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Wikileaks is an enemy of the United States

Thunder said:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/28/wikileaks.attack/index.html?hpt=T1

they are releasing countless secret documents and intellectual property of the United States. they are in possession of stolen goods, which is a crime.

they are releasing classified documentation which they have no right to possess or even see. this is a crime.

I don't know if somehow the USA is responsible for the cyber-attack on Wikileaks, but I would not mind it if we were.

there is a legal way to get government documents, even classified ones from the USA. its called the Freedom of Information Act. it does wonders.

however, Wikileaks chooses to go another route. an illegal one.

and it does appear that their agenda may indeed be to harm the United States and our allies.

they are an enemy of the USA.
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I would agree that wikileaks severely acted against the interests of the US and hence can be qualified as the 'enemy of the US'.

But not necessarily of the rest of the world. ;)

Basically all diplomatic relations between American ambassies and the corresponding locals are damaged. Everyone now knows what Americans think.

I trust you all downloaded the infamous 1.39GB file insurance.aes256, just in case Assange will be arrested, like for that ridiculous 'rape charge'. Then the real juice will become available unfiltered. Can't wait for that!

It even boggles my mind that no less than 3 million people had access to this information. Bottom line: the US was asking for this event to happen.

When you park your Porsche in NYC/Harlem en leave the keys on the roof and walk away, than the police is entitled to say: "look mister, it is basically your fault that your car got stolen". And in the case of wikileaks, the info is not stolen, as in 'taken away', but copied, a rather subtile difference. For me it is another clear sign that the US is in terminal decline.

Talking about terminal decline, just finished reading:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north916.html

North reviews a recent article in Foreign Relations by Haass and Altman (2 Jews, no surprises here):

"American Profligacy and American Power: The Consequences of Fiscal Irresponsibility."

The alarm bells are now ringing even in the top levels of Anglo-American (read Jewish) power circles.

The rest of the world should prepare for vast changes in geopolitical power structure and anticipate on it.

In this decade.
 
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deepatrax said:
btw, nobody without security clearance has the right to know about the secret NON-ILLEGAL communications between the State Dept. and other countries.
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The USA has overseen mass killings, genocides and organized state terrorism in other states if not actually advocating them. South Korea, South Vietnam and various South American states have all been guilty of this.

The Americans then gathered information of these acts, which was everything from pictures depicting kids being machine-gunned to shreds and their corpses being burned to ashes, to just pure statistics of how many people were massacred in one day. This information was then conveniently classified Top-Secret and would be hidden in some government warehouse never to see the light of day until many decades later.

Anyone who reveals anything secret and classified from that immoral hellhole, whether it's the fact that Obama likes scat porn and that he likes to cross-dress or that Area 51 is really the super secret headquarters of the NWO, is a hero to mankind.
 
"Leaked US diplomatic cables covering recent years of Afghan corruption
which goes to the very top, are disheartening to Americans who have borne
the cost. "Leak" does not do it justice; it was a tsunami. No one, however,
has been arrested for leaking information and in spite of demands by
members of Congress who should know better, I don’t believe anyone will be.
We do not have an official-secrets act in this country. Government
employees willing to risk their careers by leaking classified documents may
be the only check on government excesses carried out in the name of
national security."
From Robert Park's What's New, this week.
 
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The bending over by the media, and now private companies to the US government regarding wikileaks is astonishing. Most of the media are simply mouthpieces for government officials at this point--which is exactly why Wikileaks is necessary.

Also astonishing is the hypocrisy, doublespeak, and horrible logic used by attackers of Wikileaks.

Some new news--now PayPal has shut down charitable contributions to Wikileaks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101204/ap_on_hi_te/wikileaks

BERLIN – The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.

PayPal said in a blog posting that the move was prompted by a violation of its policy, "which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity."
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So, apparently PayPal has its own judicial system and has already decided on a Guilty verdict. They should let Lieberman etc. know exactly what law Wikileaks broke, and more importantly, what law it broke that the NYT, Der Spiegel, and the long history of intentional "leaks" of secret stuff by the government (and the media that reports them) itself didn't break.
 
Wikileaks basically as far as I'm concerned is doing what the media in this country should have been doing a long time ago. If our media hasn't been bought and paid for by the government and powerful business interests, Wikileaks would just be some other news outlet.

Of course, being that Wikileaks is doing what the media is supposed to do, and since powerful government and business interests have went to great efforts to get the media under their control, there is of course a desire by the government, among others, to shut sites like Wikileaks down and get rid of people like Julian Assange.
 
deepatrax said:
... Julian Assange, who I've already agreed is an enemy of the U.S. ...
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As an American, I just thought I'd chime in & say that I do NOT consider Julian or Wikileaks any kind of "enemy" of the USA. I think they provide an invaluable service & there are many, many people who share my opinion.
 
PS13 said:
As an American, I just thought I'd chime in & say that I do NOT consider Julian or Wikileaks any kind of "enemy" of the USA. I think they provide an invaluable service & there are many, many people who share my opinion.
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As an American myself, I share this opinion.
 
Dragoonster said:
The bending over by the media, and now private companies to the US government regarding wikileaks is astonishing. Most of the media are simply mouthpieces for government officials at this point--which is exactly why Wikileaks is necessary.

Also astonishing is the hypocrisy, doublespeak, and horrible logic used by attackers of Wikileaks.

Some new news--now PayPal has shut down charitable contributions to Wikileaks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101204/ap_on_hi_te/wikileaks



So, apparently PayPal has its own judicial system and has already decided on a Guilty verdict. They should let Lieberman etc. know exactly what law Wikileaks broke, and more importantly, what law it broke that the NYT, Der Spiegel, and the long history of intentional "leaks" of secret stuff by the government (and the media that reports them) itself didn't break.
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(Bolding mine)... Great post, Dragoonster... :bigclap



Damn shame to hear about PayPal though... I'd cancel my account with them because of that except I need them as an E-Wallet... :mad:
 
Dragoonster said:
The bending over by the media, and now private companies to the US government regarding wikileaks is astonishing.
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As far I remember, that was always the case concerning the Governments "Enemies" and virtually all the "independent" Mainstream Media Outlets adopting that view.

Dragoonster said:
Also astonishing is the hypocrisy, doublespeak, and horrible logic used by attackers of Wikileaks.
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That may be no surprise in a 2-party environment. My theory about that behavior is that if the only two parties in power are condemning something, as an American Citizen or Journalist you have no choice to oppose the vast majority of views the two leading parties supposedly represent, so it seems to me... So every third choice may be branded as you being an "Anti-American"-American yourself. :boggled:

Dragoonster said:
So, apparently PayPal has its own judicial system and has already decided on a Guilty verdict. They should let Lieberman etc. know exactly what law Wikileaks broke, and more importantly, what law it broke that the NYT, Der Spiegel, and the long history of intentional "leaks" of secret stuff by the government (and the media that reports them) itself didn't break.
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Exactly, i wonder if Parky or his fellow arguers :rolleyes: will ever come out with a good explanation to that legitimate question...

Oliver said:
Concerning the OP I have a question:

What if the informant who gave the Cable-data to Wikileaks had forwarded the information directly to those media outlets like Spiegel, New York Times, Le Monde, the Guardian etc.?

Would those Media Outlets also be "an enemy to the US" or is it just easy to attack Wikileaks for not being a traditional Media Outlet? ... Given the fact that Spiegel, Guardian and Co. are publishing the sensitive data as well.
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PS13 said:
As an American, I just thought I'd chime in & say that I do NOT consider Julian or Wikileaks any kind of "enemy" of the USA. I think they provide an invaluable service & there are many, many people who share my opinion.
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As a non-American I disagree with your opinion.

Provided that anti-American means: anti-American politics elite.
In this sense wikileaks is heavy 'anti-American'.

But it is decades ago that American politics represented the American population.
Now it is merely a tool for the Zionist power elite for world domination.
Helen thomas would agree with that.
 
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INRM said:
Wikileaks basically as far as I'm concerned is doing what the media in this country should have been doing a long time ago.
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What did you learn from wikileaks that wasn't already reported by the MSM?
 
Evgeny Morozov has cautioned in The Financial Times that the US backlash against WikiLeaks and Julian Assange may have unintended consequences: "WikiLeaks could be transformed from a handful of volunteers to a global movement of politicised geeks clamouring for revenge. Today’s WikiLeaks talks the language of transparency, but it could quickly develop a new code of explicit anti-Americanism, anti-imperialism and anti-globalisation.[...] An aggressive attempt to go after WikiLeaks – by blocking its web access, for instance, or by harassing its members – could install Mr Assange (or whoever succeeds him) at the helm of a powerful new global movement able to paralyse the work of governments and corporations around the world."

Source: Financial Times
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Yep, that may well be the case as a result of stupid government action against freedom of press and speech.
 
WildCat said:
Why are people debating whether or not he's a journalist?

What difference does it make?
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They want to see those diplomatic cables bad. And if they don't get what they want, they'll jack everything up.

They probably think journalists have diplomatic immunity or something. They've also started declaring their American citizenship as cover for their support of Assange. Hyuk-hyuk. Americanism covering anti-Americanism. What will they think of next?

Oh, and now they've begun issuing dire threats of a worldwide geek-rebellion. Gadzooks! Terrorism, nuke-brandishing rogue states, overpopulation, climate change, and now geeks on the rampage!

But our troubles will all be over soon. I'm sure of it. Now more than ever.
 
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