Be a good little atheist...

The Sit In

Maitre d': Gawdzilla, party of one. Right this way, sir.

Gawdzilla: Religion is my bitch!

Waiter: I'm Steve, I'll be your waiter this evening. Can I start you off with some bread sticks?

Gawdzilla: I don't want any of that "this is my body" ****.

Waiter: I assure you, sir, I wasn't propositioning you. Would you like something to drink?

Gawdzilla: Bring me a Bloody Mary, 'cause that bitch was no virgin, you know what I mean?

Waiter: One Bloody Mary WITH vodka. Very good sir. Are you ready to order now, or would you like to take a minute?

Gawdzilla: I'm an atheist, and I'm not leaving until I get served. You can't make me sit in the back of the bus!

Waiter: I'm sorry, would you like a different table, sir?

Gawdzilla: Oh, hell no! You can't push me around. You don't want the atheists sitting out here in the open, am I right? People see me not saying grace, it's going to upset the little believers? Well, deal with it, because I'm not going anywhere! And I'm NOT saying grace! I'm an atheist, hear me roar!

Waiter: Very good, sir, what can I get you?

Gawdzilla: 'Cause I'm NOT saying grace, no way. I'm an atheist, and by God you'll treat me just as well as anyone else! I'm tired of playing nice!

Waiter: I didn't realize you were playing, sir. I'll just go ahead and bring your drink.

Gawdzilla (to diners at next table): "Olive Garden." Pffft. Do they think this is "Gethsemane" or something? **** that ****. I'm an atheist.

Diners: ...

Gawdzilla (to no one in particular): Everywhere I go, some believer is trying to stuff their delusions down my throat. I'm sick of it.

Waiter: Here's your Bloody Mary, sir. Are you ready to order, or do you still need a minute?

Gawdzilla: Yeah, you finally realized I was serious, and atheists have the same right to service as God botherers, didn't you? Next time an atheist comes in, maybe you'll think twice!

Waiter: What can I get you, sir?

Gawdzilla: The same treatment as anyone else!

Waiter: Yes, sir, are you ready to order?

Gawdzilla: I'll have the Pasta Prima Donna.

Waiter: I'll bring it right out.

Gawdzilla: Damn right you will. I'm willing to fight for it; I'm not just going to sit here with my thumbs up my butt!

Waiter: And we're all grateful for that, sir. I'll be right back with your pasta.
 
bokonon said:
Maitre d': Gawdzilla, party of one. Right this way, sir.

Gawdzilla: Religion is my bitch!

Waiter: I'm Steve, I'll be your waiter this evening. Can I start you off with some bread sticks?

Gawdzilla: I don't want any of that "this is my body" ****.

Waiter: I assure you, sir, I wasn't propositioning you. Would you like something to drink?

Gawdzilla: Bring me a Bloody Mary, 'cause that bitch was no virgin, you know what I mean?

Waiter: One Bloody Mary WITH vodka. Very good sir. Are you ready to order now, or would you like to take a minute?

Gawdzilla: I'm an atheist, and I'm not leaving until I get served. You can't make me sit in the back of the bus!

Waiter: I'm sorry, would you like a different table, sir?

Gawdzilla: Oh, hell no! You can't push me around. You don't want the atheists sitting out here in the open, am I right? People see me not saying grace, it's going to upset the little believers? Well, deal with it, because I'm not going anywhere! And I'm NOT saying grace! I'm an atheist, hear me roar!

Waiter: Very good, sir, what can I get you?

Gawdzilla: 'Cause I'm NOT saying grace, no way. I'm an atheist, and by God you'll treat me just as well as anyone else! I'm tired of playing nice!

Waiter: I didn't realize you were playing, sir. I'll just go ahead and bring your drink.

Gawdzilla (to diners at next table): "Olive Garden." Pffft. Do they think this is "Gethsemane" or something? **** that ****. I'm an atheist.

Diners: ...

Gawdzilla (to no one in particular): Everywhere I go, some believer is trying to stuff their delusions down my throat. I'm sick of it.

Waiter: Here's your Bloody Mary, sir. Are you ready to order, or do you still need a minute?

Gawdzilla: Yeah, you finally realized I was serious, and atheists have the same right to service as God botherers, didn't you? Next time an atheist comes in, maybe you'll think twice!

Waiter: What can I get you, sir?

Gawdzilla: The same treatment as anyone else!

Waiter: Yes, sir, are you ready to order?

Gawdzilla: I'll have the Pasta Prima Donna.

Waiter: I'll bring it right out.

Gawdzilla: Damn right you will. I'm willing to fight for it; I'm not just going to sit here with my thumbs up my butt!

Waiter: And we're all grateful for that, sir. I'll be right back with your pasta.
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Classic.
 
Sounds like a version of the argument gays want 'special' treatment simply because they asked for equal treatment.
 
If nothing, this thread has been enlightening as to how many people in the thread don't want to look at the evidence for discrimination against atheists.

The absence of atheists/agnostics in elected federal offices has been discounted. Multiple examples of discrimination posted have been discounted.


The reaction to the law banning school prayer and expression of Christian worship in public schools caused much of the resentment of atheists. This was a catalyst for certain communities to react openly against atheists.

To many people atheists are responsible for removing God from their local public schools which the Christians had become accustomed to. More than a few people reject the Supreme Court interpretation of the Establishment Clause. A number of Evangelical groups promote that rejection. Christian 'activists' have been campaigning that the real interpretation is "freedom of religion not freedom from religion". Christine O'Donnell was not alone in her ignorance in the debate with her opponent when O'Donnell expressed disbelief that the Constitution included "separation of church and state".

If you speak out about a public school practice of the Christian religion which you have a right to speak out about, you will often reap the wrath of the community who resents the rules. This CNN news story from a couple years ago, in 2 parts about 4 minutes each, illustrates the problem. (The intro is the same in each segment.)


 
Skeptic Ginger said:
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It's my conviction that promoting critical thinking, rational thinking, and essentially a scientific evidence based reality, the human race would be better off. I believe humans are moving in that direction, and I support that movement.

The Darwin fish in particular is a comment about the nonsensical disbelief in evolution theory. Creation believers are pushing bad science, so it behooves those of us promoting science to address the bad science.
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What do you think would happen if you had a sign on your car saying: "I confess! I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy"

I think most people would pick up the implied but unstated meaning. But would it have a similar reaction as the Darwin Fish?
 
MontagK505 said:
What do you think would happen if you had a sign on your car saying: "I confess! I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy"

I think most people would pick up the implied but unstated meaning. But would it have a similar reaction as the Darwin Fish?
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I used to have a "gray alien" and below it a "I doubt it" sticker from Sketpical Inquirer. More than once people came up to me and said, "Cool, you like aliens too?" Talk about selective viewing.
 
Gawdzilla said:
I used to have a "gray alien" and below it a "I doubt it" sticker from Sketpical Inquirer. More than once people came up to me and said, "Cool, you like aliens too?" Talk about selective viewing.
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Ok. But you disbelieve in green aliens as well?
 
MontagK505 said:
What do you think would happen if you had a sign on your car saying: "I confess! I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy"

I think most people would pick up the implied but unstated meaning. But would it have a similar reaction as the Darwin Fish?
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No. Belief in deities is a different issue from ignoring overwhelming scientific evidence. The reactions would be categorically different.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No. Belief in deities is a different issue from ignoring overwhelming scientific evidence. The reactions would be categorically different.
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I agree, the meaning of the two signs are categorically different. But would the reactions of onlookers be categorically different?

Most Christians see the Darwin Fish as a statement of atheistic belief. A statement of disbelief in the Tooth Fairy would require more thought but it implies the same thing. If you added a list of gods to the Tooth Fairy it would be more obvious.
 
MontagK505 said:
I agree, the meaning of the two signs are categorically different. But would the reactions of onlookers be categorically different?

Most Christians see the Darwin Fish as a statement of atheistic belief. A statement of disbelief in the Tooth Fairy would require more thought but it implies the same thing. If you added a list of gods to the Tooth Fairy it would be more obvious.
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I suspect that the average fundie would need too much time to puzzle out the implications. The car would be moved somewhere else by the time they got outraged.

So the chances of getting your car's paint job keyed are probably less, but you shouldn't be surprised if you found yourself the victim of a vicious crayoning.
 
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quadraginta said:
I suspect that the average fundie would need too much time to puzzle out the implications. The car would be moved somewhere else by the time they got outraged.

So the chances of getting your car's paint job keyed are probably less, but you shouldn't be surprised if you found yourself the victim of a vicious crayoning.
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Some fundies might scratch their head wondering. Since many of them are constantly looking for evidence of sin, the word fairy would draw their attention.;)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If nothing, this thread has been enlightening as to how many people in the thread don't want to look at the evidence for discrimination against atheists.
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Who doesn't want to look at the evidence? I'm happy to look at evidence, and readily acknowledge that discrimination exists.

That discrimination is nowhere near as severe in its effects nor as pervasive in its practice as the discrimination against black people in the 1950s, and no one without an inflated persecution complex would attempt to pretend that it was. Even though isolated and sometimes egregious acts of discrimination against atheists can be cited, and the Boy Scouts and the military are still forces for systematic discrimination against both gays and atheists, atheists today do by and large enjoy equal rights under the law. The same Constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion that protects the rights of Baptists and Quakers secures the rights of atheists as well.

From what I've seen of the self-styled atheist activists in this thread, the goal is not equal treatment anyway. Who, other than a snarling misanthrope completely devoid of social skills, would think that equal treatment would be encouraged by characterizing the religious majority as stupid and evil? Martin Luther King didn't sneer "White people are my bitch" from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Gay activists didn't erect billboards saying "Heterosexuality enslaves genitalia."

Rather than trying to fight discrimination, they seem to be in a war with religion itself, employing tactics which seem deliberately calculated to alienate as many potential allies as possible among the religious majority. I can understand how those who won the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese people with arrogant abrasiveness and smug superiority might be reluctant to abandon such tactics. After all, they were smashingly successful in the 70s. Still, I can't shake this nagging feeling that there just might be a better way.
 
Gawdzilla said:
"Still, I can't shake this nagging feeling that there just might be a better way. "

Better, meaning quieter.
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Better, meaning more effective.

Of course, "effective" is obviously in terms of one's goal. I think the goal of some of the "new atheists" S.E. Cupp was criticizing (remember the OP?) is not so much to decrease discrimination as to express anger and attract attention. For that, being insulting and confrontational may be just the ticket.
 
bokonon said:
Better, meaning more effective.

Of course, "effective" is obviously in terms of one's goal. I think the goal of some of the "new atheists" S.E. Cupp was criticizing (remember the OP?) is not so much to decrease discrimination as to express anger and attract attention. For that, being insulting and confrontational may be just the ticket.
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Yep, activist atheists' goal is to make things worse. You can relate to that.
 
Gawdzilla said:
Yep, activist atheists' goal is to make things worse. You can relate to that.
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It's hard to imagine any other goal for slogans like "Religion is my bitch" or "All religion is a scam." Can you seriously imagine that such sentiments would make a religious person feel more tolerant toward members of the group expressing them?
 
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