Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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It's just possible that Doc's decided that we're hopeless and left us to our fate. Maybe the Rapture thingy happened and he's in Heaven.
 
Rincewind said:
Hello!

HELLO!!

Anybody there?

Knock twice for yes, and once for no!

Oh - and three times if you know where and how (and possibly when) Simon the Zealot died...
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DOC's probably taking an extended "research" vacation trying to think of new fallacies to use. ;)

Either that, or he's sticking to the 12 Days of Christmas Tradition (I wonder if he knows that was ripped off from Pagans too).

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Aha - three knocks!

So you must know the story of Simon?

Is it different from the one I posted hundreds of years ago?

(Note to DOC - this is exaggeration for comic effect...)

So - do tell...

:D
 
amb said:
Just for the record. Luke was not written by the Physician Luke of the tale in the N/T. No one knows the exact authors of none of the gospels, and half of the Pauline writings as well.
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How is it possible to know for sure. Even if we dug up a 2000 year old gospel that was signed Matthew that doesn't mean Matthew wrote it. But we are talking about all of this 2000 years later for a reason.

And we don't have any signatures of the most powerful man in the world during his time, Julius Caesar. Does that mean he never signed anything?
 
This is like the quote about Homer - that his books weren't written by him, but by another man called Homer. (Homer Simpson, perhaps?)

I though at least some of the dating of the gospels was based on the linguistic style?

BTW - how do you know that we don't have any signatures from Julius Caesar?
 
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amb said:
Just for the record. Luke was not written by the Physician Luke of the tale in the N/T. No one knows the exact authors of none of the gospels, and half of the Pauline writings as well.
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How is it possible to know for sure.
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If you'd bothered to read the thread you'd know the answer to this question. (I'm assuming it's a question. Your lack of correct punctuation raises a red flag though.)


DOC said:
Even if we dug up a 2000 year old gospel that was signed Matthew that doesn't mean Matthew wrote it.
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And yet you claim that not only do you know who wrote these stories, but that they were telling the truth. How could this be?


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But we are talking about all of this 2000 years later for a reason.
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Because someone claimed he had evidence that it was all true. Know anything about that, DOC?


DOC said:
And we don't have any signatures of the most powerful man in the world during his time, Julius Caesar. Does that mean he never signed anything?
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No it means that you're so destitute of decent arguments to present that you're attempting to recycle absolute rubbish that was identified as such hundreds of pages ago.

It's a transparently disgraceful performance lacking anything even approaching logic, integrity or honesty.


How and where did Simon the Zealot die, DOC?
 
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zooterkin said:
DOC said:
And we don't have any signatures of the most powerful man in the world during his time, Julius Caesar.
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This is fascinating new 'evidence', DOC. Are you now claiming that Jesus was alive in or before 44BC?
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I thought he might be laying the basis for a claim that the lack of a signature was evidence that Julius didn't have anything to write on because there was no such thing as paper and because Julius Caesar is just a character in a Shakespeare play which is fiction, and there was no fiction in Palestine in 0BCE so therefore the NT writers told the truth.

Or something.
 
DOC said:
How is it possible to know for sure. Even if we dug up a 2000 year old gospel that was signed Matthew that doesn't mean Matthew wrote it.
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Do we have evidence the NT told the truth about there even being a Matthew?

Seems to be a bit of a fictional character with nothing really known for sure but assumptions based on a book with, as you continue to demonstrate, no reliable evidence that the story therein is true

As an example of the vagueness on Matthew take this from the Wiki article on Matty.
He is said to have died a natural death either in Ethiopia or in Macedonia. However, the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church each hold the tradition that Matthew died as a martyr.
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Which coincidently brings us back to Simon the Zealot. Just how did he die?
 
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DOC said:
How is it possible to know for sure. Even if we dug up a 2000 year old gospel that was signed Matthew that doesn't mean Matthew wrote it. But we are talking about all of this 2000 years later for a reason.

And we don't have any signatures of the most powerful man in the world during his time, Julius Caesar. Does that mean he never signed anything?
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Ever heard of this thing called logic,Doc?
 
Rincewind said:
Aha - three knocks!

So you must know the story of Simon?

Is it different from the one I posted hundreds of years ago?

(Note to DOC - this is exaggeration for comic effect...)

So - do tell...

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Soz, my mistake.

I was going to mention a story I'd read about something involving a nasty paper cut, but then I remembered that there was no paper about in those day, so that story must obviously have been fiction.

No, wait . . . that can't be right either!

Umm . . . Thomas Jefferson. Yeah, that's it. Thomas Jefferson, in the music room, with a small pair of scissors.
 
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zooterkin said:
Cutting out all the mystical bits of the bible, which is proof that they were true?
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Exactly, although I've just noticed an error in my previous post.

I went back and re-read the original oral traditions, and it wasn't the music room - it was in the empty tomb.

Easy mistake to make, with that whole rhyming thing going on. ("music room" and "empty tomb" also rhyme in Aramaic, as luck would have it)
 
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