Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Gandalfs Beard]

Hey, doesn't Marvel Comics provide evidence for why we know the Edda writers told the truth? And, as I've mentioned elsewhere, the Prose and Poetic Eddas include embarrassing details about the Aesir and Vanir (e.g. Thor in drag) and difficult sayings of the gods. Really difficult. Seriously, there are bits of the Poetic Edda that don't make a lick of sense. So the Eddas must be true, right? I mean, fiction wasn't invented until--what--last week? And Iceland doesn't have any trees, so no paper.

List of known Marvel gods
Celtic gods (Avalonians)
Home: Avalon

Balor
Caber
Cerrunos
Leir
Morrigan

Egyptian gods
Main article: Heliopolitans (comics)
Home: Heliopolis

Amon Ra
Anubis
Bast
Bes
Geb
Horus
Isis
Khonshu
Neith
Nut
Osiris
Sekhmet
Seth
Toth

Graeco-Roman gods
Main article: Olympians (Marvel Comics)
Home: Olympus

Apollo
Ares
Artemis
Athena
Dionysus
Hercules
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
Hippolyta
Neptune
Pluto
Priapus
Venus
Vesta
Zeus

Hindu gods
Home: Nirvana Home: Shiva (comics)Šiva

Norse Gods
Main article: Asgardians (Marvel Comics)
Home: Asgard

Balder
Frigga
Frey
Heimdall
Hela
Hermod
Hoder
Idunn
Loki
Odin
Sigyn
Sif
Thor
Tyr
Valkyrie
Vidar
Volla
The Warriors Three (Fandral, Hogun and Volstagg)

Slavic Gods
Perun
Svarog

Other Pantheons in the Marvel Universe
Aztecs, Mayans, Persians, Japanese, Africans, Native Americans, Chinese, Polynesians,Finlaands and Skrull.

"False" Gods
Several beings have either claimed to be gods, or were mistaken for gods. These include:

Apocalypse (worshipped as Huitzilopochtli, Kali-Ma, Set, possibly others)
Axi-Tun
Beta Ray Bill (an alien warrior who was an avatar of Thor for a short time and has since been given his own similar powers)
Demons (many were originally Elder Gods, and/or were worshiped as gods even in their demonic forms)
Eternals (Zuras was mistaken for Zeus, et cetera)
Horusians
Selene the Black Queen (worshipped as a goddess in Nova Roma)
Storm (worshipped as a goddess in Kenya)


Not to mention The Beyonder: a young Deity finding Himself, causing two "Secret Wars" and then departing to start his own Universe.

So Marvel Comics provides not only evidence for Superheroes (which we know to be true because nearly all of them have "embarrassing details" printed about their lives", and because they have tens of thousands of copies, and because these historical documents also include well known historical figures...etc), but also evidence for nearly all the other Pantheons of Gods as well.

Jesus does make a appearance in a number of Marvel Comics, but there is little indication that Jesus is any more special than any of the other Deities. Apparently there is also a reference to the "One-Above-All" a vague and mysterious being that is allegedly the Creator god of Marvel Universe. However as Marvel is a proponent of Multiple Universes Theory, there are no doubt Multiple Creator Gods (of which The Beyonder is One).

Given all the evidence that fits the criteria that DOC has set forth, I propose that there is evidence of the existance of ALL the Deities and Superheroes set forth in Marvel Comics. In fact, as many of the stories in marvel Comics are contemporaneous, I would suggest that their versions of the Deities are more accurate than the NT.



GB

 

[wollery]

Well this OT post is off topic. I'll tell you what, if a moderator says it is OK to respond, I'll respond to this within 10 days.

[as mod]It's ok to respond[/as mod]

Just in case DOC missed it. kmortis is a mod and has said that it's OK to respond to the post.

We wait with baited breath.

 

[kmortis]

The guy is on that many forums, plus he has his own blog and don't forget he is a christian with a christian bias.

Christian or not, he presents claims with supporting evidence. While I do not agree with is ultimate conclusion, I can appreciate his methods. I'd never knock him for his faith.

 

[Arthur Mann]

Never mind, I bought it from Amazon just now.

If money wasn't inherently worthless I'd say you wasted your money, torrentz that shiznit. Even if you have to pay two or three dollars to have it bound, at least you avoid paying royalties.

 

[Lothian]

If money wasn't inherently worthless I'd say you wasted your money, ....

Please send me all your inherently worthless money. Oh you have changed your mind. Ok.

 

[DOC]

So, was there a guard outside the tomb, like in Matthew, or was there no guard, like in Mark, John and Luke?.

So your thinking is if 4 people write an article about the life of B. Obama and one writer says his father was a Muslim and 3 writers don't mention what his father's religion is then the evidence is his father was not a Muslim.

ETA:

And actually it makes sense that the Jewish tax collector eyewitness Matthew whose main theme of his gospel was that Christ was the Jewish Messiah would be the one most likely to mention the guards because

1) he was a tax collector who most likely dealt with the Romans to give them the money he collected in taxes. Thus he would be the writer who had the most contacts with the Romans and thus would be most likely the one to get the most information about their activities.

2) being an apostle, he lived in Jerusalem whereas we don't really know where Mark and Luke lived during Christ's death. Thus he is more likely (along with the very young John) to know what was happening in Jerusalem with any guards around the tomb.

3) Since the theme of his gospel was Christ was the Jewish Messiah. He seemed more concerned with all things Jewish than the other writers. Thus he would seem more likely to hear about the Jewish leaders offering to pay the guards to say the disciples stole the body while the guards slept.

And just because someone writes a Gospel doesn't mean he had access to everything that dealt with the life and death of Christ. That's probably why the Church chose to include 4 gospels instead of just one. Because it gives a deeper understanding of the life of Christ from several sources. And that would outweigh any minor seeming differences. But as I've said before, I have never seen a seeming discrepancy in the NT that can't be logically explained.

 

[Fiona]

So your thinking is if 4 people write an article about the life of B. Obama and one writer says his father was a Muslim and 3 writers don't mention what his father's religion is then the evidence is his father was not a Muslim.

DOC I asked you upthread to stop doing this. It is really annoying. The chances of you accurately guessing what someone else is thinking are close to nil: you don't even seem to know what you think yourself a lot of the time. Instead of attributing positions address what is actually said.

The question has a simple answer: yes, no , or don't know.

If you believe there are unstated premises behind a question then ask.

Your approach is truly tiresome

 

[Lothian]

So your thinking is if 4 people write an article about the life of B. Obama and one writer says his father was a Muslim and 3 writers don't mention what his father's religion is then the evidence is his father was not a Muslim.

My thinking is that one person gave an opinion that his father was a Muslim 3 gave no opinion. It would be evidence of someone opinion not evidence of his fathers faith.

If I call you an idiot is that evidence you are one?

 

[Lothian]

And actually it makes sense that the Jewish tax collector eyewitness Matthew whose main theme of his gospel was that Christ was the Jewish Messiah would be the one most likely to mention the guards because

1) he was a tax collector who most likely dealt with the Romans to give them the money he collected in taxes. Thus he would be the writer who had the most contacts with the Romans and thus would be most likely the one to get the most information about their activities.

2) being an apostle, he lived in Jerusalem whereas we don't really know where Mark and Luke lived during Christ's death. Thus he is more likely to know what was happening in Jerusalem with any guards around the tomb.

3) Since the theme of his gospel was Christ was the Jewish Messiah. He seemed more concerned with all things Jewish than the other writers. Thus he would seem more likely to hear about the Jewish leaders offering to pay the guards to say the disciples stole the body while the guards slept.

And just because someone writes a Gospel doesn't mean he had access to everything that dealt with the life and death of Christ. That's probably why the Church chose to include 4 gospels instead of just one. Because it gives a deeper understanding of the life of Christ from several sources. And that would outweigh any minor seeming differences. But as I've said before, I have never seen a seeming discrepancy in the NT that can't be logically explained.

This is opinion, speculation and wishful thinking. It does not contain one scrap of evidence.

 

[DOC]

The guy is on that many forums, plus he has his own blog and don't forget he is a christian with a christian bias.

What is your source he is a Christian?

 

[Fiona]

What is your source he is a Christian?

Lolwut??

 

[DOC]

This is opinion, speculation and wishful thinking. It does not contain one scrap of evidence.

This is incorrect. There is historical evidence that Matthew was a tax collector. There is historical evidence that the apostle Matthew wrote the gospel Matthew, and thus obviously lived in Jerusalem during Christ's death. And read any summary of the NT and many should tell you that the theme of Matthew is Christ is the Jewish Messiah unlike say Luke that was written for the gentiles, or John which mostly stressed the deity of Christ.

 

[DOC]

Lolwut??

I'm just curious, he said he was a Christian. I curious which post says that he is, that's all.

 

[Fiona]

Why don't you go and look then? Reading his posts might find you the answer: and it might even help you to a better understanding of how productive conversation is conducted. Win: Win

 

[DOC]

Just in case DOC missed it. kmortis is a mod and has said that it's OK to respond to the post.

Ok, I said within 10 days.

 

[Mojo]

Ok, I said within 10 days.

Within 10 days of the post, or within 10 days of kmortis saying it's OK to respond?

 

[Mojo]

I'm just curious, he said he was a Christian. I curious which post says that he is, that's all.

All of them.

 

[Lothian]

This is incorrect. There is historical evidence that Matthew was a tax collector. There is historical evidence that the apostle Matthew wrote the gospel Matthew, and thus obviously lived in Jerusalem during Christ's death.

We know he claims to be a tax collector but in this thread you are supposed to be providing evidence the claims in bible are true. If you have evidence outside the bible that he is a tax collector tell me what it is otherwise I will assume you are lying again.

Today, most critical scholarship agrees that Matthew did not write the Gospel which bears his name,[20][21] and prefer instead to describe the author as an anonymous Jewish Christian, writing towards the end of the 1st century. The vast majority of scholars believe that the Gospel was originally composed in Greek (see Greek primacy) rather than being a translation from an Aramaic Matthew or the Hebrew Gospel.

20 Eusebius, ''Church History'' 3.24.6..
21 F.L. Cross & E.A. Livingston, The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, Oxford University Press, 1989. p 957 & 722

It is not obvious at all that Matty lived in Jerusalem, I am pleased however that you will be proving evidence.

Then again perhaps you will ignore this post. Perhaps I will keep posting it. Perhaps you will admit there is no evidence.

 

[welshdean]

10 days, 10 freaking days! What's with the 10 days all the time? While your researching that DOC, have a look for an answer to this;
If the NT writers did tell the truth how can there be contradictory accounts about the resurrection? Bear in mind that xtianity is fundamentally dependant on the resurrection, yet they can't agree on who was the first to clap eyes on jeebus:

The two Marys
Matthew 28:1, 9
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.... And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Mary Magdalene
Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
John 20:11-14
But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping ... and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

Cleopas and another
Luke 24:13-31
And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus.... And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? ... And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Cephas
1 Corinthians 15:4-5
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve.


Nor do they agree on where he went first after rising from the dead:

Was it on a mountain top in Galilee?
Matthew 28:16
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him.

Or was it In a room in Jerusalem?

Mark 16:14
Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Luke 24:33-37 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread. And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

So come on DOC, did the NT writers tell the truth, yes or no? If you answer yes then the NT itself disagrees with you. If you answer no then this thread is a waste of 1's and 0's.

You know what DOC, It's annoyingly dishonest of you when you are asked specific questions like these quoted here, then you just ignore them completely. What compounds the annoyance is when you then go on to post drivel like this:

But as I've said before, I have never seen a seeming discrepancy in the NT that can't be logically explained.

So let's hear your response then.

 

[Sun Countess]

I'm just curious, he said he was a Christian. I curious which post says that he is, that's all.

All of them.

To break it down for DOC: cj's religious beliefs are states in his signature. You know what a signature is, don't you....that thing that Caesar is lacking...