Wikileaks Internet Fight- Channers Hit Back

PogoPedant said:
... and now they seem to change their tactics

http://i.imgur.com/y5SrO.gif

Not quite as obnoxious this time.
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That's better.

Captain.Sassy said:
And yeah, the average age is about 15. Wonder what it'll be like when these kids grow up? There's clearly power in this anonymous swarming activity, and as lots of these teenaged nerds get into university and learn more about computers and so forth (assuming their willingness to engage in this kind of activism remains strong) I imagine the methods the individuals use will become more sophisticated.

4chan is the future. :P
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Your parenthetical will be their downfall. Hippies became yuppies. 4channers will become whatevers. Nearly everyone grows up to be just another schmoe. It's fun to think you're sticking it to the man when your biggest actual problem is getting rid of a zit before prom. Sure, a few will keep their youthful zeal, but a decade or so from now, "Let's take down Visa!" will be met with, "Maybe later. Gotta take the kids to soccer practice." And later never comes.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
That's better.


Your parenthetical will be their downfall. Hippies became yuppies. 4channers will become whatevers. Nearly everyone grows up to be just another schmoe. It's fun to think you're sticking it to the man when your biggest actual problem is getting rid of a zit before prom. Sure, a few will keep their youthful zeal, but a decade or so from now, "Let's take down Visa!" will be met with, "Maybe later. Gotta take the kids to soccer practice." And later never comes.
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yeh maybe
I guess time will tell

at the same time, the next generation is already more tech savvy at 12 than I am in my grizzled olde age
 
Whiplash said:
I have been so floored by this entire thing that I don't even know where to begin.

It blows my mind that the likes of Wikileaks, and this protest, could draw any support whatsoever.

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Common sense is dead. This world is going to hell. Just keep your heads down and try to ride it out. It's all you can do.
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I'm equally outraged by your outrage; and by call by government officials to assassinate Assange, or by the ridiculous penalties for DDoS attacks and the sharing of information. We call anything we don't like a terrorist or un-American these days.

Marquis de Carabas said:
A DDoS is the very antithesis of free speech. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Further, I would strongly advise against anyone joining the "protests", not on any political grounds, but merely because voluntarily joining a botnet is just a stupid thing to do from a security standpoint.
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You can sift through the source code and determine how safe it is.
 
Captain.Sassy said:
This is a good primer on how the attacks work:

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/201...cannon-the-tool-used-in-anonops-ddos-attacks/
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Yes, basically you install the LOIC tool; then you put it in "Hive Mind" mode, which passes control to the operator of an IRC channel, and he can launch the LOIC tool at a website of his (dis)liking. The Dutch kid who was arrested was such an operator.

Richard Masters said:
I'm equally outraged by your outrage; and by call by government officials to assassinate Assange, or by the ridiculous penalties for DDoS attacks and the sharing of information. We call anything we don't like a terrorist or un-American these days.
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It's funny no-one has gone after the DDoS attacks on Wikileaks which preceded this. :rolleyes: No-one complains about governments looking into the same kind of things either. :rolleyes:

As to the penalties: this Dutch newspaper article has details on it. In general, the maximum penalty is 1 year prison or €16,750 fine. Kids who DDoS-ed Dutch government sites in 2004 got community service or fines.
 
Richard Masters said:
You can sift through the source code and determine how safe it is.
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Most people can't.

ddt said:
It's funny no-one has gone after the DDoS attacks on Wikileaks which preceded this. :rolleyes: No-one complains about governments looking into the same kind of things either. :rolleyes:
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I'm against those, too. My initial post said "DDoS attacks are...", not "These DDoS attacks are...".
 
Bikewer said:
Curious, I checked out the 4Chan site, and was amazed at the puerile nature of almost all the material....The average age must be under 15.
These are the folks organizing large-scale DOS attacks?
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You'll also find a large number of 'internet memes' originated on 4chan, /b/ in particular. I lurk there for probably about 30 mins a week, and generally get some good fun out of it - for example the 'things you do that you think no one else does' threads, or the meme generator generated meme pics, in particular the bachelor frog (worryingly true sometimes in my case :( ) and no matter how many times I see it I still laugh at the band camp kid with 'they said I could be anything I wanted....so I became a god' tagline.

There's also a fair bit of 'what has been seen...' on there, so make sure you're quick on the old 'close tab' maneuver
 
I wonder if most of the Channers philosophically support the notion of net neutrality, you know, in a "do as I say, not as I do" sort of way.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/10/hackers-loic-anonymous-wikileaks

"In fact the reality is that most of those people flooding into those forums are having barely any effect: there are a few thousand of them, which simply doesn't make a proper DDOS attack.

Instead, what's making the difference is a small group of "admins" who are very much more skilled hackers - and who are able to command botnets of tens of thousands of computers. We'll explore that in a later post about what happens inside the forums where Anonymous operates."


http://news.techworld.com/security/3252826/wikileaks-ddos-tool-downloads-grow-rapidly/

"Realistically, LOIC is a still more of a marketing tool for the Anonymous cause more than a serious botnet tool that can scale. The group is likely using involuntary botnets to do most of its DDoS, that is launching attacks using hijacked PCs without their owners being aware that this is happening.
 
It's clear that this is all being exploited as an artificial controversy. If those in power really cared about justice they'd just prosecute the hackers involved; instead you have people in the UN calling this a "cyber-war" and at least one political strategist talking about making the internet "less open" and implications of there being all sorts of internet-censorship.


INRM
"No matter how I die, it was murder"
SNL Parody of Julian Assange
 
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