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The logic in saying attacking Poland didn't start World War II, is like saying Austria-Hungary has no blame in starting World War I by attacking Serbia. If everyone else had let Austria-Hungary take care of a little business, no one else would have died.
 
Read the Talmud.
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Unlike you, I *have* read most of it, rather than what haters *say* it says.

Which is probably why you have run from my challenge to actually *cite* what you think justifies your hate by edition, volume and page.

Not that anyone here is surprized that you cannot...
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Now, do we have a treat for you!

This is Viktor Suvorov's book presentation at the United States Naval Academy on October 7, 2009

4 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7zVLfjWzmE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qh_iNRfGC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0BdQn9JekQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IilUns-oPvg

Have not seen this video.
Suvorow defends the thesis that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack.
Suvurow changes the perspective of WW2 180%.
Hitler was the good guy, the alllies the bad guys.
 
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Now, do we have a treat for you!

This is Viktor Suvorov's book presentation at the United States Naval Academy on October 7, 2009

4 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7zVLfjWzmE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qh_iNRfGC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0BdQn9JekQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IilUns-oPvg

Have not seen this video.
Suvorow defends the thesis that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack.
Suvurow changes the perspective of WW2 180%.
Hitler was the good guy, the alllies the bad guys.

And................? Eric Von Daniken wrote a book about aliens visiting Earth, does not make him right just because he wrote the book
 
This is Viktor Suvorov's book presentation at the United States Naval Academy on October 7, 2009
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... which has been pretty much universally trashed by historians.

Tell me -- what evidence does Suvorov cite in his book?

What that? You don't know because you haven't actually read it?

Get back to us when you can bother to do some *real* research.
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Have not seen this video.
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Then why are you wasting time posting it?
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Suvorow defends the thesis that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack.
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And does so with bald assertion, just like you
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Suvurow changes the perspective of WW2 180%.
Hitler was the good guy, the alllies the bad guys.
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Can you point us to the exact place in this presentation where Suvorow makes the claim that Hitler was the good guy?



What am I saying, of course you can't -- you haven't even watched it.



Here's a hint: he doesn't, because that's not even his thesis.


It's very dishonest of you to suggest that he does.


Another hint: even if Suvorow's thesis is correct, that doesn't make Hitler "the good guy." It makes him "another bad guy."
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God, you don't get sheer batcrap crazy stuff like what we get from The Lying Dutchman every day.
 
Was von Daeniken ever invited by the United States Naval Academy?

I don't care if he was speaking on the lawn of the White House. What does the place he's speaking at have to do with the fact that a substantial portion of his assertions are not at all sourced?
 
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... which has been pretty much universally trashed by historians.

In the West maybe, but not in Russia. He sold millions of copies of Icebreaker. He is mainstream in Russia.

Can you point us to the exact place in this presentation where Suvorow makes the claim that Hitler was the good guy?

Where in my post do I say that S. calls H. a good guy? :confused:
I said that S. says that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack.
Together with our new won knowledge concerning the H-word, we can safely say who were the heroes and who the liars. WW2 was a setup of the USA and USSR against Europe. Now it is payback time.

What am I saying, of course you can't -- you haven't even watched it.

I watched the 4 hour documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRq9ZFHrF0o
(18 parts in German)
 
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Frankly, my respect for Annapolis just went down a little because they had Suvorov as a speaker. I expected better from Rowboat U......

You should be worried; maybe the US military is not so fully committed to your little NWO project as you might hope.

On September 10, 2001, the Army School of Advanced Military Studies issued a report written by elite US army officers, which was made public just prior to 9/11. The report gave the following description for the Mossad: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." [Washington Times, 9/10/01]

And pay special attention to the veterans.
 
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Unlike you, I *have* read most of it

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

...rather than what haters *say* it says.

Which is probably why you have run from my challenge to actually *cite* what you think justifies your hate by edition, volume and page.

Not that anyone here is surprized that you cannot...
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Talmud for dummies.

That is all I am going to say about this dreadful book since it is not the topic of this thread.
 
I said that S. says that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack.


And as I pointed out to you some many pages ago now, some key people in the Third Reich were planning the invasion of Russia a full year before it actually happened.

What kind of preemptive attack is planned a full year before it takes place? Just how long was Russia massing its troops along the border for an invasion westwards? A year and a half? Two years? Longer?
 
In the West maybe, but not in Russia. He sold millions of copies of Icebreaker. He is mainstream in Russia.
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And of course, the number of books sold is the surest indication of acceptance by historians.

Meanwhile, Dmitri Volkogonov, Makhmut Gareev and Lev Bezymensky would dispute this.

Of course, not having cracked a book apparently ever, you wouldn't know this.
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Where in my post do I say that S. calls H. a good guy? :confused:
I said that S. says that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack.
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Which does not mean that Hitler was "the good guy."

Go ahead, deny you wrote that again. And deny that the context suggested you meant this was Suvorov's opinion.
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Together with our new won knowledge concerning the H-word, we can safely say who were the heroes and who the liars. WW2 was a setup of the USA and USSR against Europe. Now it is payback time.
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Except that nothing in the videos you posted, nor Suvorov's books even suggest a whisper of support for your assertion.
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Which aren't what you posted when you declared that Hitler was the "good guy."

Can you give us time codes where either of these state that?





No?




Because they don't?






You really need to review your sources before you post them.....
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Why am I not surprised?
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Because, despite being corrected on the matter, you assume that anyone opposing you is Jewish, and further assume that every Jew has read the Talmud.

Did you you miss where I said I also own an early translation of the Qu'ran? Does this also mean I am Muslim?

But then, I also own five different translations of the Bible -- what does that do to your "surprize."
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Talmud for dummies.

That is all I am going to say about this dreadful book since it is not the topic of this thread.
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Well, *you* brought it up in this thread, and offered it as evidence that justifies your Nazi buddies having done what they did.

And BTW, *you* didn't say anything except to mindlessly parrot a lie that you think might justify your hate, just as I predicted.

So I would submit that your whine about being off-topic is dishonest and hypocritical.

But we all know why you are running: you can't actually *cite* the Talmud saying what you have claimed it does, and know that your lie that it does would be shown to be such in short order.

Hint: the Talmud is in the form of an answer and response debate, and is not "a collection of oral laws of Judaism." This rabbi says this, that rabbi says that. Often more than two rabbis. And then (usually) a determination is made as to which opinion is more valid.

You wouldn't know this, having never cracked any of the volumes.

Next hint: the crap "quoted" ( almost always incompletely at that ) by your hater buddies is *never* determined to be the more valid opinion.
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Because, despite being corrected on the matter, you assume that anyone opposing you is Jewish, and further assume that every Jew has read the Talmud.

Did you you miss where I said I also own an early translation of the Qu'ran? Does this also mean I am Muslim?

But then, I also own five different translations of the Bible -- what does that do to your "surprize."
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So according to you, you:
1) read the Talmud
2) own some Quran
3) own Bibles

After we have established that owning literature in the digital age is not anything remarkable, I have no further questions your honor.

Well, *you* brought it up in this thread, and offered it as evidence that justifies your Nazi buddies having done what they did.

I told you hundreds of times before, I am not here to 'justify' my 'Nazi buddies', but merely to demolish your self-serving BS stories. This is not an exercise in putting Dolfie back on a pedestal, the idea is to restore European grandeur on the basis of a new explanation of history after you have left the world stage, somewhere in this decade, after the current process of American suicide has been completed (suicide as a consequence of insane non-realistic global imperial ideas, dollar crash, 9/11 truth coming out and reckless immigration policies, mounting debts).

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I am of Protestant/Dutch ('Nederlands Hervormd') background, who in the sixties listened to Jimmy Hendrix and the Beatles, lost Christian faith at the age of 15, became concerned with the Third World, even worked on an African development project (and learned it was hopeless to teach these people anything and quietly dropped my ideas on this front), was pro-Israel, believed in the holocaust, thought in all earnest that Europe was 'liberated' from the evil Nazis, had a lefty world view until 9/11, then started to think about mass immigration, multiculturalism. Now I am a reconstructed racialist right winger, sick and tired of lefty ideologies, determined to defend Europe against becoming overrun by third worlders and have sceptical views about the role of Jews in world history, as you might have noticed.

P.S-2. we are not going to derail this thread by discussing the Talmud.
 
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And as I pointed out to you some many pages ago now, some key people in the Third Reich were planning the invasion of Russia a full year before it actually happened.

What kind of preemptive attack is planned a full year before it takes place? Just how long was Russia massing its troops along the border for an invasion westwards? A year and a half? Two years? Longer?

And I have pointed out here that Hitler already knew that war was inevitable after Molotov's visit to Berlin in November 1940 and started preparing for this eventuality. But that does not mean that Hitler wanted war. He already was at war against everybody else against his will. But in June 1941 he was forced to attack knowing that a Soviet attack was immanent. That is what the word 'preempting' refers to. Hitler knew all along an attack was coming and prepared, but in June he had to move. The Russians had massed troops and equipment near the border but at the same time put it in a very vulnerable position. Suvurov showed that the Germans could destroy a field filed with equipment with a single bomb thrown from an airplane. It may have been Hitler who strategically outmaneuvered with this Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, but it was Stalin who was completely surprised by the attack. Suvorov btw repeats that the division of Poland was an idea of Stalin, not of the Germans. The Germans merely wanted a non-agression agreement, Stalin wanted to border with Germany for the future. The next smart move of Stalin was to agree with the Germans to attack Poland on September 1. The Germans did, but not the Russians, thus maneuvering Germany into war with Britain and France and be the villain on the world stage, until this day. Next let Germany defeat the Polish army and then 17 days later Stalin moved in on a vague pretext like protecting minorities, and make it appear as if the Soviets merely reacted to German actions, where in reality they had designed them. Stalin (and very likely the Americans in the background) had outmaneuvered Hitler.

Yesterday night I have been watching the video of the talk Suvorow held in front of American naval 'elite', slumped in a chair, listening to this Russian former spy. Some snippets: on the German side it was 3000 tanks and 750,000 horses (the latter are never shown in Jewish/Hollywood propaganda movies since these are not very Blitzy), against 21,000 Soviet state-of-the-art tanks (even amphibious ones). The Soviets had 6 million booklets printed that every Soviet soldier carried around with him, containing a little Russian-German dictionary with sentences like "do not be afraid, the Red Army is here to liberate you" or "what is the name of this village". :D These phrases obviously are of no use for an army fighting in the vicinity of Smolensk.

Halfway his presentation Suvorow showed this Soviet propaganda icon: a hammer and sickle projected on the entire world, not just the USSR. You will be hard-pressed to produce a similar picture, projecting the German nationalist swastika symbol onto the whole world. It does not exist. In WW2:
- Germany wanted to restore German as a powerful nation
- USSR wanted to conquer the world under the dictatorship of the proletariat
- USA wanted to conquer the world as well and still aspires this

The USA and USSR actively sought war with Germany, not the other way around.

They are the real villains.

I expect that the last remaining revelation about WW2 will be that Roosevelt and Stalin conspired, uhh sorry... worked towards this goal as early as 1933, via William Bullitt.
 
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So according to you, you:
1) read the Talmud
2) own some Quran
3) own Bibles

After we have established that owning literature in the digital age is not anything remarkable, I have no further questions your honor.
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Okay, I suppose I'm going to have to break it down for you: literate people who are not book collectors (which I am not) don't tend to purchase books without the intention to read them. So I have read the Qu'ran (note the spelling) and I have each of those Bibles, cover to cover, sometimes two or three at a time to compare the translations. Note that while I have read *all* of the others, I have stated that I have only read *most* of the Soncino.



None of which changes the fact that *you* have read *none* of any edition of the Talmud, only what your hater buddies have *told* you it says, which is why you *still* refuse to cite any passage by edition, volume and page.

You're claiming this justifies your hate, and once again have not bothered to actually check you sources.

Further, you claim hate like your own justifies Germany having started 'struck back' in WWII.

But do keep running from these facts.
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told you hundreds of times before, I am not here to 'justify' my 'Nazi buddies', but merely to demolish your self-serving BS stories.
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Except for the teeny tiny fact that you haven't demolished anything except what little credibility you had by demonstrating time and again a to the bone ignorance of the history you're so rabid to deny.
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This is not an exercise in putting Dolfie back on a pedestal, the idea is to restore European grandeur on the basis of a new explanation of history after you have left the world stage, somewhere in this decade, after the current process of American suicide has been completed (suicide as a consequence of insane non-realistic global imperial ideas, dollar crash, 9/11 truth coming out and reckless immigration policies, mounting debts).
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Shall I wait while you wipe the spittle off your screen?

Or *is* that spittle? Ewwww
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P.S.-1 Why don't you simply admit what you are, just like me? Do you have something to hide, like I suspect you do?
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Ummm. Because it's completely irrelevant to the discussion, and only matters to ignorant racists like yourself?


What I am is human.

Since you've already been told what you "suspect" is wrong, why should I go into more detail than that? You're just going to keep on pretending you know anything about me or my motives anyway...
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Gawd admitted he is Irish, gareth Welsh/Dutch, ddt Dutch (and Jewish?), Trojan 'Russian/orthodox' (which is a lie, he is Jewish),
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See? This is what I'm talking about -- you know this is a because of personal relationship with Trojan's parents and knowledge of his upbringing?


No?


Then you are the one lying here, until such time as you can demonstrate such a relationship and such knowledge.
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Now I am a reconstructed racialist right winger, sick and tired of lefty ideologies, determined to defend Europe against becoming overrun by third worlders and have sceptical views about the role of Jews in world history, as you might have noticed.
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Nope, you're lying. You're a Jewish disinfo agent, sent here by the Mossad to to make racists look bad.

Note that I offer *exactly* same level of proof as you do about Trojan.
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P.S-2. we are not going to derail this thread by discussing the Talmud.
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Once again *you* brought it up, and offered as part of your justification of German policy in WWII.

You're not fooling *anyone* -- it's patently obvious you don't want to discuss it now because even *you* realize you will get eviscerated, and your delusions of knowledge haven't advanced so far as to allow you not to be embarrassed by that.
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And I have pointed out here that Hitler already knew that war was inevitable after Molotov's visit to Berlin in November 1940 and started preparing for this eventuality. But that does not mean that Hitler wanted war. He already was at war against everybody else against his will. But in June 1941 he was forced to attack knowing that a Soviet attack was immanent. That is what the word 'preempting' refers to. Hitler knew all along an attack was coming and prepared, but in June he had to move. The Russians had massed troops and equipment near the border but at the same time put it in a very vulnerable position. Suvurov showed that the Germans could destroy a field filed with equipment with a single bomb thrown from an airplane. It may have been Hitler who strategically outmaneuvered with this Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, but it was Stalin who was completely surprised by the attack. Suvorov btw repeats that the division of Poland was an idea of Stalin, not of the Germans. The Germans merely wanted a non-agression agreement, Stalin wanted to border with Germany for the future. The next smart move of Stalin was to agree with the Germans to attack Poland on September 1. The Germans did, but not the Russians, thus maneuvering Germany into war with Britain and France and be the villain on the world stage, until this day. Next let Germany defeat the Polish army and then 17 days later Stalin moved in on a vague pretext like protecting minorities, and make it appear as if the Soviets merely reacted to German actions, where in reality they had designed them. Stalin (and very likely the Americans in the background) had outmaneuvered Hitler.

Yesterday night I have been watching the video of the talk Suvorow held in front of American naval 'elite', slumped in a chair, listening to this Russian former spy. Some snippets: on the German side it was 3000 tanks and 750,000 horses (the latter are never shown in Jewish/Hollywood propaganda movies since these are not very Blitzy), against 21,000 Soviet state-of-the-art tanks (even amphibious ones). The Soviets had 6 million booklets printed that every Soviet soldier carried around with him, containing a little Russian-German dictionary with sentences like "do not be afraid, the Red Army is here to liberate you" or "what is the name of this village". :D These phrases obviously are of no use for an army fighting in the vicinity of Smolensk.

Halfway his presentation Suvorow showed this Soviet propaganda icon: a hammer and sickle projected on the entire world, not just the USSR. You will be hard-pressed to produce a similar picture, projecting the German nationalist swastika symbol onto the whole world. It does not exist. In WW2:
- Germany wanted to restore German as a powerful nation
- USSR wanted to conquer the world under the dictatorship of the proletariat
- USA wanted to conquer the world as well and still aspires this

The USA and USSR actively sought war with Germany, not the other way around.

They are the real villains.

I expect that the last remaining revelation about WW2 will be that Roosevelt and Stalin conspired, uhh sorry... worked towards this goal as early as 1933, via William Bullitt.

Try actually reading a book one day.
 
Now, do we have a treat for you!

This is Viktor Suvorov's book presentation at the United States Naval Academy on October 7, 2009

4 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7zVLfjWzmE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qh_iNRfGC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0BdQn9JekQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IilUns-oPvg

Have not seen this video.
Suvorow defends the thesis that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack.
Suvurow changes the perspective of WW2 180%.
Hitler was the good guy, the alllies the bad guys.

FSM save me from a person with only one book.
 
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