Dancing David
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So where is Corbyn's metric and blinding Haig? What standard in advance is sed to declare success? Where are the predicions, what levels of events are predicted and then what metric is used to measure them?
Tell it to the Russians http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/index1_eng.htmlThe problem you're going to have is that it doesn't fit with reality. In reality the world is going to get warmer. We already have very low solar activity, at least of the aforementioned Minima type, and 2010 was very warm. There was also a La Nina.
No, not really. Solar cycle 24 has started late and weak and the next one set to be even weaker.Solar activity seems to be picking up again, and the La Nina won't last forever. It's not looking good for cooling, is it? Still, time will tell, and no doubt it'll tell us what it has for the last thirty years or so. No doubt some people still won't be listening, and Corbyn will still be talking.
"If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78," says panel chairman Doug Biesecker of the NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center.
"It turns out that none of our models were totally correct," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, NASA's lead representative on the panel. "The sun is behaving in an unexpected and very interesting way."
Sure they have: -A classic denial line. Nobody removed any weather stations.
Your on the money therePeople are, on the whole, stupid.
"They" in this case is NOAA. Now what was it you were just saying?Good luck with that, I've never managed to find out who they are. They're into everything, though.
Predictions have been made about global warming. i.e. It will continue. The glaciers will all melt. The polar ice-caps will melt and the sea level will rise; coastal regions and islands will be flooded. Weather will become more extreme, with worse droughts and worse floods, and worse storms such as hurricanes. Agriculture will suffer. Terrible political and economic problems will result from all this. And there is the possibility that eventually the global temperature will become so high that human life will cease to be possible at all.And more importantly, the physical effects are clearly visible.
The obsession with surface temperature measurements is a simple means of distracting from what's actually going on. Droughts, floods, vanishing ice, pests extending their ranges, all the predicted impacts.
See solar cycle 24,25,26 etc.... on to the year 2100 (approx) in the graph in this pdf. This pattern we are entering has happened before.
Thanks for this site http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/enso/ to, as you say, “read the science instead of the cranks” but it has quite a few broken or not found links. Seems it has fallen into disuse: - Last Updated: August 2004He doesn't understand "inside the box" variation versus a forcing....
Pinatubo and fossil C02 are forcing...
Enso ( NAO etc ) is just shuffling the energy around in different spots at different times - it neither heats nor cools globally but engages the ocean with the atmosphere differently and so affects local climate regimes.
and Daly is a fraud.
read the science instead of the cranks who can't even understand energy budgets and radiative balance
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~atw/enso/
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~wsoon/BinWang07-d/EmileGeayCaneetal07-2006PA001304-pip.pdf7. Conclusions
“We propose that, given amid-to-high-range amplitude of Holocene solar irradiance variations, ENSO may have acted as one of the mediators between the Sun and the Earth’s climate.”
“So far, data from the past millennium and the longer Holocene seem to support our view. As more complete - and presumably more accurate - climate records become available, especially from the Southern Hemisphere, we hope that our mechanism can be tested in greater detail and on longer periods.”
Abstract
Corotating coronal holes of the Sun induce fluctuations of the solar wind speed in the vicinity of the Earth. The fluctuations of solar wind speed are closely correlated with geomagnetic activity. Solar wind speed has been monitored by satellites since the mid 1960s. The long-term series of solar wind speed show enhanced amplitudes at the solar rotation period 27.3 days and at its harmonics 13.6 and 9.1 days. The amplitude series are modulated by a quasi-biennial oscillation (QBO) with a period of 1.75a (21 months) as bispectral analysis reveals. A 1.75a QBO component is also present in the equatorial, zonal wind of the stratosphere at 30 hPa, in addition to the well-known QBO component at the period 2.4a (29 months). The solar wind QBO may influence the stratospheric QBO, the global electric circuit, and cloud cover by modulation of ionospheric electric fields, cosmic ray flux, and particle precipitation. For a further analysis, the series of solar wind speed fluctuations are bandpass-filtered at the period 1.75a. The filtered series provide the amplitude of the solar wind QBO as function of time. The maxima of the solar wind QBO series are correlated with those of the ENSO index. The analysis indicate that the solar wind QBO may trigger the ENSO activity. This result is speculative at the moment. However, the focus of the study is on the investigation of the long-term modulations of the short-term (4–45 days) oscillations of the solar wind speed which are quite unexplored yet.
DD do you really want a re-run of this like last year? He’s NOT what this thread is about. Merely an example, of the view, that external forcing drives our weather AND climate and they are predictable and natural.So where is Corbyn's metric and blinding Haig? What standard in advance is sed to declare success? Where are the predicions, what levels of events are predicted and then what metric is used to measure them?
no, thankyou piers..you need a good haircut but besides that you are a good honest man..telling the truth..and making the met office look like a kindergarten..listen to this man..he is spot on..Now it is confirmed that Dec 2010 in Britain and probably West Europe, was indeed the coldest for 100 years (at least!) – as we predicted* in the face of the opinion of all other forecasters; and that the USA has also been suffering exceptional cold and blizzards – including our specifically predicted ‘monster blizzard’ of Xmas 2010 in New York and NE / E USA, the beleaguered community of ‘warmist’ Climate ‘science’ and meteorology is in a ‘climate chaos’ of its very own. *See WANews10No38.pdf
Apart from certain charlatans who copy-cat our long range forecasts most standard meteorology holds, as always, that the weather should get back to ‘normal’ very soon and the warmist idealogues declare that cold means warm. In the face of this I say:
1.Our forecast for an exceptionally cold and also snowy January in Britain & West Europe stands and despite its unlikely occurrence according to standard views we expect with 80% confidence that much of Britain (eg Central England) to be in the three coldest Januaries in the last 100 years. It also follows that the winter of 2010-11 will probably be one of the two or three coldest in 100 years as suggested in our Essence of winter sponsored forecast made public on 30th November -WANews10No37.pdf . The CAUSE OF THIS IS PHYSICS which enables us to predict how solar-lunar effects change the jet stream for example and is nothing whatsoever to do with CO2 from man or nature.
2.The ‘Cold means Warm’ incantations of the Global warmists are the last gasps of a failed cult for whom some delusional expectation is not being realized. Recall this same Global Warmers movement – renamed Climate Change – had told us that snow in Britain would soon be a thing of the past, that winters in the USA would get warmer and warmer and Himalayan glaciers were disappearing and so on and on. All their predictions have failed. Their self-serving belief system – which is akin to a sect – is morally, intellectually and scientifically bankrupt and should be given no quarter.
3.They will of course claim under their ‘data’ that 2010 was close to the warmest ever year. This is fraud. On that one should note that since 1950 the coldest decade in their data set was around 1971 to 80 for which there were the most weather stations, and that since then they removed 62% of stations so the decade 2001-2010 with the least number of stations becomes the warmest! See slide 9 in the presentation http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=222&c=1 What would be the result from the 62% of deleted stations?
4.Their cold is warm pronouncement in fact mean that the measures of world temperature are of no value whatsoever in predicting what matters – whether or not your freeway will become an ice rink or whether there will be floods next summer. If their measure of climate has no bearing on what we experience it is of no value. What is needed is real long range forecasts and these can be provided using physics – involving particle, magnetic and lunar effects – and are nothing to do with CO2 hocus pocus, which is a POLITICAL game.
This year this who care will have to fight like never before FOR evidence-based, science and policies and to call politicians to account and get rid of all the dangerous and crippling carbon scams and taxes and insist instead on only honest green measures such as defending biodiversity.
At the core we must put scientific advance to the benefit of people and not let pseudo-science strangle us. WeatherAction will continue to expand the scope and skill of long-range solar-lunar based forecasts and insist that Governments and media make use of our warnings to reduce misery and save lives.
Thank you.
No thanks piers.Mocked meteorologist gets last laugh
no, thankyou piers..you need a good haircut but besides that you are a good honest man..telling the truth..and making the met office look like a kindergarten..listen to this man..he is spot on..
Thanks for supplying the reference.NOAA has reduced the number of weather stations they use from 6000 to the number they say on their web site – 1500. So, that’s far more than a 62% reduction, actually a 75% reduction.
http://www.noaa.gov/features/02_monitoring/weather_stations.html
You are wrong. The predictions are that these will happen, not that they have happened by now.Predictions have been made about global warming. i.e. It will continue. The glaciers will all melt. The polar ice-caps will melt and the sea level will rise; coastal regions and islands will be flooded. ...
None of the above has happened.
Wrong: In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions.The warming of the past 100 years has been due to an active Sun from solar cycle 17 to 23. With solar cycle19 being the most active and solar cycles 21 to 23 showing a steady decline with the current cycle 24 and the next cycle 25 set to continue the trend.
This could lead to Maunder Minimum type event just as it has in the past.This will lead to a Maunder Minimum type event just as it has in the past.
Haig - that is basic climate science. The external forcings that drive our climate are extensively studied. They are predictable and natural. The observations are that they are being overwhelmed by the internal forcings such as CO2 levels.DD do you really want a re-run of this like last year? He’s NOT what this thread is about. Merely an example, of the view, that external forcing drives our weather AND climate and they are predictable and natural.
The second link is to the audit he comissioned for his predictions. It ignores the weather events that he did not predict.
Tell it to the Russians
No, not really. Solar cycle 24 has started late and weak and the next one set to be even weaker.
Sure they have: -
NOAA has reduced the number of weather stations they use from 6000 to the number they say on their web site – 1500. So, that’s far more than a 62% reduction, actually a 75% reduction.
Predictions have been made about global warming. i.e. It will continue. The glaciers will all melt.
The polar ice-caps will melt and the sea level will rise ...
... coastal regions and islands will be flooded.
Weather will become more extreme, with worse droughts and worse floods, and worse storms such as hurricanes.
Agriculture will suffer.
Terrible political and economic problems will result from all this.
And there is the possibility that eventually the global temperature will become so high that human life will cease to be possible at all.
None of the above has happened. The warming of the past 100 years has been due to an active Sun from solar cycle 17 to 23. With solar cycle19 being the most active and solar cycles 21 to 23 showing a steady decline with the current cycle 24 and the next cycle 25 set to continue the trend.
This will lead to a Maunder Minimum type event just as it has in the past. Global cooling has far more serious consequences than global warming has for us, crops just don’t grow very well in the cold.
See solar cycle 24,25,26 etc.... on to the year 2100 (approx) in the graph in this pdf. This pattern we are entering has happened before.
http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/The Sun dictates the climate of the Earth.pdf
See solar cycle 24,25,26 etc.... on to the year 2100 (approx) in the graph in this pdf. This pattern we are entering has happened before.
The second link is to the audit he comissioned for his predictions.
Mocked meteorologist gets last laugh
no, thankyou piers..you need a good haircut but besides that you are a good honest man..telling the truth..and making the met office look like a kindergarten..listen to this man..he is spot on..
Piers Corbyn has been independently assessed HERE ...
"The results, whilst differing greatly between the seasons ..."
... and HERE this last one in 2009 giving him the 85% success rate claimed.
"As the BBC reports on the massive floods now - 11 Jan - hitting Brisbane you can almost feel them wailing about the "almost unprecedented wall of water..." - with all its Global warming CO2 extremes innuendo ..."
"... except locals in a matter-of-fact manner ruin the show by saying it is unprecedented since 1974. Or if you look at more details unprecedented since the years of floods centred around 1973-74**."
"2011-1973 = 38 = 2 x 19yr eclipse cycle"
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So the floods are nothing to do with CO2!
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See solar cycle 24,25,26 etc.... on to the year 2100 (approx) in the graph in this pdf. This pattern we are entering has happened before.
http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/The Sun dictates the climate of the Earth.pdf
Why don’t you check out his warnings and predictions for yourself DD (for free) then even you might be impressed? You could pick all the metric and blinding you want, maybe even go double-blind as in the best scientific method.
I could but it is not my claim to defend. (I am also an apprentice training in malware removal right now, keeps my free time busy)
wow thanks for that link.
while i don't understand any Russian it seems pretty scary.
we have increasing temperatures despite lesser solar activity.
but as you seem to have misunderstood my question.
the paper you linked me to seems not to deal with temperatures.
i ask again. can you show me the cooling you was speaking of?
Don’t you pay your weather forecasters were you are?No thanks piers.
You are a bad man beacuse you are killing people around the world by keeping your long range weather forecasting method a secret.
Ah! So you didn’t mean what you said beforeBut that does not really matter because piers is also deluding into thinking that his method actually works. The audited forecasts have a sucess rate of 85%. That is not much better then picking a random set of days in winter and saying that one of more will be very wet.
He does his best, it’s just him and a small team working from a tiny office in London and you want him to cover the whole world? Get real RC.The real killer is all of the extreme weather events that he has probably missed. For example I did not see any forecast of the Queensland floods.
Nope RC.I haven’t the time, maybe you could do it?Haig: Are you brave enough to test your almost religious faith in Piers by seeing how many of the extreme weather events listed by NCDC he predicted?
Your welcome.Thanks for supplying the reference.
I don’t “believe” anything but facts and there ARE doubts surrounding that satellite data.So do you believe that the satellite temperatures which agree with the weather station temperatures have been faked? After all they both show global warming
No, less likely:Or is it more likely that the decrease in the number of stations had little effect on the accuracy of the recorded temperatures.
You seem to want it all ways – “They will happen but not by now – however, they are happening.” Make your mind up RCYou are wrong. The predictions are that these will happen, not that they have happened by now.
However
- Glaciers have receded (25% mass decrease since 1945)
Not when you use the 22 year Hale cycle (magnetic cycle), that's what Piers Corbyn does.
Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) is falling:This could lead to Maunder Minimum type event just as it has in the past.
The Maunder Minimum hapened in the middle of the Little Ice Age. It was a contributer to but not a cause of the Little Ice age.
What would happen if the sun fell to Maunder Minimum levels?
Don’t be so sure RC:Haig - that is basic climate science. The external forcings that drive our climate are extensively studied. They are predictable and natural. The observations are that they are being overwhelmed by the internal forcings such as CO2 levels.
Really amazing he does these months in advance over a six month period getting 85% right “the Severe Weather Event Assessment from October 2008 to April 2009. Each event has been independently looked at in turn and verified.” And you try to criticise him for NOT predicting ALL the weather events. If you think about it he was trying to get the best score he could so, I guess, he would only mention those events he was certain would occur. Are there ANY mainstream forecasters able to do that?The second link is to the audit he comissioned for his predictions. It ignores the weather events that he did not predict.
Didn’t agree last time or now RC. Piers has had a verification of his Solar Weather Technique in a peer reviewed paper and you can’t take that away from him. Wheeler was a respected scientist and confirmed “these forecasts, which include solar predictors and are prepared 6-11 months in advance of the events they predict” which is quite impressive. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001JASTP..63...29WThe first link has already been addressed (it is a rather flawed paper on old predictions). Citing it yet again is not a smart move move.
Sure you do.I don't think I need to after the summer heatwave.
Settled - no but the signs are heading that way. Do you regard the science settled on AGW?You regard the science as settled on that, do you?
Here's what NASA said:Solar Cycle 24 has indeed started late, and 2010 was a very warm year all the same. Now the cycle involves increasing solar activity for a while, which does not augur well for cooling. We also have a La Nina, and that won't last forever either.
Have to agree here but Piers has a better record of predictions than mostLet's see how that works out, shall we? Predictions are difficult, especially about the future.
So you actually believe it's just a coincidence that as the number of weather stations drops from 6000 to 1500 and over the same period, the "reported" global temperature goes UP?Over time, stations have gone out of use, but there was no sudden removal in order to manipulate the record - which is what the accusation is. These stations do not regularly report because they haven't been upgraded (consideration has to given to the US American taxpayer, after all). Some no longer exist.
That's all right thenWhen the returns from these stations were gathered and included in a one-off exercise (at some taxpayer expense), the results indicated a slightly more rapid warming than from the regular stations.
Interesting that science tells us the Earth's natural state is glacial.Eventually. Quite a few have gone already, and it's early days yet.
No it's not! It's been growing for the last two decades at least.There's only one polar ice-cap, the Antarctic. The prediction is that it will lose mass, particularly in the West Antarctic, and it's doing just that.
It's been much warmer there in the MWP when the Vikings settled in Greenland, you know why they called it that don't you? http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/vikings_during_mwp.htmlArctic sea-ice was always going to be the canary in the mine, and just look what's happening to that.
As they're history tells you they have many times in the past, it's nothing new.As they will. Polynesian islands are already being regularly inundated.
Nope, not at all, that's just alarmist hype.And it is already so.
It will be much worse in the new Little Ice Age.As it is.
Have to agree there if we don't start preparing for a cooling climate for decades to come.As they will. It'll be hard to pick out the AGW influence from all the other stuff, of course. Pakistan was a mess before the floods, but they really didn't help.
That's the warmers on full alarm mode.That's ridiculous.
Funny you should say that:Nonsense. A feature of the 20thCE was how quiet volcanoes have been, after a very active 19thCE. Vulcanism has a cooling influence, so at least some of the early 20thCE warming was the result of that.
If you see a presentation that ignores vulcanism when making a case for "the Sun did it" you can be sure it's rubbish. There is no one simple explanation for climate change in the last century.
Don't be fooled. Have a look at this article and the paper that follows.The reason for global warming now is the enhanced greenhouse effect due to atmospheric CO2, and it will continue. We're just shading 390ppm now and it's not about to go down.
No not happened but happening. The cooling trend has started. All that warming in the last centenary put a lot of heat in the Earth's oceans and the lag has been estimated to be between 10 to 30 years before the cooling hits us hardest. Taking Prof Jones date of 1995 it seems to right on the money to be now that we start to really feel it.You really seem to think this has already happened, that the science is absolutely settled and it's about to get as cold as the 19thCE. When crops grew perfectly adequately in the places they've always been grown, and in new places - the US Mid-West, Australia, Argentina ...
The Little Ice Age (LIA)The problem with AGW is that crops will not grow in places where they always have (such as the Indus Valley and parts of China), nor will they grow in some of the new places.
No statistical warming since 1995 and when you consider all the temperature data fiddling that's been found out - voila - global cooling!You were asked "where is the cooling?". You respond by pointing to solar cycles. This is known as "begging the question" - you assume the hypothesis (solar cycles determine temperature) to show that cooling must have happened, which then confirms the hypothesis.
Global Temperatures Have Dropped 0.5C In The Last 12 MonthsWhere is the cooling? The actual cooling, not the solar cycle. Where do you find that?
Could be your guess be wrong and Piers be right?By the way, Corbyn is sticking to his prediction that Europe will have a very cold and snowy January. I guess his success rate is about to take a small hit.
A Six month period isn't good enough for you? You make no mention of the fact that Piers made those predictions, for that period, months in ADVANCE of it! Maybe you don't understand how remarkable that is? Here have a look at him in action:Covering the period Oct 2008 to Apr 2009 for US based predictions. Not exactly comprehensive, but he pays the piper.
Maybe he will, here he is in Dec 2010:I wonder if he'll commission an audit for Oct 2010 to Apr 2011?
I have done DD. You just don’t like the answer. You audit his work. Then you can set as high a standard as you like.So haig, when are you going to address the issue of no established protocol or metric for Corbyn's success, or will you just cut and paste more meaningless information.
So you shouldThat covers gale predictions in the UK over two years. I like this :
WoW! your a hard guy to please. Do you actually live in the UK? The Met can't get their forecasts right more than five days ahead. This guy is making forecasts weeks and months ahead.Oh, I bet they do. Of course there only eight seasons in the whole sample, so that could just be chance. On the other hand, predicting gales in November or January is likely to work out.
Your remarks are so sharp be careful you don’t cut yourselfIndependently assessed? Do you trust credit-rating agencies as well? Your gullibility makes you a danger to yourself, frankly.
How many months ahead did he make that prediction? What mainstream forecaster could make such a long term forecast like that and have it work out? How about the Met? but wait a minute, they used to do them but kept getting it, embarrassingly, wrong and stopped making them public, remember?This one, as I've mentioned, was even shorter and this time restricted to the US. Corbyn chose the period and the region. You're OK with that?
What’s my suggestion for DD doing here?Why don’t you check out his warnings and predictions for yourself DD (for free) then even you might be impressed? You could pick all the metric and blinding you want, maybe even go double-blind as in the best scientific method.
Have you ever performed on the stage?http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=296&c=5
This is bloody hilarious. He starts with a gratuitous attack on the BBC (which is ideological anathema to Corbyn, being a public institution) :
You’ve not been paying attention. The warmers say ANY unusual weather event is due to AGWThe BBC failed to mention AGW, so Corbyn declares they implied it - but why does "wall of water" imply AGW? Only Corbyn knows.
You mean YOU continueHe continues :
I think Sherlock, the clue is in this. (my bold) “details unprecedented since the years of floods centred around 1973-74”It's a very odd wall of water that's "centred around 1973-74". Why 1973, when the Brisbane flood was in 1974? What are these "details" that the guru is conversant with, but spares the rest of us? Here's the answer :
Your point is lost if you can understand this. (my bold) “Queensland & Australian floods show a very strong tendency to occur at a certain phase of the 19yr eclipse cycle.”So the Brisbane flood must have been in 1973, not (as the newspapers had it at the time) 1974. Simple really. And the "wall of water" reference is to flash-floods in another place, Toowoomba, not Brisbane. Details, details ...
So, you’re blaming Piers for the media hype about the story? Or the fact that the dam wasn’t big enough to hold all the rain? Maybe both?No mention of the dam which was built after the 1974 flood to prevent this kind of thing happening again. It got to 190% planned capacity, I gather. They've been letting water out, obviously : imagine the wall of water if it broke.
Stands to reason if “2011-1973 = 38 = 2 x 19yr eclipse cycle So the floods are nothing to do with CO2!” Surely you can see that?So what does Corbyn conclude from this? Prepare to be unsurprised :
Your NOT impressed! Why am I not surprised?He then goes on to predict more floods during the rainy season, with the ground sodden and unprecedentedly warm oceans near Australia. I for one am not impressed.
I wasn’t trying to pull your leg or be cute. I expected you to just look at the graph to see what I was getting at. Sorry.wow thanks for that link.
while i don't understand any Russian it seems pretty scary.
Well no.we have increasing temperatures despite lesser solar activity.
I can try.but as you seem to have misunderstood my question.
the paper you linked me to seems not to deal with temperatures.
i ask again. can you show me the cooling you was speaking of?