Who started both World Wars?

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Oh 9/11 one of the key parts of military strategy is: as endorsed by Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Napoleon, Frederick, Gustavus and a few others is, and I paraphrase, 'Don't attack people who can kill you'.

Attacking people who can defeat you is nice in a knightly way but stupid beyond belief.

Hitler made that amateur mistake and paid for it. Kind of a dense dude wasn't he?

December 13, 2010: For the first time since World War II (and over four years of German occupation), a German combat unit has been stationed in France. The German 291st Infantry Battalion, part of the 6,000 strong Franco-German brigade has moved into a base in eastern France. The Franco-German brigade was set up at the end of the Cold War, in 1987, as a symbol of growing French-German unity, and dedication to mutual defense. But until now, none of the German units were ever based in France. French units were often based in Germany, which was not unique. At the end of World War II in 1945, French units occupied part of Germany until the 1955. The Franco-German brigade now part of a more recent multi-national military organization; Euro Corps (founded in 1992).
 
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Czech independence was an Anglo invention in Versailles, it had never been independent before, this Habsburgian entity.

Another 9/11 essay on historical stupidity: he states, or more probably was told to believe the above.

The Přemyslids were a Czech royal dynasty which reigned in Bohemia and Moravia (9th century–1306), and partly also in Hungary, Silesia, Austria and Poland.

Hey what is four centuries to a historian of the caliber of 9/11 stance? LOL
Actually he probably knew about it but he just loves to lie, lie and lie some more.


Nein 11 never heard of the Bohemian (Czech) revolt against Hapsburg rule in 1618,(which stated the 30 Years War) apparently.
He has also said similiar things about how Poland as an Independent state was the creation of the Allies at Versailles.
Maybe the marraige of the Czechs and the Slovaks was a mistake, but that is totally different then saying the Czechs had no history of wanting independence.
 
Except that the warning stated that all forces in the Pacific should be on alert.
Which puts lie to your claim that Hawaii wasn't warned. Because it was, along with all other US bases.

Short was wrong. He made a mistake assuming that the Japanese would not strike at Pearl Harbour, but he also failed to place his command on a sufficiently alert footing. You can't have it both ways. Short can't both have been informed to be on alert (and failed) and also not be informed (and therefore a scapegoat).

Slowly, alert is not equal to warning...

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=103

1) did the US want war?
2) did Roosevelt knew PH was going to be attacked?

1) YES. Proof: Stimson's diary; the cabinet members were openly discussing how to maneuver Japan in firing the first shots. America felt strong and wanted to catapult itself into world hegemony. And the only way to achieve that was over the dead corps of Europe, who was hegemonous at the time. Congress was the main stumbling block to achieve the desired goal.

2) YES.

The latter question was answered in the affirmative on October 30, 2000, when President Bill Clinton signed into law, with the support of a bipartisan Congress, the National Defense Authorization Act. Amidst its omnibus provisions, the Act reverses the findings of nine previous Pearl Harbor investigations and finds that both Kimmel and Short were denied crucial military intelligence that tracked the Japanese forces toward Hawaii and obtained by the Roosevelt Administration in the weeks before the attack.

Congress was specific in its finding against the 1941 White House: Kimmel and Short were cut off from the intelligence pipeline that located Japanese forces advancing on Hawaii. Then, after the successful Japanese raid, both commanders were relieved of their commands, blamed for failing to ward off the attack, and demoted in rank...

President Clinton must now decide whether to grant the request by Congress to restore the commanders to their 1941 ranks.

Can be seen as a late revenge by Congress, fooled by Roosevelt.

Not even the US government wants to uphold the lie that PH was a 'surprise attack', unlike certain elements of the ultra-orthodox JREF polit bureau faction.

Then comes a new revelation, for me also:

However, Germany made a strategic error. She, along with her Axis partner, Italy, signed the mutual assistance treaty with Japan, the Tripartite Pact, on September 27, 1940. Ten days later, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum, a U.S. Naval officer in the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), saw an opportunity to counter the U.S. isolationist movement by provoking Japan into a state of war with the U.S., triggering the mutual assistance provisions of the Tripartite Pact, and bringing America into World War II.

Memorialized in McCollum’s secret memo dated October 7, 1940, and recently obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, the ONI proposal called for eight provocations aimed at Japan. Its centerpiece was keeping the might of the U.S. Fleet based in the Territory of Hawaii as a lure for a Japanese attack.

The US made use of an agreement between Germany and Japan to maneuver themselves into war with Germany via Japan, an option not possible before the signing of the German-Japanese agreement.

There were some decent men in the military who opposed the devious Jew Roosevelt:

In a heated argument with FDR, the admiral objected to placing his sailors and ships in harm’s way. Richardson was then fired and in his place FDR selected an obscure naval officer, Rear Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, to command the fleet in Hawaii.

The American government knew everything, in particular the attack on PH 11 months in advance:

Throughout 1941, FDR implemented the remaining seven provocations. He then gauged Japanese reaction through intercepted and decoded communications intelligence originated by Japan’s diplomatic and military leaders.

The island nation’s militarists used the provocations to seize control of Japan and organized their military forces for war against the U.S., Great Britain, and the Netherlands. The centerpiece—the Pearl Harbor attack—was leaked to the U.S. in January 1941. During the next 11 months, the White House followed the Japanese war plans through the intercepted and decoded diplomatic and military communications intelligence.

Indeed, Kimmel was 'alerted':

The intercept summaries were clear: Pearl Harbor would be attacked on December 7, 1941, by Japanese forces advancing through the Central and North Pacific Oceans. On November 27 and 28, 1941, Admiral Kimmel and General Short were ordered to remain in a defensive posture for “the United States desires that Japan commit the first overt act.” The order came directly from President Roosevelt.

P.S. new tapes from Nixon released. Nixon on Jews:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/politics/11nixon.html?_r=3&hp

The Jews are just a very aggressive and abrasive and obnoxious personality.

No surprises here.
 
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2) did Roosevelt knew PH was going to be attacked?


2) YES.

You have not provided one shred of proof for this. Nothing. Did the USA and Roosevelt think an attack was imminent? Yes. Did they know it was Pearl Harbor? No. The Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor was undetected by the US Navy.


The American government knew everything, in particular the attack on PH 11 months in advance:

Since the attack wasn't approved until Summer 1941, you are implying the American government could see the future. Or you're ignoring all facts and just making things up. Again.


P.S. new tapes from Nixon released. Nixon on Jews:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/us/politics/11nixon.html?_r=3&hp



No surprises here.

What relevance does that have to World War II?
 
You have not provided one shred of proof for this. Nothing. Did the USA and Roosevelt think an attack was imminent? Yes. Did they know it was Pearl Harbor? No. The Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor was undetected by the US Navy.

May I ask you what 'Magic' means to you in the context of PH?

What relevance does that have to World War II?

Agressive, abrasive, obnoxious... perfect description of warmongering Roosevelt.
 
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May I ask you what 'Magic' means to you in the context of PH?

Yes, I know that the USA had cracked the Japanese cipher. The Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor was on radio silence, and the Japanese never transmitted their plans where the USA could intercept them. You did know that, right?
 
May I ask you what 'Magic' means to you in the context of PH?

Stop answering questions with a question. It's indicative of dishonesty to never answer anything.

Now, as you have yet to provide any proof that Roosevelt knew PH was about to be attacked, could you admit that this is an unsubstantiated belief that you have, not shared by most rational people?


Agressive, abrasive, obnoxious... perfect description of warmongering Roosevelt.

In your opinion, which, as we have already established, does not matter, you being a Nazi and all.
 
Yes, I know that the USA had cracked the Japanese cipher. The Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor was on radio silence, and the Japanese never transmitted their plans where the USA could intercept them. You did know that, right?

Actually, the US hadn't completely cracked the Japanese naval cipher. They could read bits and parts, but not all of it. The Japanese diplomatic cipher was read, though.
 
Got to hand it to you, 9/11. You keep on plugging even though your version of history is totally rejected not just by JREF, but by any respected historian on Earth.

Bravo.
 
Yes, I know that the USA had cracked the Japanese cipher.

Excellent, you did not disappoint me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_(cipher_machine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(cryptography)

The Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor was on radio silence, and the Japanese never transmitted their plans where the USA could intercept them. You did know that, right?

Not so fast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLbwXGse12w&NR=1
Translation from German:

In August 1940 American decrypters were able to break an important code (purple code) Mid 1941 the Americans were able to read the messages between the Japanese foreign ministery and Japanese ambassies. Code name Magic...

During the Atlantic Conference August 14, 1941, Roosevelt promised Churchill that the US would soon enter war in Asia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWmkXm9z9Oc&NR=1
November 5 cable from Japanese FM to amb. that 25 November was the dead line. This msg was also intercepted by the Americans. It was obvious that a war would start after November 25.

On November 21 last offer to State Department. Content: 6 month truce to come to an allcompassing solution. Again offer to cancel Tripartite Pact with Berlin and Rome. Next day message to Japanese negotiators that deadline had postponed for 4 days (November 29) but that after that events would follow automatically. Msg again intercepted by Americans. November 25 Japanese naval units coursed for Pearl Harbor.

November 25, meeting in the White House between Roosevelt, Hull, Stark, Marshall, Stimson. All knew that November 29 was the dead line. Stimson wrote in his diary that Roosevelt had said that the US probably would be attacked, maybe already next Monday. The Japanese are notorious for surprise attacks. The question was how we could manouver them in a position that they shoot first, without endangering ourselves too much...

Jan 1941 Yamamoto started to draw the first plans for a surprise attack on PH. PH was only part of a larger strategic plan. The July 1941 oil embarbo forced the Japanese to capture the Dutch East Indies. US and UK diplomats had already told the Japanese that such a move would mean war. A Japanese assault would be threatened in the flank by the Pacific fleet. Hence the decision to attack PH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDkt9l2jRGw&NR=1
Kimmel and Short were hardly informed about the political situation by Washington. They knew nothing about Magic. They got no warning. Instead they were summoned to send away 2 aircraft carriers Enterprise and Lexington on November 27 to the islands of Wake and Midway, with the task of transporting airplanes to those locations. In this way the rest of the fleet was deprived of it’s strongest means of protection...

October 1940 Americans had also succeeded in breaking the code of Kaigun. Despite that Yamamoto had ordered strict radio silence several Japanese ships communicated encrypted their positions. This data was captured in Hawaii, Seatlle and other American locations (4:10). The American leadership was complete aware of what was coming...

December 6, 10:40, Roosevelt received a msg from American ambassador in London that 2 Japanese naval units, as observed by the British, had crossed the line that should trigger action as agreed upon with the British and the Dutch (ABCD). This meant that the US, UK and The Netherlands were at war, even before one shot was fired.

Roosevelt was now in a precarious situation (9:35). He was at war on the basis of a secret agreement, wothout knowledge, let alone aprovement of Congress. A huge scandal now threatened to occur, unless of course if the Japanese would fire the first shot. For this reason alone PH could not be warned. Because that would have meant big alarm and ships sailing out of the harbor...

Outbreak of the war was only a matter of hours. On December 7, the Japanese ambassy received the instruction to hand over a declaration of war on 13:00 Washington time to the state department. Leading officers who intercepted the message had little doubt that Pearl Harbor would be the target. They advised Stark to warn Hawaii (3:10). Stark said that he needed the permission of Marshall. Marshall however could not be reached, he was on a trip that lasted two-and-a-half hours. When Marshall returned and read the msg he wrote a very general phrased warning to general Short. He used a commercial RCA radio connection rather than military lines. Every sense of urgency was ommited. The result was that the ‘warning’ reached Hawaii 7 hours after the attack. We can assume that the delay was deliberate.
 
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In order to do justice to the new won knowledge I decided to reserve the name:

waroneurope.blogspot.com

It serves my political purposes better.

Would make for a nice book title:

War on Europe

How the USA and USSR, in a combined action, managed to deliberately destroy Europe.
 
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Got to hand it to you, 9/11. You keep on plugging even though your version of history is totally rejected not just by JREF, but by any respected historian on Earth.

Bravo.

Until 1989, every 'respected' historian from Eastern Europe would support the notion that Katyn Forest was done by the Germans.

So what can we learn about these 'respected historians'?

That they are cowards and basically tell what their governments want to hear, who after all pay these historians.

You really think western historians are different? Historians telling the wrong stories are locked up in the west as well.

I am tired of the old stories, so I construct a new one.
The old order is going to melt away anyway.
 
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I am tired of the old stories, so I construct a new one.

That's the problem with so called "revisionism". The "old stories" have loads of evidence supporting them. Your story is rectally extracted.

Thanks for admitting that you know your narrative is full of bull crap, though.

The old order is going to melt away anyway.

So you keep saying, like the mad doom sayer at the street corner.
 
Until 1989, every respected historian from Eastern Europe would support the notion that Katyn Forest was done by the Germans.

Really???? according to who.......Cause I can recall doubts about the Kyaten massacre being raised in the early 70's - Given I was only 10 at time, those doubts could have extended all the way back to the 50's
 
Really???? according to who.......Cause I can recall doubts about the Kyaten massacre being raised in the early 70's - Given I was only 10 at time, those doubts could have extended all the way back to the 50's

I am talking about Eastern European historians and their official books/articles.
Rest assured they kept their mouths shut.
It was Gorbatchev who first spilled the beans.
Glasnost and stuff.
 
I am talking about Eastern European historians and their official books/articles.
Rest assured they kept their mouths shut.
It was Gorbatchev who first spilled the beans.
Glasnost and stuff.

Oh really? How many Eastern European historians claiming the Soviets were behind the Katyn Forest Massacre before 1989 do I have to produce for you to admit you are wrong about this?

1?

3?

5?

How many?
 
In order to do justice to the new won knowledge I decided to reserve the name:

waroneurope.blogspot.com

It serves my political purposes better.

Would make for a nice book title:

War on Europe

How the USA and USSR, in a combined action, managed to deliberately destroy Europe.

Yeah, Germany and Italy had nothing to do with it.
Do you realize how few people share you demented views, and that they are regarded by 99% of the people in Europe as total crackpots?
 
Yeah, Germany and Italy had nothing to do with it.
Do you realize how few people share you demented views, and that they are regarded by 99% of the people in Europe as total crackpots?

You really want to suggest that '99% of the people of Europe' has spend anything like the time on this subject like we here have? Of course not. 'The masses' sit in the cinema, thumb in mouth, and watch Schindler List. Gimme a break.
We have learned the following so far:

- Roosevelt was looking for war with Germany ever since 1933; Congress was the main stumbling block. As soon as Germany and Japan signed their treaty Roosevelt knew that this was his chance to get his desired war. The US wanted war with Germany, Germany did not look for war with the US, or Britain or the USSR. Hitler did all he could to get Danzig back, was even prepared to make concession, namely accept Posen to be Polish, what Weimar governments never had done. The Poles did not give in because they were led to believe that the Anglos would come to their aid. But these liars only used Poland to get into war with Germany and gladly handed stupid Poland over to the Soviets after the war.
- Hitler merely wanted to restore Germany as a great power, but his nationalist beliefs limited his desire for territorial expansion. He basically wanted to unite all Germans in one Reich and not much else. Oh yes, and get rid of die Weltpest (world plague), the Jews.
- Britains main motive was mindless Germanophobia. There is nothing wrong with fighting a competitor, but it is very stupid to fight smaller guys, if two larger guys with evil intent are waiting behind your back until the smaller guys have beaten each other to pulp. The Brits were the only ones who acted outright stupid and let a foreign traitor at the helm of their ship of state destroy their proud empire and hand over the keys to the Americans. It is incredible that the British choose this hooligan as the Brit of the century.
- And then there was the USSR, the big massmurdering pall of the Americans. At no point did the Soviets and Americans obstruct each other. The first thing Roosevelt did in 1933 was recognizing this terrorist state. It was America (enterprises, not gov., via Jewish networking) who had armed the USSR until 1931. The USSR had world revolutionary goals and acted upon them. The old Leninist strategy was to let the european powers go at each others throat and Britain was so kind to do them the favour. That was the reason behind the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, to stimulate Germany to get Danzig back the hard way. The secret annex of division of Poland was the idea of Stalin, not Hitler! When the USSR invaded Poland as well, 2 weeks after Germany did and took the eastern half, Britain sanctimoniously did not declare war on the USSR as it had done on Germany. The war garantee was never about Poland but an attempt to contain Germany. Less than a year after the war declaration Churchill pushed for end of the phoney war and start real action in Norway, together with France. That prompted the Germans for a reaction and at blitz speed overrun France and the rest of western Europe, much to the dismay of Stalin, who had hoped that Germany would be much more damaged. The war was over in 6 weeks. Stalin prepared for an assault on Europe anyway and this was to be done at July 10, 1941. Germany found out about it and was forced to desperately preempt this attack. From the notes from Nuremberg judge Jackson we know that the alllies had no case against the Germans, that the Germans felt that they were surrounded on all sides, as became clear from German internal documents.

The one thing that is missing, is that I would not be surprised at all if the Americans and Soviets, who acted like allies from the beginning, had coordinated their assault on Europe since 1933.

The war was forced upon Germany by Britain, by France, by the US and by the USSR. It all started with the British war declaration that was pushed onto Chamberlain by the Jewish funded Focus group, with Churchill as their figure head. In essence WW2 was a war launched by the Jews on Germany and Europe.
 
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