Merged Theory links Newtonian/Quantum the amazing Frank Znidarsic

[MattusMaximus]

Would you believe an angel whispered it to me? Its actually 1.094 MHz m or 1,094,000 m/s which is the speed of the quantum transition. As I stated Planck's constant is meaningless its just a function of the speed of transition.

Source? Where did your value of v_t originate?

ETA: Okay, I see you linked to a Youtube video. The title of the video is "Anti-Gravity/Cold Fusion Explained in Detail". Such a title doesn't give me the impression that Frank Znidarsic isn't just a physics crank. First, one would have to establish the actual existence of the phenomena of anti-gravity & cold fusion before one could go about explaining them

 

[MattusMaximus]

It seems that with a little digging, the origin of the v_t number can be found in this paper by Frank Znidarsic. I don't know if it was ever actually submitted for peer review or published, but the fact that this guy is an electrical engineer attempting to publish on a topic outside of his field (he's trying to play theoretical physicist, it seems) doesn't give me much cause to lend his ideas any validity. I'll give it a quick once over, though.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

I don't know if it was ever actually submitted for peer review or published,

I've skimmed that paper, and I don't think it was - Someone wanted to discuss it in physicsforums' scepticism & debunking forum, but it was not allowed as they only allow discussions of papers published in mainstream journals to avoid crackpot flooding.

 

[JCM]

The Newest Paper is fairly clear
http://tinyurl.com/2g4gyv9
Quantization of Energy

Okay, I see you linked to a Youtube video

Did you get a chance to watch it or just read its title?

Quantization of Energy

An understanding of the natural world has progressed in the direction of higher energies. The stationary quantum state has emerged as a central theme within this quest. The stationary quantum states were used to explain the workings of nature. The emergence of the macroscopic multi-body cold fusion phenomena has allowed an understanding of nature to progress in the direction of lower energies. This author’s qualification of this low energy regime has revealed the transitional quantum state. The use of the transitional quantum state provided a causative explication for the quantum condition. This paper will produce the energy of the photon, the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, and the probability of transition as effects of the transitional quantum state. These productions lead to new technology.
In the late 20th Century Frank Znidarsic observed a speed within some cold fusion and gravitomagnetic experiments. He discovered that speed is that of mechanical wave propagation within the nucleus, henceforth referred to as “sound”. He produced a classical model of quantum reality that includes both the atomic spectra and this speed. He discovered that the quantum condition is the result of a classical
impedance match that occurs when the speed of light within the electronic structure of the atom equals the
speed of sound within its nuclear structure.

THE OBSERVABLES
Thermal energy, nuclear transmutations, and a few high energy particles have reportedly been
produced during cold fusion experiments. The transmutation of heavy elements has also been
reported. The name Low Level Nuclear Reactions is now used to describe the process. The process
was renamed to include the reported transmutation of heavy elements.
According to contemporary theory heavy element transmutations can only progress at energies in
the millions of electron volts. The available energy at room temperature is only a fraction of an electron
volt. These experimental results do not fit within the confines of the contemporary theoretical constructs.
They have been widely criticized on this basis. These experiments have produced very little, or no
radiation. The lack of high energy radiation is also a source of contention.
Nuclear reactions can proceed without producing radiation under a condition where the range of
the nuclear force is extended. The process of cold fusion may require a radical restructuring of the range
and strength of the natural forces. The condition of the active nuclear environment provides some clues:
Low Level Nuclear reactions proceed in a domain of 50 nanometers. They have a positive thermal
coefficient. The product of the domain size and the thermal frequency is one million meters per second.
Equation #1 expresses this speed as the product of the circumference of the active domain and
the thermal frequency. The formulation expresses the thermal frequency as a fraction n of the Compton
frequency. The speed Vt is that that of sound within the dissolved deuterium.
(1)
V_t(2pinr_p)( fc / n)

The gravitational experiments of Eugene Podkletnov involved the 3 megahertz stimulation of a 1/3
of a meter superconducting disk. These experiments reportedly produced a strong gravitational anomaly. The results also do not appear to fit within the contemporary scientific construct. They have been
widely criticized. It is assumed that the generation of a strong local gravitational field violates the principle
of the conservation of energy.
The strength of the electromagnetic field can be amplified with the use of a conductor. The
existence of a gravitomagnetic field amplifier no more violates the principle of the conservation of energy
than does the existence of a conductor; like iron, which amplifies an electromagnetic field. The geometry
of the superconducting structure provides collaborating information. The product of the disk diameter and
the stimulation frequency expresses, as in the case with cold fusion, a speed of one meter million meters
per second. This speed Vt may be associated with optical phonons within the superconductive structure.

 

[jasonpatterson]

I have to admit that I cannot understand how the frequency of a photon times its wavelength is anything other than its speed, c, at least using the frequency/wavelength as you describe them in the first lines of the OP.

ETA: More to the point, if this guy understands the secrets to anti-gravity and cold fusion, I'll be delighted. He needs to be able to demonstrate that fact to people who are qualified to evaluate the claim rather than posting unpublished papers on the internet. If he has a means of making any device employing these phenomena he will, shortly thereafter, be one of the richest people on the planet.

 

[MattusMaximus]

The Newest Paper is fairly clear
http://tinyurl.com/2g4gyv9
Quantization of Energy

Wow... I just got done reading through the first half of the paper. I won't waste any more time reading through the rest of it, because what is clear to me is that the author has no clue what he's talking about.

I can say this as a physics professor, and I see Znidarsic making all kinds of mistaken assumptions, non-sequitirs, and outright fallacious claims all through that paper. There also seems to be a fair sprinkling of physics terminology (e.g. Bose-Einstein condensates - wtf?) throughout the paper to give it the appearance of validity, but the fact that he uses these terms completely out of context makes this a complete non-starter.

In short, this is a major fail.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I have to admit that I cannot understand how the frequency of a photon times its wavelength is anything other than its speed, c, at least using the frequency/wavelength as you describe them in the first lines of the OP.

It's not, the OP and the source for his/her claims - Frank Znidarsic - seem to be coming from the school of "making things up."

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yeah, looks much the same to me. Znidarsic is starting from a deep-rooted misunderstanding of quantum mechanics and applying it to the explanation of unverified experimental results, which he doesn't actually succeed in doing (although he pretends he has). His result for the constant that he calls "the speed of the quantum transition", as far as I can see, is simply derived by substitution from the known value of Planck's constant. He's drawing some parallels to cases where he's manipulated some experimental results to give values close to his Vt value, but this is more numerology than physics.

Wake me up when he finds something that's really happened that he can explain and QM can't. The first qualification excludes cold fusion or antigravity.

Dave

 

[Cuddles]

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[Dancing David]

Yes here are direct view links

http://tinyurl.com/2g4gyv9


Yes which is why I wanted to share the papers directly

Or it means they are contradictory to the evidence.
Atoms and electrons are not static.

 

[JCM]

Wow... I just got done reading through http://www.scribd.com/doc/25456609/...orces-leading-to-Cold-Fusion-and-Anti-Gravity

Nope through would be completely and of course you've not read the newest paper and build a straw-man of an old paper

I can say this as a physics professor

e.g. Bose-Einstein condensates - wtf?

Yes BECs are completely relevant to the conversation at hand. Being a professor do you understand what BECs are? And what role they play in the model put forth by Frank? Why then ask wtf since obviously they are aptly included in the paper? I am beginning to suspect you are no professor at all

 

[Skwinty]

Or it means they are contradictory to the evidence.
Atoms and electrons are not static.

Not even when they are in their ground state.

 

[JCM]

Atoms and electrons are not static.

They are unless in the transitory state its either on or off

 

[Dancing David]

The Newest Paper is fairly clear
http://tinyurl.com/2g4gyv9
Quantization of Energy

Did you get a chance to watch it or just read its title?

Quantization of Energy

An understanding of the natural world has progressed in the direction of higher energies. The stationary quantum state has emerged as a central theme within this quest. The stationary quantum states were used to explain the workings of nature. The emergence of the macroscopic multi-body cold fusion phenomena has allowed an understanding of nature to progress in the direction of lower energies. This author’s qualification of this low energy regime has revealed the transitional quantum state. The use of the transitional quantum state provided a causative explication for the quantum condition. This paper will produce the energy of the photon, the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, and the probability of transition as effects of the transitional quantum state. These productions lead to new technology.
In the late 20th Century Frank Znidarsic observed a speed within some cold fusion and gravitomagnetic experiments. He discovered that speed is that of mechanical wave propagation within the nucleus, henceforth referred to as “sound”. He produced a classical model of quantum reality that includes both the atomic spectra and this speed. He discovered that the quantum condition is the result of a classical
impedance match that occurs when the speed of light within the electronic structure of the atom equals the
speed of sound within its nuclear structure.

THE OBSERVABLES
Thermal energy, nuclear transmutations, and a few high energy particles have reportedly been
produced during cold fusion experiments. The transmutation of heavy elements has also been
reported. The name Low Level Nuclear Reactions is now used to describe the process. The process
was renamed to include the reported transmutation of heavy elements.
According to contemporary theory heavy element transmutations can only progress at energies in
the millions of electron volts. The available energy at room temperature is only a fraction of an electron
volt. These experimental results do not fit within the confines of the contemporary theoretical constructs.
They have been widely criticized on this basis. These experiments have produced very little, or no
radiation. The lack of high energy radiation is also a source of contention.
Nuclear reactions can proceed without producing radiation under a condition where the range of
the nuclear force is extended. The process of cold fusion may require a radical restructuring of the range
and strength of the natural forces. The condition of the active nuclear environment provides some clues:
Low Level Nuclear reactions proceed in a domain of 50 nanometers. They have a positive thermal
coefficient. The product of the domain size and the thermal frequency is one million meters per second.
Equation #1 expresses this speed as the product of the circumference of the active domain and
the thermal frequency. The formulation expresses the thermal frequency as a fraction n of the Compton
frequency. The speed Vt is that that of sound within the dissolved deuterium.
(1)
V_t(2pinr_p)( fc / n)

The gravitational experiments of Eugene Podkletnov involved the 3 megahertz stimulation of a 1/3
of a meter superconducting disk. These experiments reportedly produced a strong gravitational anomaly. The results also do not appear to fit within the contemporary scientific construct. They have been
widely criticized. It is assumed that the generation of a strong local gravitational field violates the principle
of the conservation of energy.
The strength of the electromagnetic field can be amplified with the use of a conductor. The
existence of a gravitomagnetic field amplifier no more violates the principle of the conservation of energy
than does the existence of a conductor; like iron, which amplifies an electromagnetic field. The geometry
of the superconducting structure provides collaborating information. The product of the disk diameter and
the stimulation frequency expresses, as in the case with cold fusion, a speed of one meter million meters
per second. This speed Vt may be associated with optical phonons within the superconductive structure.

Considering that none of the cold fusion claims have been well replicated this is a bad place to start.

 

[Dancing David]

They are unless in the transitory state its either on or off

Then you don't understand QM very well, atoms and especially electrons or to a lesser extent bosons are not static, they are wave forms as discussed by Schroedinger et al. , you can't just say "They are binary" and pretend it has meaning, it doesn't.
Even within a shell state the electron has an equal probability distribution within the shell, so it is hardly static.

 

[Skwinty]

They are unless in the transitory state its either on or off

Are you suggesting that atoms and elementary particles are binary systems?

 

[C_Felix]

Two things:
1) Looks like Bisahdi got a new posting name.
2) I dont see how this links Newton and the world of the Quanta.

 

[JCM]

Considering that none of the cold fusion claims have been well replicated

umm they actually have maybe you are just not up to date? The problem is palladium purity and 50-10nm range of domain uniformity issues in the palladium used by some of the supposed "failures". At a uniform 50 - 10 nm palladium, cold fusion with palladium is reduplicated easily and has been around the world

 

[JCM]

I dont see how this links Newton and the world of the Quanta.

You can get to Planck's constant without any empirical knowledge by use of the 1.094Mhz m transitional speed. You can derive the fine structure constant from first principles. It rectifies the two worlds by proving photons are three dimensional and only lose their width with the collapse of the waveform

 

[Skwinty]

You can get to Planck's constant without any empirical knowledge by use of the 1.094Mhz m transitional speed. You can derive the fine structure constant from first principles. It rectifies the two worlds by proving photons are three dimensional and only lose their width with the collapse of the waveform

So where does Isaac fit into this?