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slingblade said:
There are also any number of quotes that can be found today, including some from Giffords herself, which state that the political rhetoric of violence needs to be "toned down."

We're not the only ones saying this, and we aren't all saying it's only from one side or the other. Many, myself included, think it's wrong no matter who is doing it, and I'd really like that to be acknowledged.

This broad brush is too damned broad.
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Oh, I think both left and right are too damn fond of using violent rhetoric,and everybody needs to tamp it down.
My point was you are seeing ,in this and other forums at JREF, quite a few people trying to prove that when 'their" side uses violent rhetotic, then it isn't so bad as when the other side uses it.
Somebody made the point, and I think it is true, that the side that sees itself out of power is the side that ups the violent rhetoric. The Left upped it in the Bush Administration, now the Right is doing it. I would like for both sides to damp it down,but I ain't holding my breath.
 
Biscuit said:
Just got another update. Apparently Jared's parents are barricaded in their home and refusing to talk to the FBI. This is from my friend in touch with police command.

ETA - Something is going down at the house. FBI is in now. Not sure what is going on but will let you know if I can.
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Wow... thanks for keeping us informed, Biscuit. Damn :boggled:
 
dudalb said:
Oh, I think both left and right are too damn fond of using violent rhetoric,and everybody needs to tamp it down.
My point was you are seeing ,in this and other forums at JREF, quite a few people trying to prove that when 'their" side uses violent rhetotic, then it isn't so bad as when the other side uses it.
Somebody made the point, and I think it is true, that the side that sees itself out of power is the side that ups the violent rhetoric. The Left upped it in the Bush Administration, now the Right is doing it. I would like for both sides to damp it down,but I ain't holding my breath.
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Thank you, Matt. That's all I can and have asked, and I appreciate it. :)
 
Biscuit said:
Just got another update. Apparently Jared's parents are barricaded in their home and refusing to talk to the FBI. This is from my friend in touch with police command.

ETA - Something is going down at the house. FBI is in now. Not sure what is going on but will let you know if I can.
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Seems miscommunicated by this news account:
Reporters camped out at the suburban home haven't seen any sign of Jared Loughner's parents, but sources told CBS News that the FBI was able to speak with them.

Loughner's parents put a ply wood blockade in front of their gate to keep the media out. The FBI agents knocked, waited five minutes outside, and then went in.
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dudalb said:
Oh, I think both left and right are too damn fond of using violent rhetoric,and everybody needs to tamp it down.
My point was you are seeing ,in this and other forums at JREF, quite a few people trying to prove that when 'their" side uses violent rhetotic, then it isn't so bad as when the other side uses it.
Somebody made the point, and I think it is true, that the side that sees itself out of power is the side that ups the violent rhetoric. The Left upped it in the Bush Administration, now the Right is doing it. I would like for both sides to damp it down,but I ain't holding my breath.
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slingblade said:
Thank you, Matt. That's all I can and have asked, and I appreciate it. :)
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Is that for me? :o

Even if it isn't, I'm right there with you, Sling & dudalb.
 
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dudalb said:
Yeah, there is a lot of hypocrisy around concerning violent rhetoric, and it amounts to "It's bad and evil and dangerous when the other side uses it, but it is just harmless symbolic rhetoric when my side uses it".
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Yep.

And the even blinder, "We hardly do it at all, and they do it constantly."
 
TraneWreck said:
Slightly unrelated, but is this some kind of performance art? Andy Kauffman-style comedy?
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I just have trouble believing that anyone takes this guy seriously.
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Great find thanks. Yeah, he doesn't look like Ghandi does he? This one idea could be used to take him down and put him back on the morning zoo.
 
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Arizona Star says he's a registered independant.


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dudalb said:
Oh, I think both left and right are too damn fond of using violent rhetoric,and everybody needs to tamp it down.
My point was you are seeing ,in this and other forums at JREF, quite a few people trying to prove that when 'their" side uses violent rhetotic, then it isn't so bad as when the other side uses it.
Somebody made the point, and I think it is true, that the side that sees itself out of power is the side that ups the violent rhetoric. The Left upped it in the Bush Administration, now the Right is doing it. I would like for both sides to damp it down,but I ain't holding my breath.
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Right wing campaign promoting, not just a different vision for the country, but to actually fear Obama and the Democrats:

Death Panels part of Obamacare
Obama is a socialist
Obama is not a legitimate citizen
Current Democratically controlled legislation exceeds the authority of the Federal Constitution
Second Amendment remedies might be needed

Left wing campaign promoting fear of the right:

Publicizing their concern over people showing up at campaign events with 'open carry' assault rifles and pistols
Publicly challenging Palin's bullseye map to which Palin replied something about reloading.



Feel free to add to the lists, dudalb. Please note these are much bigger issues than just some symbols on a map. Adding tu quoque incidents of using dual definition words or symbols is not equivalent to stoking fear your government has been taken over by socialists who are about to change the world as we know it.
 
BenBurch said:
That.

Don't use it unless you intend people to act upon it in a literal fashion.
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:confused: So if you don't intend people to literally act on it, what? Should there be a law against it? Who decides what may be taken the wrong way.

Go play in traffic.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Exactly. Idiots on both sides fail to see this.
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I agree with the sentiment in principle, there's no reason for anyone to bring up domestic violence and both sides have done so.

As a matter of fact, however, RIGHT NOW, the credible danger is mostly coming from one side.

The Secret Service says death threats against Congresspeople are up 200% and up 400% against the president since the Bush era. The FBI released their report on growing extremism on the right to similar skepticism only to have event after even confirm their fears.

That doesn't mean everyone on the left is pure and it doesn't mean everyone on the right is bloodthirsty, but as a matter of fact the dangerous stuff is predominantly coming from rabid anti-government types.
 
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