeed had visited us, it would drastically change our whole worldview.

But Moon Hoaxers? Even if they could somehow prove that Apollo did not land on the Moon 40 years ago, people would just say:"OK. So what?" Maybe some old NASA guys would lose their pensions, but otherwise the thing would struggle to even make the headlines.

 

[twinstead]

The training vehicle used for simulating the lunar lander crashed before the first moon landing and almost killed the astronaut that was practicing his landings. They never practiced after that.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[twinstead]

All of the missions. I don't think we ever landed people on the moon. I don't think we ever walked on the surface of the moon.

It was still a great accomplishment to built a Saturn rocket and orbit the moon. It's certain that they did blast off in a Saturn rocket and leave the vicinity of earth where we could be observed with telescopes and radar.

Even though I voted for 'Tricky Dicky' and never blamed him for the Watergate fiasco, I still don't trust the guy and think he could have pulled off the cover-up of a faked lunar landing.

Just how much evidence do you think exists of the moon landings? You realize it was one of the most documented events in world history, right? I'm afraid that your disbelief is outweighed by some pretty hefty evidence. You will need some specifics about WHY you don't believe to make any headway.

 

[dtugg]

So now the "evidence" that the moon landings were hoaxed is that the astronauts didn't jump high enough for a certain poster nor could he replicate the efforts of some of the best pilots in the world who trained extensively for the missions.

And these people wonder why rational people laugh in their faces.

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[MG1962]

The training vehicle used for simulating the lunar lander crashed before the first moon landing and almost killed the astronaut that was practicing his landings. They never practiced after that.

Well you see, you should not believe everything you hear. The vehicle you are talking about is the LLRV and LLTV - three versions of these flew for 8 years. Of 8 vehicles built 5 did crash including one piloted by Armstrong.

Three of the five crashes were caused by system failure. A further was a fuel pump issue. The last pilot error.

These craft were absolute bitches to fly, they had to be. But great natural pilots like Armstrong could do it, leaving mere mortals like you and I fumbling with our joy sticks

 

[Paulhoff]

It seems that some people that are incompetent think everyone else is incompetent too.


Paul