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Someone please call them to explain a 'red-shift'

Jack by the hedge said:
Can you direct me to the particular part where you and Newton passed light through a prism and increased its wavelength? Thanks.
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nope......

You think increasing wavelength is blue shift?
Uh. Thanks, but no thanks.
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it is an anology i found on a site regarding the opposite of a redshift (ie... if a galaxy was moving towards the telescope versus away from (expanding)).


I already know how a transformer can convert electromagnetic waves. Even a basic transmitting crystal of a kids toys converts a signal to em (higher frequency; oooosually fm)

ie... this computer and your wireless is using the technology of 'shifting' if that is what you like to call it.

Perhaps learn a little about how light works before trying to think you know the universe is moving aorund real fast.

put your feet back on the ground
 
drkitten said:
From most sources, an infinite number -- the frequency spectrum is a continuum. For that reason, questions like :



don't really make sense, as both 'red' and 'blue' come in several shades,
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that is a rediculous claim as a reason to not answer the questions.
i know the f and a are related inversely. ie.... greater wavelength, lower frequency...... greater spacial, smaller concentration (density). (a part you dont know)

my point to sol, was you can't change the color without affecting the wavelength/frequency.
But in general, the wavelength of violet light (in vacuum) is "around" 400 nm; the wavelength of blue light is "around" 475 nm, and the wavelength for red "around" 650. You can calculate the actual frequency by dividing the speed of light by the wavelength.

You end up with around 450 THz for red, and 650 THz for blue.
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and your point is?

i know the two are related, which means, if the redshift is occuring, it is because mass is causing it.



The actual frequency has shifted via spatial expansion; the effect is similar to the frequency shift involved in the Doppler effect of sound.
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sound is upon mass

what is the medium that the light is 'riding on' to cause the same affect?

no aether and the concept of space/time expansion is hypothetical. (no such proof)

but i can change light (em) to both redshift or blue shift with mass, any day of the week.

heck you shifting in your seat right now because of light
 
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Bishadi said:
i can change light (em) to both redshift or blue shift with mass, any day of the week.
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You can pass light through a medium where the speed of light is reduced and that will lead to a change of wavelength, but only while the light is passing through that medium and it will not change the frequency (i.e. the colour).

When the light has passed through the medium and arrives at whatever detector you are using, there will be no redshift or blueshift.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
How does that agree with your previous assertion that an increase in wavelength was a blue shift?
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hang on..........

Newton 'increased its wavelength' (per se slowed the light) by the prism. The light was changed by mass.

You twisting up words............. your question was:

Can you direct me to the particular part where you and Newton passed light through a prism and increased its wavelength? Thanks.



i think i said; NOPE!
 
Jack by the hedge said:
You can pass light through a medium where the speed of light is reduced and that will lead to a change of wavelength, but only while the light is passing through that medium and it will not change the frequency (i.e. the colour).
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attaboy.....

mass does it.

lots of mass in the universe between us and them far away galaxies.

with that comprehension you dont have to claim them glaxies are moving away from us to cause that redshift (lie about something, that no one knows)

When the light has passed through the medium and arrives at whatever detector you are using, there will be no redshift or blueshift.
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if them far away galaxies are shining the light thru the hole in the door, if i put a prism up between that light and the telescope i could say, "look mr hubble the galaxy is moving away.... see the red? and now right at us, real fast.... see the blue' (just by moving the prism and giving the telescope what light comes out the other side of the prism; blue, red, green, (and laughing the whole time)


my point is, the likihood that the farther away the galaxy is, the more mass between us and the light (lots of shifting), versus believing, 'that galaxy is moving faster, than da utter 1"

heck, the op points out that with hydrogen in between us and them, the blue is taken out (like a prism, with a line thru it).

ie... mass is doing the deed, not speed
 
Bishadi said:
if them far away galaxies are shining the light thru the hole in the door, if i put a prism up between that light and the telescope i could say, "look mr hubble the galaxy is moving away.... see the red? and now right at us, real fast.... see the blue' (just by moving the prism and giving the telescope what light comes out the other side of the prism; blue, red, green, (and laughing the whole time)
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If there was a prism between us and a distant galaxy, we would see a rainbow image of the galaxy smeared across the sky. We see no such thing.

But there's no need to think about that. The redshift to distant galaxies is determined by emission or absorption lines in the spectrum. Those lines have known frequencies (known from both theory and experiment). But when we take a spectrum of a distant galaxy, we see that the lines (i.e. spikes in a plot of intensity versus frequency) are all shifted down in redshift by exactly the same amount.

A prism cannot do that, because - as we've just been through - it has no effect on frequency. In fact no known material can do anything like that. On the other hand, that's exactly what Doppler shift does, and that's exactly what expanding space does.
 
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Bishadi said:
if them far away galaxies are shining the light thru the hole in the door, if i put a prism up between that light and the telescope i could say, "look mr hubble the galaxy is moving away.... see the red? and now right at us, real fast.... see the blue' (just by moving the prism and giving the telescope what light comes out the other side of the prism; blue, red, green, (and laughing the whole time)
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And Mr Hubble would likely respond "Do you think I'm completely retarded, son? I'm looking for red shift of emission lines, to demonstrate that light which started out at one particular frequency has now shifted to another frequency, and if you look at the emission lines in the light coming through your prism, you'll see that it has had absolutely no effect on that whatsoever."
 
temporalillusion said:
A lot better agreed!

What happens when you pass blue light through a prism Bishadi?
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This is the newton/goethe line.

IN newtononia, the prism is irrelevant. In goethe, the prism is directly affecting the emission (spectral emission of mass).

So to identify a single wavelength (blue; not a range), then the mass is directly relevant. ie.... try a blue thru a water prism versus silicon..... there is a threshold wavelength for mass (elements/molecules) in which an absorbtion and reemission/conversion is realized for most all mass. The mass will emit in all directions versus maintaining the vector and angle of contact. Think of how a glass window at some angles reflects an image yet transparent at another angle. The wavelength and angle are quite important when mass is exposed to em.

look up dispersion, refraction.... and definitely look up the old goethe/newton conflict on light.... most never even are exposed to this line in the dirt between the discipline.

I like goethe as he is like me, a romantic (practical application to phenomenon in which we are a part of the data collection/evidence; we are the best 'apparatus', to detect material evidence)
 
Bishadi said:
This is the newton/goethe line.

IN newtononia, the prism is irrelevant. In goethe, the prism is directly affecting the emission (spectral emission of mass).

So to identify a single wavelength (blue; not a range), then the mass is directly relevant. ie.... try a blue thru a water prism versus silicon..... there is a threshold wavelength for mass (elements/molecules) in which an absorbtion and reemission/conversion is realized for most all mass. The mass will emit in all directions versus maintaining the vector and angle of contact. Think of how a glass window at some angles reflects an image yet transparent at another angle. The wavelength and angle are quite important when mass is exposed to em.

look up dispersion, refraction.... and definitely look up the old goethe/newton conflict on light.... most never even are exposed to this line in the dirt between the discipline.

I like goethe as he is like me, a romantic (practical application to phenomenon in which we are a part of the data collection/evidence; we are the best 'apparatus', to detect material evidence)
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