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Witness describes explosions at North Tower

triforcharity said:
And this is absolutely false. 100% FALSE.
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ROFL. And which of those is this pan on ?

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You guys are very funny sometimes.

Here's a Hobart Electric Range...

http://img.archiexpo.com/images_ae/photo-g/commercial-electric-cooking-ranges-26878.jpg

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Regardless...I don't care. I still wouldn't eat in a restaurant that let it's appliances get into the state of the image above ;)

Now, if you fine gentlemen have finished having hissy-fits about a grubby cooker in an unknown location, for unknown reason, with someone who isn't at all bothered about whether some folk want to argue about whether there was a gas suppy 100 storey up WTC 1, my twigs have caught and the bacon in the plastic tray I'm holding over the top of it is starting to smell a bit funny :)
 
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femr2 said:
ROFL. And which of those is this pan on ?

[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/_ph/6/2/264712005.png[/qimg]

You guys are very funny sometimes.

Here's a Hobart Electric Range...
[qimg]http://img.archiexpo.com/images_ae/photo-g/commercial-electric-cooking-ranges-26878.jpg[/qimg]

Regardless...I don't care. I still wouldn't eat in a restaurant that let it's appliances get into the state of the image above ;)

Now, if you fine gentlemen have finished having hissy-fits about a grubby cooker in an unknown location, for unknown reason, with someone who isn't at all bothered about whether some folk want to argue about whether there was a gas suppy 100 storey up WTC 1, my twigs have caught and the bacon in the plastic tray I'm holding over the top of it is starting to smell a bit funny :)
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That is a Hobart electric griddle with an oven. But hey, it's cool.

You are free to not understand cook tops. Your decision.

Anyway, I am still looking for confirmation that there might have been NG/other gas lines higher in the towers. We know for a fact there were some in the kitchen.
 
femr2 said:
ROFL. And which of those is this pan on ?
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Hard to tell. You have cropped the image too much.

Here's a Hobart Electric Range...
[qimg]http://img.archiexpo.com/images_ae/photo-g/commercial-electric-cooking-ranges-26878.jpg[/qimg]

Regardless...I don't care. I still wouldn't eat in a restaurant that let it's appliances get into the state of the image above ;)
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Again, you have locked and loaded a twenty-round magazine and opened fire on your toes. We cannot tell from the photo whether this is a cast iron or stainless steel range top. If the signifcance of that fact goes over your head, you are out of your depth.

N0w surprise us, if you can, by making a more absurd comment.
 
triforcharity said:
That is a Hobart electric griddle with an oven. But hey, it's cool.
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And here is the critically important live footage of the pot in question being stirred...
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I'm afraid I haven't stabilised the footage for your continued analysis, nor have I performed any tracing to determine the pot-stir frequency, but feel free to utilise the source clip in your further studies.
 
femr2 said:
Regardless...I don't care. I still wouldn't eat in a restaurant that let it's appliances get into the state of the image above ;)
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If you've been to very many restaurants, don't worry, it's likely you've already eaten from a cook top like the one in the video. You'll live. ;)
 
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femr2 said:
And here is the critically important live footage of the pot in question being stirred...
[qimg]http://femr2.ucoz.com/pumpkin_pie.gif[/qimg]

I'm afraid I haven't stabilised the footage for your continued analysis, nor have I performed any tracing to determine the pot-stir frequency, but feel free to utilise the source clip in your further studies.
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Yep. From the original footage, it is clearly a stove with cast iron inserts, which would be found on a gas range. Not electric.

Also, it appears that the range is in use, and as such, might contain food debris. Not a violation, and certainly not suprising.

Go into any restaurant at 7pm on a friday night, and tell me their equipment is spotless. You won't find one. Anywhere.

So, in conclusion, the range in question uses some type of gas.
 
femr2 said:
Here's a Hobart Electric Range...
[qimg]http://img.archiexpo.com/images_ae/photo-g/commercial-electric-cooking-ranges-26878.jpg[/qimg]
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Who puts pots and pans on a griddle?

Regardless...I don't care. I still wouldn't eat in a restaurant that let it's appliances get into the state of the image above ;)
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Then you probably shouldn't go to restaurants.
 
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excaza said:
Who puts pots and pans on a griddle?
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No one, they use solid top stoves because they want very fine control of the cooking temperature - griddles try to maintain a constant heat across the entire surface and burners tend to be used for big things; boiling veg, simmering meats, searing meats. Solid tops have a far greater variance, very hot at the centre ranging to quite warm at the edges which makes them ideal for the fiddly stuff; sauces, stocks, soups & slow poaching. They're also handy, in a pinch, because you can fit a lot more pans on than you can a burner range.
 
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All this babbling about kitchen equipment is just a sidenote to illusrtate the lack of basic research that goes into conspiracy theories. The more outlandish and complex a conspiracy theory, generally, the less the theorist seems to understand some key part of the events or locations or people involved.

There is stuff in a building that goes BOOM when fire hits it. Assuming bombs is just dumb.
 
Justin39640 said:
I could have sworn that right after 9/11 I read an article on WOTW that said the kitchen was in the basement cause the FDNY didn't want gas lines up to the top. A lot of gas lines were damaged in the collapses though. The local area lost its service after the attacks but the damaged sections were isolated and the service was up relatively quickly.
http://www.ins.state.ny.us/wtcnygov.htm
http://www.unisci.com/stories/20014/1213012.htm
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5108043#post5108043

Steam is generated in NYC by the utility companies. Most buildings use steam esp the large ones. The Freedom tower and the new 7WTC are using steam heat (and limited oil and NG heat, I assume on the lower/sub levels). I assume (but can't find a reference) that the original buildings used steam too.
http://www.archicentral.com/one-world-trade-center-freedom-tower-new-york-som-10734/


In conclusion: It looks like there was NG on site but not in the towers themselves.
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This should answer some of your questions.

Regarding the use of steam and gas in WTC I found this in a report on the 1993 bombing:
lectrical power and steam are supplied to the complex by Consolidated Edison of New York (Con Ed).
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Steam is distributed to all mechanical equipment rooms, located throughout the complex:
Natural gas is supplied to the complex but is in limited use, mainly in the Vista Hotel’s kitchens but also in restaurants located on the concourse of 5 WTC and the coffee tasting room at the New York Commodities Exchange in 4 WTC. No natural gas is used in the two towers.
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Source: 1993 - The World Trade Center Bombing: Report and Analysis


Before 1993 at the least the kitchen was up in the restaurant according an article I found:
He said the possibility of Inhilco's opening the restaurant before the lease expires is unlikely given the massive destruction to the restaurant's underground receiving center, where food was delivered and processed before being shipped to the restaurant's kitchen 106 floors above.
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"Although the kitchen and the dining areas were unaffected by the blast, the restaurant cannot open without the B-1 facilities [underground processing center]," he said. "It handled more than 3 tons of fresh food a day."
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Source: 1993 - Windows on the World to get face-lift before reopening

After 1993 they used induction to prepare some of the food up in the bar:
Informality has taken over in an alternative, up-to-the-minute dining option called the Greatest Bar on Earth. It has replaced the more intimate City Lights Bar and Hors d'Oeuverie. The term "bar" does not do the new room justice: it is more like a three-ring circus, with performing chefs at separate stations rolling sushi, shucking oysters and stirring shabu-shabu on stone induction cookers in a stagy space that holds 300 people.
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Source: New York Times 1996 - New Windows on a New World;Can the Food Ever Match the View?
 
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Okay. Gas is important only in so far as it fueled the fires in the rubble pile.

You still have CO2 bottles and fire extinguishers all over the place. Ever bar or soda fountain has 25lb CO2 bottles all over the place.

There are also going to be people with medical oxygen bottles.

Explosive noises mean next to nothing unlessyou see ejecta.

We have no explosive ejecta. No reason to suspect explosives.
 
leftysergeant said:
All this babbling about kitchen equipment is just a sidenote to illusrtate the lack of basic research that goes into conspiracy theories. The more outlandish and complex a conspiracy theory, generally, the less the theorist seems to understand some key part of the events or locations or people involved.

There is stuff in a building that goes BOOM when fire hits it. Assuming bombs is just dumb.
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What does all this have to do with the CTer's insane theories? Explosions occurred in a burning building? Blow me down,who'd would have thought it? Lucky the troofers were here to point this out to us.
 
triforcharity said:
Very few restaurants will use a griddle for pots and pans.

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It depends on the terminology used in the kitchen. A "griddle" is usually a stainless stain cook top used for frying (what you see eggs and bacon being cooked on)

A "flattop" is the cast iron inserts used instead of grates. The cast flattop is commonly used in big kitchens, watch Hell's Kitchen and you'll see them. If it's got an oven it's a flattop range, if it doesn't it's usually a stainless "griddle".
 
3bodyproblem said:
It depends on the terminology used in the kitchen. A "griddle" is usually a stainless stain cook top used for frying (what you see eggs and bacon being cooked on)

A "flattop" is the cast iron inserts used instead of grates. The cast flattop is commonly used in big kitchens, watch Hell's Kitchen and you'll see them. If it's got an oven it's a flattop range, if it doesn't it's usually a stainless "griddle".
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Yeah, you're correct. I do watch that show religiously. I understand what you're speaking of.

When I was in high school, I worked at a local Texas Roadhouse, and we used a griddle/flattop to sear the steaks before cooking them over a flame.

(I have their secret recipe for their ribs, and the process to make them so damn good) I know, you're jealous.

Ok, no more off topic.

Seriously! Now I want a damn steak....
 
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