The Skeleton Key to Mystical Interpretation

Limbo said:
I don't want a criticism free response. I want a cynicism free, intolerance free, hostility free response that is based on the OP. In general, I mean. Not pointing a finger at you.
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Stop telling us fairy stories,that would be a good start.
 
Limbo, since you cite Joseph Campbell so often it would have been nice to acknowledge the idea for "A Skeleton Key to Mystical Interpretation" is a nod to "A Skeleton Key to Finnegan's Wake", which was co-written by Campbell. Of course a couple of, uh "key" differences between the two is that the latter was written by an expert in the field of mythology and the work itself is understood by the authors as an examination of a work of fiction.

Campbell may have had some "woo" ideas in his time (e.g., an uncritical acceptance of Freud's dubious theories regarding dreams) and the famous "finding your bliss" sound-bite of his was co-opted by a lot of woolly-headed new agers, but ultimately he was a dedicated and hard-nosed scholar who understood the distinction between "reality" and "myth". This is a distinction that, alas, seems to have escaped many of his sincere but naive admirers.
 
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Limbo said:
Thanks! Do you want to talk about the nature of mystical interpretation? I think Jung might be a good place for us to start. There is a great little book called Man and his Symbols. Its written for the layperson and its simply fascinating. You won't look at religion the same way again, once you begin to understand symbolism from a mystics point of view.

What, you got something better to do?
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I'm not interested in the mystical. The mystical is woo woo. This doesn't mean I don't respect you and whats good for me may not be whats good for you. Good luck whatever choices you make but before we part company let me suggest to you that before you accept anything on blind faith please consider the alternative. The real world is just as interesting as anything you can dream up.
 
AkuManiMani said:
Limbo, stop resorting to the ignore feature so much. You're gonna need thicker skin than that if you want to make real headway here.
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I don't agree. If the skeptics use the strategy of indulging in mockery and intolerance and the 'guffaw' factor like a bunch of children, then they are going to have to accept the consequences. Not me. One of those consequences is pissing people off who then, surprise, don't want to talk to that skeptic anymore.

Oh its probably no big deal, because sooner or later most of us woo-woos leave anyway, after being subjected to X amount of JREF intolerance. But sometimes we stick around and the ignore list accumulates. Like I am. I like collecting asshats on my ignore list. If JREFers don't like it, then they can always decide to quit resorting to the asshat strategy so much. They are gonna need thicker hearts and souls if they want to make real headway with me.
 
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Limbo said:
I don't agree. If the skeptics use the strategy of indulging in mockery and intolerance and the 'guffaw' factor like a bunch of children, then they are going to have to accept the consequences. Not me. One of those consequences is pissing people off who then, surprise, don't want to talk to that skeptic anymore.

Oh its probably no big deal, because sooner or later most of us woo-woos leave anyway, after being subjected to X amount of JREF intolerance. But sometimes we stick around and the ignore list accumulates. Like I am. I like collecting asshats on my ignore list. If JREFers don't like it, then they can always decide to quit resorting to the asshat strategy so much. They are gonna need thicker hearts and souls if they want to make real headway with me.
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I have achieved gnosis,do you believe me?
 
Limbo said:
I don't agree. If the skeptics use the strategy of indulging in mockery and intolerance and the 'guffaw' factor like a bunch of children, then they are going to have to accept the consequences. Not me. One of those consequences is pissing people off who then, surprise, don't want to talk to that skeptic anymore.

Oh its probably no big deal, because sooner or later most of us woo-woos leave anyway, after being subjected to X amount of JREF intolerance. But sometimes we stick around and the ignore list accumulates. Like I am. I like collecting asshats on my ignore list. If JREFers don't like it, then they can always decide to quit resorting to the asshat strategy so much. They are gonna need thicker hearts and souls if they want to make real headway with me.
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You must have known this was liable to happen. No need to put anyone on ignore. Take them off of ignore and if they say something you don't like ignore them by not responding. I've been attacked before but I've never put anyone on ignore the whole time I've been on this forum.
 
Limbo said:
I don't agree. If the skeptics use the strategy of indulging in mockery and intolerance and the 'guffaw' factor like a bunch of children, then they are going to have to accept the consequences. Not me. One of those consequences is pissing people off who then, surprise, don't want to talk to that skeptic anymore.

Oh its probably no big deal, because sooner or later most of us woo-woos leave anyway, after being subjected to X amount of JREF intolerance. But sometimes we stick around and the ignore list accumulates. Like I am. I like collecting asshats on my ignore list. If JREFers don't like it, then they can always decide to quit resorting to the asshat strategy so much. They are gonna need thicker hearts and souls if they want to make real headway with me.
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Not everyone here is out to insult you; it just that the intellectual bullies in the forum smell weakness and they home in on you like buzzards. The best way to deal with an obstinate bully is to kick their @$$. Learn how to roll with the punches and dish some back. Like I said, this is a rough neighborhood and you need to be able to fend for yourself if you wanna survive :o
 
Cainkane1 said:
You must have known this was liable to happen. No need to put anyone on ignore. Take them off of ignore and if they say something you don't like ignore them by not responding. I've been attacked before but I've never put anyone on ignore the whole time I've been on this forum.
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From their perspective, its the same difference isn't it? No I prefer my ignore list. It keeps the threads clutter free, and it keeps the psychic stench of asshat vibe out of my face. I like that. :)
 
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AkuManiMani said:
Not everyone here is out to insult you; it just that the intellectual bullies in the forum smell weakness and they home in on you like buzzards. The best way to deal with an obstinate bully is to kick their @$$. Learn how to roll with the punches and dish some back. Like I said, this is a rough neighborhood and you need to be able to fend for yourself if you wanna survive :o
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But then we come back to a point I made earlier which is, even if I wished to I couldn't address every poster, every post. Theres too many people, too many bullies. Who gets left out?

No, my criteria is this. If I read a post, and I feel a vibe to ignore that person, I do. Let them home in on me like buzzards. Thats fine with me. If JREF wants to tolerate a cancer of buzzards slowly growing in its belly, then I will be only too happy to help it along like a Pied Piper.
 
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Limbo said:
No, my criteria is this. If I read a post, and I feel a vibe to ignore that person, I do. Let them home in on me like buzzards. Thats fine with me. If JREF wants to tolerate a cancer of buzzards slowly growing in its belly, then I will be only too happy to help it along like a Pied Piper.
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Campbell would not have approved of such a tortured mixed metaphor.
 
AkuManiMani said:
Who cares how 'tortured' a metaphor is so long as it is an apt depiction?
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When you're reading along and the subject interests you, then suddenly the author throws out a metaphor that sinks like an anvil, doesn't the point being made get slightly lost?
 
Limbo said:
But then we come back to a point I made earlier which is, even if I wished to I couldn't address every poster, every post. Theres too many people, too many bullies. Who gets left out?

No, my criteria is this. If I read a post, and I feel a vibe to ignore that person, I do. Let them home in on me like buzzards. Thats fine with me. If JREF wants to tolerate a cancer of buzzards slowly growing in its belly, then I will be only too happy to help it along like a Pied Piper.
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This isn't a playground nor is it the schoolbus or an out of control classroom full of punks. This is a forum and while there may be bullies smartalecks etc. they can't hit you or shove you or spit on you or rob you. You can ignore them without resorting to the ignore feature.

Take the people you have on ignore off and join the rest of us.
 
Limbo said:
Hello Zanders, here is a thread about mystical interpretations for you. The skeleton key to understanding mystical interpretations of sacred texts is comprised of four parts. Each part is a complex challenge and each part is necessary because so much has been lost or altered over time, as you pointed out.

I think you can probably guess what those components of the skeleton key are. Comparative mythology, comparative religion, comparative mysticism, and parapsychology. These fields need to be studied, not merely glanced at on the net. They each need to be grokked separately, and also together. Only then do they click into place, opening the mystical 'Gestalt shift' that leads to the crucial epiphany, or insight. Only then can the mystic begin to grasp the the esoteric under the exoteric, unless you are lucky and something just clicks along the way.
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So what methodology do you use to determine whether the experiences and "gestalt shift" are reflective of external reality rather than something that only takes place within the mind of the person who experiences such things?
 
Cainkane1 said:
You can ignore them without resorting to the ignore feature.
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Either way they are just as ignored. Nope, I'm a stubborn and laughing baby Buddha. If you (not you, but skeptics in general) don't like it then forfeit the opportunity to talk to the real deal, but I can't budge on my vibe or I lose my power. Don't you know anything about mystical dynamics? lol of course not.
 
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Limbo said:
Either way they are just as ignored. Nope, I'm a stubborn laughing baby Buddha. If you don't like it then forfeit the opportunity to talk to the real deal, but I can't budge on my vibe or I lose my power. Don't you know anything about mystical dynamics? lol
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You can harness negative emotions toward whatever ends you like if you remain mindful of them and learn to control them. I've emotions in me that are extremely volatile and savage but I keep them where I can see them, so to speak, so I have a certain level of mastery over how they are expressed. You don't have to run and hide from every unpleasant 'vibe' and feeling. Face them and tame them.
 
I'm slightly confused about the lack of humour Limbo is showing. Especially in a thread on a magical tradition that seems to thrive on irreverence and pragmatism.
 
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