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Popular Mechanics: 500,000 scholars?

adkinsjr

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I heard this claim in a video mocking the 9/11 "truth" cult:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzIbOYaSy8

I was skeptical of this one, even though the video is hilarious and I hate the cult, 500,000 sounds like a lot of people to sign a petition. :jaw-dropp

The claim is made around 5:20.

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adkinsjr said:
I heard this claim in a video mocking the 9/11 "truth" cult:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYzIbOYaSy8

I was skeptical of this one, even though the video is hilarious and I hate the cult, 500,000 sounds like a lot of people to sign a petition. :jaw-dropp

The claim is made around 5:20.

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I can't remember ever hearing them make this claim (and a quick search reveals nothing). What makes you think this (actually) was a signed petition?
 
I can't remember ever hearing them make this claim (and a quick search reveals nothing).
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Same here...

DGM said:
What makes you think this (actually) was a signed petition?
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True, the vid said 500,000 other scholars and popular mechanics magazine, which doesn't necessarily mean they signed a petition. Still, in order to make such a claim you'd have to have some sort of verification that these people disagree with the cult. I don't see how else you could obtain that proof without some kind of petition.
 
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adkinsjr said:
True, the vid said 500,000 other scholars and popular mechanics magazine, which doesn't necessarily mean they signed a petition. Still, in order to make such a claim you'd have to have some sort of verification that these people disagree with the cult. I don't see how else you could obtain that proof without some kind of petition.
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On YouTube??????????


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This is the same fallacy that is used on this sub forum all the time. There are X amount of structural engineers. Only Y have signed a petition for a new investigation; therefore, the remainder do not support the petition.

This fallacious thinking does not take into consideration that the remainded have not investigated the details or are even aware of any such petition.
 
RedIbis said:
This is the same fallacy that is used on this sub forum all the time. There are X amount of structural engineers. Only Y have signed a petition for a new investigation; therefore, the remainder do not support the petition.

This fallacious thinking does not take into consideration that the remainded have not investigated the details or are even aware of any such petition.
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Is it your contention that the structural engineering world is un-aware of the collapses and the NIST reports?
 
DGM said:
Is it your contention that the structural engineering world is un-aware of the collapses and the NIST reports?
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That's not what I said.

You changed 'details' to 'collapses' and 'petition' to 'NIST reports.'

Regardless, you cannot assume that the remainder read the NIST reports or have even studied the collapses beyond what they saw on TV.

Well, I suppose you can assume it since that's exactly what you'll do, but it's fallacious all the same.
 
RedIbis said:
That's not what I said.

You changed 'details' to 'collapses' and 'petition' to 'NIST reports.'

Regardless, you cannot assume that the remainder read the NIST reports or have even studied the collapses beyond what they saw on TV.

Well, I suppose you can assume it since that's exactly what you'll do, but it's fallacious all the same.
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What I'm saying is we're being told by laymen that the collapses are obvious. These opinions are backed up by the "experts" at AE 911. Why have so few SE's noticed what we're being told is "obviously" a CD?
 
RedIbis said:
This is the same fallacy that is used on this sub forum all the time. There are X amount of structural engineers. Only Y have signed a petition for a new investigation; therefore, the remainder do not support the petition.

This fallacious thinking does not take into consideration that the remainded have not investigated the details or are even aware of any such petition.
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It's the same fallacious thinking that does not take into consideration that most of the 1400 have not investigated the (true) details. They merely filled out a form.

In fact, 0 (zero) of the A&E who filled out that form have investigated the details to such an extent that they could publish about them in a real peer-reviewed journal of any relevant profession or field of study.
 
DGM said:
Why have so few SE's noticed what we're being told is "obviously" a CD?
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Because in TrutherLandTM no one in the structural engineering community was much interested in the collapses, and deferred to What They Were Told By The Government.
 
Oystein said:
It's the same fallacious thinking that does not take into consideration that most of the 1400 have not investigated the (true) details. They merely filled out a form.
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How do you know this? Did you interview all 1400 of them?
 
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How do you know this? Did you interview all 1400 of them?
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Because not a single one of them has published anything on the subject.

I guess they just don't think it's very important.
 
RedIbis said:
This is the same fallacy that is used on this sub forum all the time. There are X amount of structural engineers. Only Y have signed a petition for a new investigation; therefore, the remainder do not support the petition.

This fallacious thinking does not take into consideration that the remainded have not investigated the details or are even aware of any such petition.
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Yeah I can hardly believe that only 3 NY structural Professional Engineers (PE's) have signed the petition out of eight thousand registered; and two of these let their license expire. You would have thought that engineers from New York would have cared enough to have investigated.

And as for Building 7, then I am sure most structural engineers in America will have turned off their television as soon as the North Tower collapsed. Because after you have seen two of the tallest buildings in the world collapse it would be hardly worth watching a 47 story tower collapse. That's why we have so little support.
 
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And as for Building 7, then I am sure most structural engineers in America will have turned off their television as soon as the North Tower collapsed. Because after you have seen two of the tallest buildings in the world collapse it would be hardly worth watching a 47 story tower collapse. That's why we have so little support.
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Yea. That's why. :rolleyes:
 
DGM said:
What I'm saying is we're being told by laymen that the collapses are obvious. These opinions are backed up by the "experts" at AE 911. Why have so few SE's noticed what we're being told is "obviously" a CD?
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Because it's obviously not a CD. There are always so-called "experts" to support just about anything, no matter how preposterous, including the literal interpretation of genesis.

http://creationwiki.org/Creation_scientist
 
RedIbis said:
This fallacious thinking does not take into consideration that the remainded have not investigated the details or are even aware of any such petition.
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For the sake of argument, let's assume you're right, and that most scientific minds have simply not heard the alternate theories behind 9-11.

Whose fault is that?

You and your lot have produced almost a decade's worth of books, movies, talk radio, mainstream news coverage, petitions, public events, congressional candidates, infomercials, black t-shirts, unapproved billboards, illicit PA announcements at Wal-Mart, and Internet posts. A decade's worth, Red. Why would a group of educated people not be aware of scientific inquiries into the biggest event in their lifetimes? Especially when the "official story" can be disproven with grade-school physics, as you Truthers so often claim?

Red, if you honestly think the lack of interest is because people aren't aware of the theories, then you must admit that 9-11 Truth is a bigger marketing failure than New Coke, the Edsel, and AYDS appetite suppressant combined.
 
Funny video... I think what he's saying about the 500,000 scholars is what Red Ibis said most likely. There's 500 'Scholars for 9/11 Truth', so he's saying that the rest are not on 'the side of truth'. I wouldn't take that video too seriously. He's making fun of 'Truthers' and their wacko ideas.

Also, there are some good shots of WTC7 in that video. Around the 4:13 mark, I believe. It clearly show just how close it was to 1 & 2. If people can't wrap their heads around the fact that 7 collapsed cause it got mauled by the Towers crumbling, then they are beyond help.

I thought the guy did a good job at making the truther arguments sound as goofy as they are.
 
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