Be a good little atheist...

Gawdzilla said:
I've been described as being mean and scornful for posting one single sentence: "What proof do you have for that?" I no longer care if anybody characterizes me in that fashion, it's absurd and an ad hom.
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You asked, so I gave you my opinion. Incidentally, there are plenty of theists who are similarly mean, scornful, degrading and demeaning of atheists as a group. I think they are equally bad.
 
Beth said:
You asked, so I gave you my opinion. Incidentally, there are plenty of theists who are similarly mean, scornful, degrading and demeaning of atheists as a group. I think they are equally bad.
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But you see, I don't worry about your opinion. That's what has kept us at the back of the bus for so long. And since most of those kind of opinions are simply ad homs and not actually behaviors on our part, the problem lies in the beholder.
 
truethat said:
No I'm sorry I'm not going to do that because some moron is getting "infuriated"

I don't preach my beliefs or try to correct others in theirs. I am however allowed in this country to express my views without being discriminated against.

I am also allowed among intelligent people to express my view that God myths are myths and humans have believed in myths since the dawn of history.

And I truly take offense at your comparison of having an unpopular view to having racist and pedophile views. Your statement is wrong and rude.

In fact your statement is infuriating. So why don't you take a bit of your own advice and not say it? Or are atheists less than regular humans in your opinion and our anger at such statements doesn't count.

Do we need to "suck it up?" If we do then please by all means do the same.
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Suck it up, buttercup. Everyone has unpopular beliefs. Not everyone broadcasts them to the world.

Tact.
 
Resume said:
You know what, I agree with your observation: mine was a poor example. But what still holds is that secularism is growing in the U.S. and those people who become "furious" at the non-religious are simply going to have to get over it, because we ain't going anywhere.
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People can become furious over just about anything. Ever have a long conversation with a truther? What's the best option, to challenge them on their loopy conspiracy beliefs or steer the conversation to other areas?
 
Malerin said:
Suck it up, buttercup. Everyone has unpopular beliefs. Not everyone broadcasts them to the world.

Tact.
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You suck it up buttercup. LMAO.

Frankly I've never met a person that acts this rude in real life.

IF you can't see the difference between telling someone that their beliefs are the equivalent to the KKK and NAMBLA and having a right to express how you feel about something without having to refer to rude insulting and ignorant uneducated comments, all you are betraying is your own failings.

Your comments here are uncalled for and rude.
 
Gawdzilla said:
But you see, I don't worry about your opinion.
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Okay. You needn't concern yourself with my opinion. The theists who behave like jerks don't care about my opinion either. Hey, you agree with the fundamentalists on something. Ain't that sweet.
That's what has kept us at the back of the bus for so long.
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Caring about my opinion has keep us at the back of the bus? Gosh, it's nice of you to think I have such power, but I have to disagree with you on that statement. People don't worry much about my opinion at all, and I don't think it's contributed to keeping atheists at the back of the bus. I don't even support that kind of discrimination, so if people actually cared what I thought, the problem wouldn't exist.

And since most of those kind of opinions are simply ad homs and not actually behaviors on our part, the problem lies in the beholder.
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I'll have to disagree with you there too. At least in your particular case.
 
Malerin said:
The implication is that atheism is an unpopular belief system. This is true. People who express unpopular beliefs tend to be unpopular. This is also true. Unpopular people tend to be discriminated against. Unfortunate and illegal, but also true.

The upshot is, if you have a belief that you know will infuriate people, best keep it to yourself, as Quad did when he was in Iraq.
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Yep, best stay on the back of the bus and enjoy the dark of the closet lest you offend bigots.
 
Gawdzilla said:
I've been described as being mean and scornful for posting one single sentence: "What proof do you have for that?" I no longer care if anybody characterizes me in that fashion, it's absurd and an ad hom.
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Amazing double standard isn't it? A theist can weave rainbows into clothes and create fairy castles and charge rent on the rooms but one little question and you're the bad guy robbing babies of their blankies.
 
Malerin said:
So Quad should tell the Iraqi mayor he's an atheist? That's your suggestion?
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Why are you mixing two different threads together? We're not talking about the mayor we're talking about not rockin' the boat in modern Western cultures. Did you read the OP?
 
Mister Agenda said:
And they will. They've been living with us forever without having to know what we really think. That's changing and they will get used to it and in a few decades the idea of discriminating against atheists in the USA will be considered bigoted and primitive.
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From your keyboard to Thor's ears. Or something like that.
 
truethat said:
Why are you mixing two different threads together? We're not talking about the mayor we're talking about not rockin' the boat in modern Western cultures. Did you read the OP?
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Not telling the Iraqi mayor is "not rocking the boat". It's just a matter of degree of how much you want to rock it.

The OP could just as well have been "Be a good little truther" or "Be a good little Christian" or "Be a good little Democrat". There's nothing unique about atheism. All beliefs are unpopular for some time/place. Religious people living in communist countries struggle with the exact same thing.

The better question is, why do some people feel compelled to inform you about their beliefs? Religious people think they're "saving" you. Why do atheists do it?
 
Malerin said:
The better question is, why do some people feel compelled to inform you about their beliefs? Religious people think they're "saving" you. Why do atheists do it?
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You've shared your rather unpopular views in this thread. Why do you do it?

Um, I'm thinking discourse, the desire to make it clear that not everyone thinks the same way, it beats watching the Tide commercial on TV, etc.
 
roger said:
You've shared your rather unpopular views in this thread. Why do you do it?
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Because it's fun and there's no consequnces. If I thought it would cost me a job (or get me kicked out of a teacher program) it wouldn't be nearly as fun. I guess my question is Why are some people compelled to tell you their beliefs even at the detriment of their job, family life, etc?

Um, I'm thinking discourse, the desire to make it clear that not everyone thinks the same way, it beats watching the Tide commercial on TV, etc.
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I think it's just ego. Some people can't stand it if they hear someone express a belief they think is wrong. They're compelled to chime in. People must know the truth! Something stupid like that. The truthers I know are almost all like this, if the conversation comes around to 9/11.
 
Malerin said:
Not telling the Iraqi mayor is "not rocking the boat". It's just a matter of degree of how much you want to rock it.

The OP could just as well have been "Be a good little truther" or "Be a good little Christian" or "Be a good little Democrat". There's nothing unique about atheism. All beliefs are unpopular for some time/place. Religious people living in communist countries struggle with the exact same thing.

The better question is, why do some people feel compelled to inform you about their beliefs? Religious people think they're "saving" you. Why do atheists do it?
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Cherry picker skills at their finest. You cut out the part of MODERN WESTERN CULTURE>

We've demonstrated in this thread that comments of Atheism usually come up after someone ELSE has informed us about THEIR religious beliefs.

I've never known an atheist to walk around bringing up the topic of religion because as Skeptic Ginger pointed out, not believing in something is not a conversation normal atheists have.

Do you go around telling people you don't believe the tooth fairy is real? Do you feel the need to tell people "By the way, just so you know, I do NOT believe in alien abduction.....just so you know."

Not believing in something never starts a conversation. But it often starts fights. Why? Because the believer who goes around shoving it down everyone elses throat thinking that they are just being "nice and normal" is the one who is starting the conversation.

What part of this is so difficult for you to understand? :boggled:
 
Sceptic Tank said:
If you truly believe that atheism isn't a faith, then why would you want a Darwin fish on the back of your car? Neither the fish nor Darwin cares.
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The Darwin fish is a statement in support of a scientific evidence based reality.
 
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