Proof of Photomanipulation

Kid Eager said:
The bridge is to the left. To be more precise, the positioning of the cab (assuming your labelling of the position of the cab), has it having just gone over the bridge heading south.


As I said, your slide 17 is incorrect, because you believe for this photo to be taken the cab must have been on the bridge. Not so.
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So you are saying the entire bridge is to the left of the cab, and pole A is out of frame to the right?
 
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Kid Eager said:
The bridge is to the left. To be more precise, the positioning of the cab (assuming your labelling of the position of the cab), has it having just gone over the bridge heading south.

As I said, your slide 17 is incorrect, because you believe for this photo to be taken the cab must have been on the bridge. Not so.
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Correct if you look at the april 1999 Googleearth photo TA3 is just off the south end of the bridge. The photo shows equal or if anything slightly to the south of that so it is NOT on the bridge but as you say just over it..

There is no way you can honestly say it is between TA3 and TA4. Its not. Most correct description is that it is just to the south (ie the TA2 side of TA3)
 
sheeplesnshills said:
LOL well to be fair he made the mistake of thinking the TA was not in the HOV lane..........so not so much lying as simply incompetent.

The irony is that he could "possibly" be right about the pictures being "manipulated" but by demonstrating himself to be both utterly incompetent on the basics and compounding that by refusing to admit he is wrong and quieting going back and correcting those errors and resubmitting his data in a clearer and error free format only the most bored debunker is going to bother to really check.

The Truth may well be out there but with work this bad who is ever going to know or care?
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I made a mistake and admitted to it. Get over it. You miss the irony...Alien Entity also made a mistake by saying I thought the cab was in the HOV lane.
 
Mobertermy said:
So you are saying the entire bridge is to the left of the cab, and pole A is out of frame to the right?
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The photo in question is looking back over the bridge at an angle of around 30 degrees off parallel with the direction of the bridge. The western railing of the bridge is to the near foreground left the the frame; the eastern railing is the right of the frame.
 
Kid Eager said:
The photo in question is looking back over the bridge at an angle of around 30 degrees off parallel with the direction of the bridge. The western railing of the bridge is to the near foreground left the the frame; the eastern railing is the right of the frame.
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Okay, so if you were driving through the bridge in an easterly direction, when you entered the bridge you'd be to the left of the cab, and when you exited you'd be to the right?
 
Mobertermy said:
Okay, so if you were driving through the bridge in an easterly direction, when you entered the bridge you'd be to the left of the cab, and when you exited you'd be to the right?
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I'm sorry, you're mixing metaphors here - the bridge is *over* the road that takes you into the car park. The cab has just been *on* the bridge.

Anyhow, this back and forth is getting tiresome. Do you have a point?
 
Mobertermy said:
I made a mistake and admitted to it. Get over it. You miss the irony...Alien Entity also made a mistake by saying I thought the cab was in the HOV lane.
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get over what? You made yet another error. Not a good indication we should take anything you say at face value.........its you that is attempting a marketing job not Alien Entity.
 
Kid Eager said:
I'm sorry, you're mixing metaphors here - the bridge is *over* the road that takes you into the car park. The cab has just been *on* the bridge.
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Those are prepositions, not metaphors.

Anyhow, this back and forth is getting tiresome. Do you have a point?
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Of course I have a point...answer the question - if you were driving on Columbia Pike in an easterly direction, according to slide 17, when you enter the bridge would you be to the left of the cab, and when you exit the bridge would you be on the right of the cab?
 
Mobertermy said:
Those are prepositions, not metaphors.


Of course I have a point...answer the question - if you were driving on Columbia Pike in an easterly direction, according to slide 17, when you enter the bridge would you be to the left of the cab, and when you exit the bridge would you be on the right of the cab?
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No.

It would be more correct to say you'd be entering from the front bumper of the cab and exiting the rear - that's closer to the line of travel, even though Columbia Pike is under the road the cab is on, running approximately parallel to the fore-aft alignment of the cab, but with the Pike offset to the north by around 20 metres.

Sorry - late addition: I'm still waiting for the punchline. Your claim in slide 17 is invalid. All your subsequent questions only confirm this.
 
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photos #1 and #2 match. I see no issue with them

photo #3 is fine , what do you imagine is wrong in it? (apart from you having the TAs mixed up (again).

several pictures of pole B (#112) exactly where it should be in all the pictures.........

in photos #7 and #8 pole B is not visible because its out of shot to the right! just where it should be.


sorry but you clearly have zero observation skills...........go spend some time with overhead shots and you might start getting a clue about why you are wrong......I'm not holding my breath.....but you might :)
 
Kid Eager said:
No.

It would be more correct to say you'd be entering from the front bumper of the cab and exiting the rear - that's closer to the line of travel, even though Columbia Pike is under the road the cab is on, running approximately parallel to the fore-aft alignment of the cab, but with the Pike offset to the north by around 20 metres.
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What a bunch of double talk garbage. You say you'd be entering "from the front bumper and exiting the rear" - doesn't that contradict your earlier claim that the cab wasn't on the bridge?
 
Mobertermy said:
Dave, it's TA2. It is a traffic arm...look at the object in question then compare it to the other traffic arms in the other pictures.
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I've looked, and it's not absolutely clear what it is. It's the only thing in any photo that I can't identify clearly, though.

ETA: See below. I think we're now all perfectly clear about this: it's TA3, I was right, you were wrong. Last anomaly cleared up; case closed. The cab is off the bridge, exactly where the photos say it should be, and Lloyd England was mistaken about its position.

Mobertermy said:
So dave...now that you acknowledge you were wrong about it being TA3, will you acknowldge that your line of sight explanation in this post is also wrong http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6737684&postcount=22
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No. Why should I? The line of sight is perfectly clear. And, again, this is classic conspiracy theorist over-simplification. The fact that I can't positively identify whether the object by the cab door is TA2 is a separate issue to whether I can account for the position of the other light poles.

Mobertermy said:
And will you also acknowledge that that is the only line of sight "debunk" you have thus far attempted, and since you have thus far not produced any corrent line of sight "debunks" then you should stop repeating over and over again that this can all be explained away by line of sight issues.
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No, because the light pole positions can all be explained by line of sight. The only thing that can't is the object behind the cab door.

There's nothing subtle or complex about the light pole positions. They're very obviously correct.

Dave
 
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Mobertermy said:
Yes, I meant TA2 and TA3...take a look at what you are saying about TA1 in photo #1 and you'll see the picture is impossible, because for TA1 to be where you say it is in Photo #1 then the cab would be between TA3 and TA4.
Sorry for the confusion.
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So now that you admit you've made a trivial mistake, we can ignore everything you say. Is that how you think a serious debate works?

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
So now that you admit you've made a trivial mistake, we can ignore everything you say. Is that how you think a serious debate works?

Dave
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No, is that how you think a serious debate works?
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Dave look at photo #2 in the ppt.

Now imagine where the point exactly between pole 1 and 2 would be. Now imagine the point exactly between pole A and B. Now, why is it that the point for 1 and 2 is to the left of the cab, but A and B is to the right of the cab?
 
Mobertermy said:
I made a mistake and admitted to it. Get over it. You miss the irony...Alien Entity also made a mistake by saying I thought the cab was in the HOV lane.
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Can I also point out that I was right, that the object I said was what I said it was, and that you've dismissed everything I say because it didn't repeat your mistake? And, therefore, will you actually bother to take a look at the sight lines now?

Dave
 
Mobertermy said:
There's been debate about whether they moved the cab or not. I think the cab appearing to be behind the bush could be from the cameraman continuing down the hill.
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maybe..... i remember craig saying that some man helped loyd pull the pole out of his car but i dont remember him stating that he drove it back a few feet. who knows.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Can I also point out that I was right, that the object I said was what I said it was, and that you've dismissed everything I say because it didn't repeat your mistake? And, therefore, will you actually bother to take a look at the sight lines now?

Dave
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You aren't right Dave. You got TA2 and TA3 completely wrong, which isn't a trivial mistake.

Answer my question about pole 1&2 and A&B.

(I've looked at the sight lines...they don't help you.)
 
Mobertermy said:
No, is that how you think a serious debate works?
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Let me remind you:

Mobertermy said:
You got TA2 and TA3 completely wrong and then you want to just try and gloss over that fact as if it doesn't matter. Sorry buddy, that's not how "serious debate" works.
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So it looks like you got TA3 completely wrong too, and now you want to gloss over that fact as if it doesn't matter.

Mobertermy said:
Dave look at photo #2 in the ppt.

Now imagine where the point exactly between pole 1 and 2 would be. Now imagine the point exactly between pole A and B. Now, why is it that the point for 1 and 2 is to the left of the cab, but A and B is to the right of the cab?
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Seriously, is this some kind of joke?

Here's the sight line again, with the two points marked in white.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=22087

As you can see, the point between 1 and 2 is to the left of the cab, and the point between A and B is to the right. It's simply because of the line of sight, again.

Dave
 
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