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USA torturing Bradley Manning

FattyCatty said:
Yet he passed a psychological test and is not deemed suicidal.
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So?


Is that the only step in the federal/military procedure to put someone on a suicide watch? Do you have evidence that the jail is violating applicable rules for detention?
 
Spindrift said:
Actually it's the US military detention system which is a separate system unto itself.
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Agreed, and one that I don't know too much about, but I was simply responding to the mention of the US detention system in specific.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
I was too busy laughing at the idea of Manning walking around whispering state secrets to anyone who would listen to him in (the military equivalent of) genpop.
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:rolleyes:

Funny stuff, violating state secrets, isn't it?
 
WildCat said:
:rolleyes:

Funny stuff, violating state secrets, isn't it?
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Considering that it's not happening whatsoever (and my point being that I doubt that is what would occur), yes. Do you really think that given access to other prisoners, Manning would just ramble on about various secrets to whomever would listen?
 
A Laughing Baby said:
Considering that it's not happening whatsoever (and my point being that I doubt that is what would occur), yes. Do you really think that given access to other prisoners, Manning would just ramble on about various secrets to whomever would listen?
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I think he very well could, yes. But sitting in solitary I know he can't.

Jonathan Pollard's been in solitary for 25 years. Something to think about if you want to be a spy.
 
Well, that's an interesting take on it at least. Most of the other arguments I've heard in favor of solitary for him were variations on "other prisoners would kill him/he would harm himself." Hearing an argument that he would be a danger to other prisoners by exposing secrets is a new one for me.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
It seems to me that the core argument in support of his treatment going on here (with some variation, of course) is essentially "he deserves it." No expansion here, just commenting.
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A Laughing Baby said:
Most of the other arguments I've heard in favor of solitary for him were variations on "other prisoners would kill him/he would harm himself."
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Can't make up your mind? How about, "It looks like the general consensus in support of his treatment is whichever argument is the easiest for me to scoff at right this moment".
 
I suppose the better wording would be something like this. The majority of the posts and verbal arguments I've heard in favor of keeping him in solitary have been a variation of "he will harm himself/be harmed by others," but the tone/content of the arguments have implied that the real reason for supporting his treatment is "he deserves it." I hope this clears that up.
 
I can imagine Manning whispering in other inmates ears some state secrets...like:

1. Many politicians worry more about Iran's nuclear program than they say in public.
2. Obama tried incentives to get other countries to take some Guantanamo detainees off his hands, and failed.
3. State Dept labelled Quatar as worst counter-terrorism country in that area.


Wow.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelo...out/top-ten-revelations-from-wikileaks-cables
 
FattyCatty said:
Quotes from Manning were in one of the links in the OP. Didn't you read them?

In the Salon article, The other article had quotes from Manning. How are these "Speculation and hyperbole"?
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Yep, and the OP is still BS OK? We are discussing the OP are we not?
 
BenBurch said:
Your source, please? In any case I asked a corrections officer, and Death Penalty cases usually have suicide protocols no matter the psychiatric state of the prisoner.
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I wouldn't blame them for being over-protective of him either. If he died, either by another detainee, or by his own hand, imagine the backlash.

No matter what the US does in regards to holding him, they will be strongly criticized. That doesn't mean they couldn't be doing wrong, and that we shouldn't be looking, but let's face the fact that they really can't stop any and all actions being spun sinister.
 
So what we've decided is that unless remand prisoners are held in the penthouse suite of the local Hyatt, it's torture. Cool.
 
So we shouldn't have anyone in any form of detention until they are convicted?


Just what conditions do people think he should be held in?
 
WildCat said:
Did you miss my point that he has knowledge of classified information, and is in jail because he is suspected of passing that classified information to a 3rd party, so why would he be allowed to mingle with the general population where he could reveal more classified information?
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But he hasn't been found guilty yet!!!! You can't treat someone like a criminal if they have not been found guilty yet!!!!

Anyways, you are 100% correct. The whole "he has not been found guilty yet" is a poor excuse.
 
Spindrift said:
He's in the marine brig at Quantico. The general population there is marines, which I would guess means a higher than average love of country, even if they are in the brig. So I would hazard a guess that they are generally less than sympathetic to Pvt Manning and might feel the urge to make their displeasure with Manning known to him.
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What has Manning done to suggest he doesn't love his country?
 
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