Who started both World Wars?

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uke2se said:
By "the European" you are once again talking about yourself and your very small group of like minded neo-Nazis. The vast majority of us Europeans don't like your kind. Europeans helped beat your kind to a pulp 65 years ago, and we would do it again should it ever be necessary. Given the low quality of the current neo-Nazi brain, it's unlikely that it ever will be necessary, though.
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Could you define 'neo-nazi' for us? You guys have been using this word so often that I am getting curious what the real meaning of it is?

Thanks in advance!
 
Tolls said:
You keep saying it, but it's been shown (over and over and over again) to be plain false. And each time you ignore it, eventually running off for a few days before coming back as though nothing has happened.

Do you admit that the US Pacific forces (including Hawaii) were put on war alert 10 days before the attack on Pearl Harbour, and 2 days after your Stimson quote? Thought I'd ask since you seem to have missed it...again.
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Do you admit that the 2 aircraft carriers were send away from PH?
 
9/11-investigator said:
So what was the core message of that BBC documentary according to you?
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It doesn't matter what I believe the "core message" is. It's you that is claiming it as evidence for your argument. You tell us how it suppourts it-after you get round to actually watching it:rolleyes:
 
9/11-investigator said:
2 posts in this thread and already a Godwin pops up. No surprises here. You really would miss the holocaust, this opportunity for mediocre people to become a Good Guy on the cheap.
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No surprises here. You really would miss the holocaust, this opportunity for mediocre people to become a Good Guy on the cheap.

What does that mean?

I looked up Godwin and you don't use it correctly. You are a self identified Nazi sympathizer. I'm not devolving the level of discourse. I'm using your own words.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Could you define 'neo-nazi' for us? You guys have been using this word so often that I am getting curious what the real meaning of it is?

Thanks in advance!
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Short definition: You.

Long definition: Stupid person who buys into racial supremacy crap and who apologizes for the Nazis.
 
NEO-NAZI: "a person who belongs to a political organization whose beliefs are inspired by or reminiscent of Nazism"


That's a bad thing agreed upon by most rational people, and the only way that it can be made to appear "not so bad" is to try to make Nazism appear "not so bad". That's what 9/11-investigator and people like him are trying to do.

It's as transparent as it is wrong.
 
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twinstead said:
Yea, it appears that 9/11-investigator, like most cult members, grossly overestimate their numbers and importance in debates like this. I for one am not concerned about a little group of idiot neo-nazis think. I submit that my attitude is held by most rational people on Earth.
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I agree, but we need to keep an eye on them because of the potential for violence. They have Zero chance of gaining power, but could kill or injure a lot of innocent people if take the terrorist route a la the KKK.
 
twinstead said:
NEO-NAZI: "a person who belongs to a political organization whose beliefs are inspired by or reminiscent of Nazism"
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Thank you!

So it is your opinion that:

- I want the Bundeswehr to invade modern Poland and recapture Gdansk, drive out the 100% Polish population, of course after Merkel goes to Moscow first to struck a deal with Putin.
- Do the same thing with the Czech Republic and Austria.
- I want to replace parliament with some Fuehrer
- I want to stamp out Jewish communism (please state location of present day Jewish communism).

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Fascinating.

Can I ask you to references of post numbers where I have said anything like this?

Or shall we skip that futile exercise in that you admit that you like to use the word Nazi as a smear word? I know that Anglos have a certain dedain for intellectualism, but this really pushes it.

But I have no problem at all to state my real policy for the umptieth time. I am a Gaullist. For Americans, that is somebody who admirers the policies of general Charles de Gaulle.

Here we go:

- l'Europe des Patries, i.e. "Europe of the fatherlands", meaning a Dutch Netherlands and a German Germany, etc, in a European Europe with minimal immigration currents (for Americans this is a Nazi attitude, but who cares what Americans think anyway)
- This united Europe (Paris-Berlin axis rather) should seek an all-encompassing alliance with Russia: military, economic and raw materials/energy (the horror vision of the likes of Brezinsky)
- The new setup should be anti-egalitarian
- The alliance automatically will be 'anti-American' in that it hinders American hegemonic ambitions.
- This Europe accepts an anti-imperial multipolar world (with 750 millions Europeans we are going to dwarf 180 million Euro-Americans anyway)
- In the end efficiently wind down the failed American project and recolonize the joint (out of goodwill) if they are unable to govern themselves after the ruling Jewish Ueberclass has been ousted, after 9/11-truth comes out.

Is this Neo-Nazi? Who says so, an American Neo-Bolshevik?
Who cares. :p
 
Wow. Just Wow.
Anti Eqalitarian is a code word for Right Wing Dictatorship in which only a small Aristocratic Elite have political power.
No wonder Nein Eleven worships the ground the Vladamir Putin walks on,since the kind of Authoritarian state that is lapsing back into a Totaltarian state that Russia is is the kind of Government he wants.
Yeah, turning back the clock to before the French Revolution is really going to work.
As to a Paris Berlin axis, that is really going to thrill Madrid, Rome,Athens, London, Stockholm, etc............
 
9/11-investigator said:
A grave insult to the Dutch. Holland delivered the largest contingent SS, fighting Judeo-initiated Bolshevism, the largest bunch of mass murderers in history...
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On 10 February 1945, the brigade was redesignated 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland., although its strength at the time was barely 1,000 men

This "division" never got bigger than a brigade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Nederland


9/11-investigator said:
Here a Dutch-SS poster, mocking our fine American 'liberators'.
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That was very interesting. I have not seen this poster before. The style is unusual as it is modern and not like other late war German propaganda posters used in occupied areas. I did a google image search and found that it was a colour cover of a magazine called Kultur Terror which is actually Danish, not Dutch. ( I apologise for going off topic. I have a general interest in art movements in propaganda)

http://www.artsnotdead.com/PhotoDetails.asp?ShowDESC=N&ProductCode=MN00001
 
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Matthew Ellard said:
On 10 February 1945, the brigade was redesignated 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland., although its strength at the time was barely 1,000 men

This "division" never got bigger than a brigade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Nederland



That was very interesting. I have not seen this poster before. The style is unusual as it is modern and not like other late war German propaganda posters used in occupied areas. I did a google image search and found that it was a colour cover of a magazine called Kultur Terror which is actually Danish, not Dutch. ( I apologise for going off topic. I have a general interest in art movements in propaganda)

http://www.artsnotdead.com/PhotoDetails.asp?ShowDESC=N&ProductCode=MN00001
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Nein Eleven is a Anton Mussert fanboy.
Big Surprise.
 
It is rather telling that my opponents studiously ignore the post that is devastating for their case, the speech by Stalin in August 1939. Let's examine that speech in detail. This previously classified material, much of it stamped "Top Secret", was released to the West after the Soviet collapse in 1991. Here first is Stalin's half-baked scheme to play off the Anglo-French bloc against Hitler's Germany on the eve of World War II.
Speech by I.V. Stalin

19 August 1939
to the Politburo
of the All-Union Communist Party
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Thus, our task consists in making sure that Germany should be involved in war as long as possible, so that England and France would be so exhausted that they no longer would be capable of presenting a threat to a Soviet Germany. We shall maintain a position of neutrality while biding our time; the USSR will grant aid to present-day Germany to provide raw materials and general supplies.

For these plans to be realized, it is indispensable to prolong the war as long as possible, and it is in this precise direction that we should guide all the forces with which we shall act in Western Europe.
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So while my Anglo friends here love to whine about the German town of Danzig, of which the Germans had the nerve to want it back, after it was stolen from them in Versailles, Stalin was outright plotting for the invasion and take-over of Europe. Not that that was any hindrance for the Americans to be big friends with the Soviets.

Now I am going to pose a hypothesis here, before some Suvorow does it before me, for which I have admittedly not a shred of proof, but which is not far fetched from the logic of the situation:

The USSR and the Roosevelt government coordinated their attack on Europe.

Consider: Roosevelt was a commie lover. The first thing he did when he came to power was recognizing this slaughter house of a 'nation' USSR. He gave aid to these bunch of mass murderers, before he managed himself into war on their side, via Japan. So why is it so far-fetched to consider at least the possibility that Stalin and Roosevelt had an understanding about how to conquer Europe and divide it among them. After all the actions look coordinated. Consider: Stalin tells his inner circle that he is enabling Germany to take their territory back in Poland, stolen from in Versailles, via the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement (the secret annex was his idea, not of the Germans) hoping that war in Europe would result from this and that Britain/France and Germany weaken each other to the extend that capturing Eastern-Europe will be a walkover. At the same time is the US pushing Britain into war, using the Focus pressure group, lead by Churchill, working towards the same scenario as Stalin does. Unfortunately for the US/USSR France and Britain turn out to be a walkover (no surprises here) and Germany unexpectedly comes out relatively unharmed. Stalin decides to press ahead anyway with his plans for conquest, after all the USSR had prepared for this for more than a decade at the greatest possible sacrifices for the Soviet popuplation. Germany discovers this and preempts the planned attack with 3 weeks and causes great havoc to the Soviets and gives the lesser evil, America, the chance to at least capture Western Europe.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
It is rather telling that my opponents studiously ignore the post that is devastating for their case, the speech by Stalin in August 1939.
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There's nothing devastating in that speech for people who know, understand and accept history. The USSR and Nazi Germany were allies, despite their opposite ideologies. USSR needed Germany to hold back the capitalist nations to the west, and preferably to bleed them dry. Germany needed the USSR to stay out of war long enough for Hitler's forces to mop up in the west. Then Hitler intended to invade, as has been shown previously in this thread.

Stalin's speech is pretty arrogant given the fact that his purges had left his armies sorely inadequate to face anything coming their way. This also proved to be the truth with operation Barbarossa, and it wasn't until one and a half year after the invasion of their homeland that the Soviet armies were able to muster an effective counter offensive.

Stalin was an arrogant person, much like Hitler. He needed to keep up the appearance of being in complete control. Him making speeches like this isn't at all surprising.
 
dudalb said:
Nein Eleven is a Anton Mussert fanboy.
Big Surprise.
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Can you provide us with a quote to substantiate your little lie?

I have told you before that Mussert cooperated with an invader and was hence rightfully shot.

I also told you that present day politicians who cooperated, nay even invited the Islam in, can expect severe repercussions as well. After the fall of America. After all, we don't want to become another victim of American agresson like Serbia was, when they fought the Muslims about Kosovo.
 
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