OK, so how do thermite demolitions work again?

[tempesta29]

Remember my reply to your third post with all the links? Two of which contained links to MIT physics lessons? Golly gee tempesta I guess all i can say is "Google is your friend. If you haven't read the accounts by now then you might as well find another, newer topic."

That isn't a counterargument. It's just an insulting link posting.

 

[tempesta29]

And you have zero evidence.

I hear this a lot from people like you. I have eyewitness corroboration. That is evidence. Saying I have "zero evidence" is just being dishonest. When you want to have an honest discussion, give me a shout.

 

[tempesta29]

Hmm, I watched Mythbusters try to cut a car in half with 100lbs of thermite, and it lasted for about 30 seconds. So how much thermite would you need to use to keep steel melted for 6 weeks?

Not sure, how much kerosene do you need to keep have pits of over 2000 degrees weeks after a fire started?

 

[TJM]

That isn't a counterargument. It's just an insulting link posting.

So what was it when you posted the exact words in response to me?

 

[A W Smith]

That isn't a counterargument. It's just an insulting link posting.

you did not see your own words in that quoted post?

"Google is your friend. If you haven't read the accounts by now then you might as well find another, newer topic."

Ironic

 

[triforcharity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg&feature=player_embedded#

Greg Fuchek, vice-president of sales for LinksPoint Inc., which supplied some of the computer equipment used to identify human remains at Ground Zero:


Herb Trimpe was the ground zero chaplain:


A Messenger-Inquirer report notes that firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole said that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were "dripping from the molten steel."

Wonderful. Now, show me how they can identify molten steel from molten tin, lead, or aluminum, or hell, even glass.

It certainly appears that steel melted and that it was not some other metal.

Wonderful. Now, show me how they can identify molten steel from molten tin, lead, or aluminum, or hell, even glass.

Steel beams that are molten is molten steel, just to clarify.

To an untrained eye, sure. Can you identify molten steel versus, say, molten glass?

Of course you want it to be aluminum, but it wasn't.

Speculation. How did you come to this conclusion? Show us the reasons, and back it up. No arguments from personal incredulity.

Not only do we have witnesses confirming steel beams themselves dripping molten, but molten aluminum does not glow brightly enough to even be visible until very high temperatures anyway,

False, aluminum mixed with other contaminants certainly will.

temperatures too high for an office fire.

Really? Show me the math. Show me the energy release rates. Show me the heat load for this but of information you seem to have.

And there is FAR more steel than aluminum in these construction. We were described rivers and pools of molten steel.

Wonderful. Now, show me how they can identify molten steel from molten tin, lead, or aluminum, or hell, even glass.

Also, show me the large nuggets of previously molten steel. I'll wait.

And what about WTC 7? Those fires were hardly raging.

Incorrect. There are DOZENS of accounts of huge fires raging in 7WTC, and also video and photographic evidence to back it up.

We're to believe that such a fire could even produce glowing hot aluminum? It takes about 1800 degrees to do that.

Yep. No problem there. Hydrocarbon fires generally reach 1800 deg. F quite easily.

Something tells me none of you would even question this if it didn't absolutely discredit the official story.

We would question it nonetheless, because it's false. Blatently false.

Oh, BTW, how's the math coming out? You know, the math I asked for back here?

Really? Show me the math.

PS. I love fire, and have been studying it for the better part of a decade. Please, show me the math.

Feel free to click the link for context.

 

[tempesta29]

"Appearances" can be deceiving. Could be anything with a melting point far below that of steel but heat not unusual in a fire, Could be glass, Lots of glass in the world trace centers. How would you even maintain temperatures sufficient to keep steel molten for weeks? I thought you were advocating explosives? not thermite?

Jesus Christ man. I really hoped I would come to this forum and be able to engage in intelligent and honest posting, but I have been very disappointed.

High quality glass has a melting point higher than steel, in some cases much higher. I mean, are you people really this desperate?

People saw beams melting. You're in denial.

 

[triforcharity]

Not sure, how much kerosene do you need to keep have pits of over 2000 degrees weeks after a fire started?

None whatsoever. But something in the area of 220 acres of office and other material certainly could.

 

[TJM]

Jesus Christ man. I really hoped I would come to this forum and be able to engage in intelligent and honest posting, but I have been very disappointed.

Door. Ass.

High quality glass has a melting point higher than steel, in some cases much higher.

Please show us your documentation.

People saw beams melting.

Please show us your documentation.

 

[JamesB]

Jesus Christ man. I really hoped I would come to this forum and be able to engage in intelligent and honest posting, but I have been very disappointed.

High quality glass has a melting point higher than steel, in some cases much higher. I mean, are you people really this desperate?

People saw beams melting. You're in denial.

So? Far more people saw a plane hit the Pentagon and you don't consider that evidence. And it is much easier to confuse molten aluminum for molten steel than it would be to mistake a cruise missile for a 767.

 

[triforcharity]

Jesus Christ man. I really hoped I would come to this forum and be able to engage in intelligent and honest posting, but I have been very disappointed.

High quality glass has a melting point higher than steel, in some cases much higher. I mean, are you people really this desperate?

People saw beams melting. You're in denial.

So, the only glass in the tower was high-quality?

 

[tempesta29]

So, the only glass in the tower was high-quality?

Are you suggesting that an open air office fire can melt glass?

 

[triforcharity]

Are you suggesting that an open air office fire can melt glass?

Absolutely. Wine bottles will melt at around 1300 deg. F. Pane glass will melt at around 1600 deg. F.

Do you have something that says otherwise? Like, maybe some MATH???

 

[tempesta29]

So? Far more people saw a plane hit the Pentagon and you don't consider that evidence. And it is much easier to confuse molten aluminum for molten steel than it would be to mistake a cruise missile for a 767.

Straw man. Please quote my ever discussing a "cruise missile". I'm still waiting for someone to adequately represent the spirit of this forum. It's been nothing but filthy so far.

 

[tempesta29]

Door. Ass.

Please show us your documentation.

Please show us your documentation.

You're asking for documentation of people seeing beams melting? I just cited them.

You've demonstrated nothing but a lack of respect. You're on ignore.

 

[332nd]

Jesus Christ man. I really hoped I would come to this forum and be able to engage in intelligent and honest posting, but I have been very disappointed.

High quality glass has a melting point higher than steel, in some cases much higher. I mean, are you people really this desperate?

People saw beams melting. You're in denial.

They also heard trains, saw Satan's face in the smoke, heard that the Washington Monument was hit, saw a UFO casing the WTC before 9/11... could they have been mistaken?

 

[JamesB]

Well given your evasiveness and lack of honesty, what do you expect?

I will give you a chance to redeem yourself then and show some intellectual consistency and turn it into a question.

Do you then consider the larger number of witnesses to a plane crashing into the Pentagon to be evidence of the fact that AA77 hit the pentagon?

 

[triforcharity]

You're asking for documentation of people seeing beams melting? I just cited them.

You've demonstrated nothing but a lack of respect. You're on ignore.

And who are you that we are just supposed to respect you, when you come in here bouncing off the walls, bitching and complaining about how we do things around here, calling other posters obnoxious, and rude, and any of a dozen other names.

You have presentend NOTHING. You have argued with people who are 100Xs more qualified than youself on engineering, physics, and fire science. You have called us wrong. We have showed you time and time again, why you are wrong.

You still don't believe any of us. Not one. Nor do you believe the links that we post, because, well, who the **** knows why. Most likely, because it's hurts your feelings.

Now, if you want to discuss engineering and fire science, please do so. But, do so with a slightly different approach. Stop being elusive, and stop be obtuse.

 

[TJM]

You're asking for documentation of people seeing beams melting? I just cited them.

No, no you haven't. You've posted a youtube video. Not surprising at all that you don't know the difference.

You've demonstrated nothing but a lack of respect. You're on ignore.

That's fine, it's usually what dishonest people do when they're backed into a corner with no idea how to get out of it. I'll take it as a compliment.

 

[A W Smith]

Jesus Christ man. I really hoped I would come to this forum and be able to engage in intelligent and honest posting, but I have been very disappointed.

High quality glass has a melting point higher than steel, in some cases much higher. I mean, are you people really this desperate?

People saw beams melting. You're in denial.

http://www.lenntech.com/glass.htm

Types of glass and market application

The main types of glass are described below:

Commercial glass or Soda-lime glass: This is the most common commercial glass and less expensive. The composition of soda-lime glass is normally 60-75% silica, 12-18% soda, and 5-12% lime. A low percentage of other materials can be added for specific properties such as coloring.
- It has light transmission appropriate to be use in flat glass in windows;
- It has a smooth and nonporous surface that allows glass bottles and packaging glass to be easily cleaned;
- Soda-lime glass containers are virtually inert, resistant to chemical attack from aqueous solutions so they will not contaminate the contents inside or affect the taste.
Whereas pure glass SiO2 does not absorb UV light, soda-lime glass does not allow light at a wavelength of lower than 400 nm (UV light) to pass.
The disadvantages of soda-lime glass is that is not resistant to high temperatures and sudden thermal changes. For example, everybody has experienced a glass breaking down when pouring liquid at high temperature, for example to make tea.
Some of the use of soda-lime glass is primarily used for bottles, jars, everyday drinking glasses, and window glass.

Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/glass.htm#ixzz19Th5XFDr​

2. Soda ash (sodium carbonate Na2CO3)
Normally SiO2 softens up to 2000°C, where it starts to degrade (at 1713°C most of the molecules can already move freely). Adding soda will lower the melting point to 1000°C making it more manageable.
Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/glass.htm#ixzz19ThQcbqT​