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Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Withnail1969 said:
The documented fact is that Amanda told the police Filomena was supplying her with weed. After that point, Filomena was determined to destroy Amanda because that could have wrecked her legal career.
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Proof? Cite? Comeon Withnail, that is just an assumption
 
Solange305 said:
Amanda basically admitted in court that she had said Meredith locked her door, if Im not mistaken. Are you saying that she said something different but was misunderstood?
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Meredith probably did lock her door when she was out during the day. Maybe not in the evenings. Why does it always have to be 'she did one thing at one time so she did it forever all the time?'
 
Withnail1969 said:
Mole already whacked. Wrong toilet, wrong bathroom.
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Didn't I say if I hear mole or wacked anymore I would shove a pencil in my ear? Can we pick a new phrase at least?

Anyway, I remember her saying that she went to Filomena's bathroom to get her hairdryer, I think at first I thought she dried her hair in that bathroom (the turd bathroom), but I guess what actually happened is she went back to her own bathroom to dry her hair?

I still would have flushed it if I saw it, even if I didnt plan on staying in there long. However, Dan O. I think said she may not have seen it when she went in the first time. But doesn't she tell Raffaele she saw it when she was in the house showering? Anyway, I still stand by what I say, I still would have flushed it, but it's not AS suspicious if she indeed didnt dry her hair in there...
 
halides1 said:
platonov,

I hesitate to respond to some who has leveled as many (often veiled) attacks as you have against commenters here because I am concerned it will not be productive. However, let's put two of your points together. You say that I have often posted on luminol. You also talk about "oft refuted, discredited" arguments. Let's see you find an argument I made about luminol that was discredited. I might even settle for "irrelevant" as a distant second choice. If you cannot, then perhaps your thesis is not as strong as you thought.
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halides1

I note you didn't respond on the general irrelevancy, refutation or repetition 'issues'.
Can we take those as accepted/irrefutable.

But lets meet halfway on this luminol issue which you seem to think this is good ground for you.

Now you know I don't share your taste for repetition but if you...
First - post links or page numbers to all the separate 'occasions' or 'exchanges' where you or others 'bring up' luminol (ignore the one liners)
&
Then also post a couple of links to the best argument as you see it...
I will happily respond with posts where the best arguments were dealt with or deal with them myself.

Take you time - say over the next day or three. Now once you post I will first check to see if you have omitted* any. If you have - no dice. Lets see how much repetition is involved here !

*I'm a fair debater, I will give a generous 25% leeway on the first list - Oh yea, post it in vertical table form.

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Chris C said:
Once again, you are the one confused. Sollecito did call the police. You have been reading tabloid lies, not even guilters will argue that the police were not called
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Oh I never said I wasn't confused. ;)


Now my understanding is that she came in and saw all this kinda got the sense that something was wrong and went back to RS's house for a while BEFORE police were called. Is this true or not?


Also I had originally begun this thread saying "Why would she draw the police to the house" thinking that she had called the police only to be told that the police showed up on their own to return two of Meredith's cell phones. I think they were postal police, and it was THEN that the police were called


Is this correct or not?
 
Withnail1969 said:
Meredith probably did lock her door when she was out during the day. Maybe not in the evenings. Why does it always have to be 'she did one thing at one time so she did it forever all the time?'
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Again this is a speculative statement posted in an authoritative tone. Do you know that Meredith locked her door during the day? It is my understanding that the other room mate Filomena said she did not.

Which is true?
 
truethat said:
Again this is a speculative statement posted in an authoritative tone. Do you know that Meredith locked her door during the day? It is my understanding that the other room mate Filomena said she did not.

Which is true?
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How would Filomena know? She was out at work.
 
Withnail1969 said:
Meredith probably did lock her door when she was out during the day. Maybe not in the evenings. Why does it always have to be 'she did one thing at one time so she did it forever all the time?'
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No, she didn't. No one other than Amanda ever said this, and even Amanda admitted that she meant she only did it when she took a shower. She did not lock her door during the day when she was out, is my understanding. I think what I read is she did it if she was going out of town back home.
 
Solange305 said:
Chris, I never meant to say it makes her guilty. I just think it's strange is all.
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Agreed.


I see that this page has thousands of responses.


What I would like to get at is what we know is not tainted by police involvement. What happened before the police were involved and what kind of picture does that paint.

I do not think if she jumped up and down giddy outside the house and said "Fantastic Meredith is gone and I won't have to deal with her again" that even this would have any inclination towards her guilt or involvement.

And it's funny, you thinkers and "guilters" on here are not using logic to debate. The obvious debate for "why didn't she flush the toilet" to me would be

Well we have evidence from Meredith that AK was a gross roommate with crap personal hygiene so it's no surprise that she didn't flush the toilet.

Right?
 
RWVBWL said:
You know, Platonov,
I've wondered about the "did she lock it, did she not", door issue before.
Here's my thoughts, with no fluff for you to swallow!

Weren't housemates Filomena and Laura out of college and didn't both work for a law firm?
Wouldn't that probably mean that they had a full time job, a normal 40 hour work week? I would think so.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Amanda Knox, being an English speaking student,
might have spent more time hangin' out at the apartment during the daytime with fellow English speaking student Meredith than working Filomena did?
Maybe she knew that Meredith locked her door a lot more often then Filomena knew. Maybe not.
I wonder...


Dude/Dudette!!!
That ain't no answer!
You are just telling me what you might do, which you probably won't!
Come on Platonov!
A simple,
"Hi RWVBWL,
I know that you are curious, so I asked my doctor and he/she said that generally speaking it usually takes 5-6 hours for the "the stomach to start and to finish emptying."
or
""Hi RWVBWL,
I know that you are curious, so I asked my doctor and he/she said that generally speaking it usually takes 2-3 hours for the "the stomach to start and to finish emptying."

Peace, RW
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The first isn't even fluff - its speculation (or making **** up if you prefer :)) and doesn't deal with the earlier panic issue.
You also appear, like Mary H, to have confused testimony with hearsay.

On the second you have misread me - I have asked and got an answer.
If you are an Iggy Pop fan you will like it.
 
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Withnail1969 said:
It's true. the police asked her, she caved in and fingered Filomena, and my theory is that Filomena really hated Amanda from that point for causing so much trouble for her.
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Withnail, what trouble did she cause for her? That is fine if it's your theory, but Truethat is right that you sometimes say things as if they are fact when they are only your opinion. If that is your opinion it's fine, but I personally think it's not reasonable.
 
Solange305 said:
No, she didn't. No one other than Amanda ever said this, and even Amanda admitted that she meant she only did it when she took a shower. She did not lock her door during the day when she was out, is my understanding. I think what I read is she did it if she was going out of town back home.
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So on the one hand, Meredith is really concerned about all the lowlifes Amanda is dragging back to the cottage all the time, and on the other she never feels a need to lock her door.
 
treehorn said:
Have you seen the photo of "Frank Sfarzo" (not his real name) posing with the step dad of the accused (Mellas) over a computer (for a story about the pro-Amanda website they'd set up)?

If so, how can you reasonably construe THAT as "neutral" or objective reporting on par with that of a professional, career journalist at Newsweek?! (If, indeed, his amateur blogging can be called "reporting" in the first place.)
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Greetings Treehorn!
"Neutral"
Now that is an interesting word.

Reminds me of somethin'.

Too bad you weren't in Perugia for Rudy Guede's lawyer, Walter Biscotti's 50th birthday party at the "Red Zone".

From what I have read, you could have probably listened to some good music, got drunk and even hung out with some of the "neutral" locals,
such as Police Officer Napoleoni, head of the homicide squad, Officer Zugarani, and even Prosecutor Mignini's briefcase man too.
Heck, even Judge Micheli, you know, the guy that sent Rudy Guede to prison for his participation in the bloody murder of Meredith Kercher,
was there tapping his foot as Rudy's lawyer, Biscotti played lead guitar on a cover of the song "Smoke on the Water".

What does Rudy Guede have now?
Oh yes, just 16 years for a murder!?!

Oppps!
I forgot something.
I think that I recall that this same judge also convicted poor lil' Rudy of sexual assault.
Too bad Rudy couldn't keep his hands of Meredith Kercher, maybe she would still be alive today.
Friggin scumbag...

Have a good one, Treehorn
RWVBWL
 
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Withnail1969 said:
So on the one hand, Meredith is really concerned about all the lowlifes Amanda is dragging back to the cottage all the time, and on the other she never feels a need to lock her door.
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Again a speculation posted as a declarative statement.

We don't know. That is a fact. Period the end. If you want to speculate by all means but a better way of stating it would be

Well if Meredith said she was concerned about the lowlifes, don't you think it makes sense that she would have locked her door?

That is a speculative statement. And it is a good point. Just a suggestion to you about how you come across.
 
Solange305 said:
Withnail, what trouble did she cause for her? That is fine if it's your theory, but Truethat is right that you sometimes say things as if they are fact when they are only your opinion. If that is your opinion it's fine, but I personally think it's not reasonable.
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She could easily have destroyed Filomena's legal career.

Just the fact of Raffaele Sollecito being arrested was enough to get his outstandingly successful Carabinerie sister Vanessa fired.
 
Solange305 said:
Chris, I never meant to say it makes her guilty. I just think it's strange is all.
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Fair enough.

Though wasn't there a few people that talked about how the other 2 girls said something along the lines that Knox and Meredith where having problems because Amanda was messy in the bathroom.
If that was true and you had been confronted by your roommates about being a slob, would you flush their toilet, which is in their bathroom and not yours.

Also I believe Filomena's bathroom is a 2 part bathroom. I dont think she would have to blow dry her hair and look at the turd. I've not seen the exact layout of the room that connects to it.
 
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Solange305 said:
Chris, I never meant to say it makes her guilty. I just think it's strange is all.
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can you imagine what people would say about her if it were discovered that she'd spent weeks or even months posting on a message board about a notorious murder?

I'm pretty sure they'd think that was "strange" to say the least, and no doubt some would say it points to her guilt.
 
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